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Is a G8 coupe [or name to be decided] still be on?

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When GM said the Manaro and GTO was canceled was this the whole story?

Holdens new 60 coupe is very much like the GTO concept drawings in Motor trend about 3 years ago. Why would Holden show such a car near production trim if they were not going to produce it. With a G8 front clip a Pontiac coupe would be a simple addition.

Could we be getting a coupe but it may just not be called a GTO?

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I ponder was the GM notice a hold vs a cancelation?

The If GM would release this car next year they could get a 5-8 year run out of it before it could be changed to a Alpha.

Even if Alpha was approved today GM needs something to sell for the next 5 years at the very least.

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Holden apparently developed Monaro/GTO to rolling prototype prior to getting nixed by GMNA. This could just be a modified version of the prototype used for the birthday celebration but still without plans for production. My not-so-secret desire is to see this get the go ahead... Unfortunately, GM excels at managing expectations - it usually ***ps all over them

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Here, let me help y'all, since I've had the full set of sketches for a while now.

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They must have slipped my mind. I think these were leaked to Motor Trend at the time. :AH-HA_wink:

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such a thing would be known as a camaro twin... just a thought...

although maybe different wheel bases, or one comes from canada one from astralia

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Here, let me help y'all, since I've had the full set of sketches for a while now.

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gmtechcenter99474approvuo4.jpg

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They must have slipped my mind. I think these were leaked to Motor Trend at the time. :AH-HA_wink:

Gee there must be an echo in here.

I already stated it was from Motor Trend about three years ago. I did not need to repost all of them to make a point because most here also saw them in Motor Trend too.

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such a thing would be known as a camaro twin... just a thought...

although maybe different wheel bases, or one comes from canada one from astralia

Well same platform but a totally different car that would not direcly compete with the Camaro in Price, Style and over all a different car in a different class.

This is not a rebadged Camaro like the Firebird was with 1 inch lower springs and a different nose like in 1967.

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Borger saved those Motor Trend sketches because he was hoping at the time they were published to eventually be able to purchase one as a Pontiac. Unfortunately since then he has become brainwashed. I think an Intervention is in order. :AH-HA_wink:

Seriously, even though the photos are tiny, you guys can get a better feel for the proposed GTO by checking the photo set at Motor Trend... not renderings, actual photos, taken from a great distance. Spy Stuff.

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Gee there must be an echo in here.

I already stated it was from Motor Trend about three years ago. I did not need to repost all of them to make a point because most here also saw them in Motor Trend too.

I hadn't seen them, so there.

I find those sketches a little too cartoonish...

Agreed. Honestly, justt put the G8 grill on the Coupe 60 and bring it here and I'll be more than happy.

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I hadn't seen them, so there.

Don't be a defender of Pontiac Man or we will be forced to set you adrift on the same iceberg as him. :AH-HA_wink:

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Don't be a defender of Pontiac Man or we will be forced to set you adrift on the same iceberg as him. :AH-HA_wink:

You and what army will be putting me on this iceberg? :scratchchin: As for this car, here are the facts, no business case, no export program, no signoff by CPF, not going to happen. This was built to steal the thunder on Ford's new products at Melbourne's auto show, and to celebrate various anniversaries within Holden, nothing more, nothing less. :blink:

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You and what army will be putting me on this iceberg? :scratchchin: As for this car, here are the facts, no business case, no export program, no signoff by CPF, not going to happen. This was built to steal the thunder on Ford's new products at Melbourne's auto show, and to celebrate various anniversaries within Holden, nothing more, nothing less. :blink:

That is unfortunate.

If I was a dedicated auto analyst I'd have access to stats that could prove just how poorly GM has come to understand the car market in the US. Within the state of California, we must represent, IDK 15-20% of the total sales of the country. I see more new cars here daily then some people see yearly.

there is an insatiable demand for cars with class, cars that look and feel expensive. market perception is the biggest issue here. If your Ipod isn't the coolest, newest Ipod, then you're SOL in the game of life. Essentially the shallowest of perceptions are the biggest here; evidently we live to impress upon one another our status. And if your car isn't cool and doesn't look good, then you are on the wrong side of the fence in the game of life. Los Angeles in particular is its own country, in terms of trends, in terms of general lifestyles, etc.

In general, GM sells cars that are value leaders. They sell cars that are cheap, look cheap, and feel cheap. They are not highly regarded, and the people at the top of the food chain, don't care one lick about them, nor that they're American, nor that they're struggling to survive. People don't want their car to scream value leader. And they want thier car to be percieved as rich...not as rental car, cheap, tacky....uncouth.

This car is nothing like that. The great thing is the American market is fickle and will look to any brand as a success story, as long as they can show they have it in them. Right now I am witnessing a proliferation again of the Audi brand. Infiniti is having great success with the G35/G37 despite not having another successful model except for the fashionable FX. Toyota has had a resurgance with the undeniably dignified/classy and substantial looking Camry. Ford has an Edge that is gaining popularity [while getting beaten up in every market except with the Mustang].

You get it. This is a cyclical business. And everyone's tastes/needs are different. Pontiac can release a car like this and gain real attention that everyone will laud. GTO was a failure because it's exterior failed to be fresh, excite, or scream anything except an audible, guttaral "whoop" that people walked on by as something that had already been said in the past.

This will be another chance GM had to improve thier image that is still in the gutter because of a lack of cars that speak to the market. If they don't release this car, they are passing on a chance to greatly improve thier standing in the world.

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im not going off on a rant, im not gonna get all fanatical.. but this is bull$h!... because the cars i want are being dangled in my face and this blows.. this car could be built easily, so why the hell not? ive said it before and ill say again.. f@#k new cars, im stcking with the old....

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You and what army will be putting me on this iceberg? :scratchchin: As for this car, here are the facts, no business case, no export program, no signoff by CPF, not going to happen. This was built to steal the thunder on Ford's new products at Melbourne's auto show, and to celebrate various anniversaries within Holden, nothing more, nothing less. :blink:

All of that is true.. to a point. I wouldn't write off getting the Coupe60 produced just yet. The last Monaro started life exactly the same way as did the soon-to-be-released Camaro - design studies/show cars. Huge public reaction motivated the decision to build.

Coupe60 has elicited a phenomenal reaction here - enormous crowds and palpable excitement around the stand (and not just the Holden fans). Like the last Monaro, this is a car that transcends brand loyalty. Punters are alreading trying to place deposits at Holden dealers.

The decision may be forced on Holden due to capacity issues but I doubt they couldn't make a business case - the advantage of zeta architecture is the flexibility inherent in it's design that permits multiple configurations with minimal investment. It's a cheaper car to modify than even the previous platform - and that was made into many versions (sedan, coupe, 2dr ute, 4dr ute, 4wd, lwb, suv).

Holden's been sitting on this car for some time - since the Monaro/GTO project got canned a few years back, and they've been waiting for the chance to show it off. I bet the plan is to use the huge public response Holden knew would come in order to support the business case - Holden wants to build this car.

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All of that is true.. to a point. I wouldn't write off getting the Coupe60 produced just yet. The last Monaro started life exactly the same way as did the soon-to-be-released Camaro - design studies/show cars. Huge public reaction motivated the decision to build.

Coupe60 has elicited a phenomenal reaction here - enormous crowds and palpable excitement around the stand (and not just the Holden fans). Like the last Monaro, this is a car that transcends brand loyalty. Punters are alreading trying to place deposits at Holden dealers.

The decision may be forced on Holden due to capacity issues but I doubt they couldn't make a business case - the advantage of zeta architecture is the flexibility inherent in it's design that permits multiple configurations with minimal investment. It's a cheaper car to modify than even the previous platform - and that was made into many versions (sedan, coupe, 2dr ute, 4dr ute, 4wd, lwb, suv).

Holden's been sitting on this car for some time - since the Monaro/GTO project got canned a few years back, and they've been waiting for the chance to show it off. I bet the plan is to use the huge public response Holden knew would come in order to support the business case - Holden wants to build this car.

CPF will say no, because of CAFE, CO2, and build constraints within Elizabeth itself. And you know as well as I do GM will not build another plant in Australia, or the UAW will go to war and GM can't afford to take back the Health care cost.

Like your said this 2 door is old, but zeta itself is old if you go all the way back to when Mike Simcoe 1st started it, late 90's.

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CPF will say no, because of CAFE, CO2, and build constraints within Elizabeth itself. And you know as well as I do GM will not build another plant in Australia, or the UAW will go to war and GM can't afford to take back the Health care cost.

Like your said this 2 door is old, but zeta itself is old if you go all the way back to when Mike Simcoe 1st started it, late 90's.

Age of the architecture has little to do with it. Your beloved Sigma (co-developed by Holden) is even older, what's your point?

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Age of the architecture has little to do with it. Your beloved Sigma (co-developed by Holden) is even older, what's your point?

Sigma is not beloved by me, and you know as well as I do that Simcoe's contribution to Sigma was very small one, almost not worth mentioning. Now I do like Sigma II a bit more and the 2008 Cadillac CTS. However, these days I'm in love with Epsilon II, especially when it comes to Saab, I see a Saab 9 3, or 9 5 in my future or if I'm still in Europe an Opel Insignia, in 2010 or so. Starting next month my company car will be a Holden, we'll see how she holds up as the Börger drives her up and down the Autobahn. :AH-HA_wink:

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CPF will say no, because of CAFE, CO2, and build constraints within Elizabeth itself. And you know as well as I do GM will not build another plant in Australia, or the UAW will go to war and GM can't afford to take back the Health care cost.

Like your said this 2 door is old, but zeta itself is old if you go all the way back to when Mike Simcoe 1st started it, late 90's.

I wouldn't call Zeta old, esp. compared to your beloved W-body..

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I wouldn't call Zeta old, esp. compared to your beloved W-body..

My, my! How does the truth hurt for Borger! :smilewide:

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