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What should I do? I found a car, but it might not be for sale...

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My parents bought a brand new 1983 Pontiac Grand Prix LJ new; I was 8 y-o at the time. I essentially grew up with this car, and learned how to drive on it. May of 1993 my mom traded it in and it was gone forever (I did see it on two separate occasions in 1994). Ever since then, I've had a special place in my heart for these unloved GPs, and vowed one day to own one (even though it was never really mine, I treated it like it was my own before I bought my first car, a '78 Camaro LT, in 1992). Over the years I'd spot one for sale or just sitting alone, but all have needed work. Last Sunday I was out cruising around looking at dealer inventories and I spotted this:

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I've seen this car before, in the same spot, but never really "noticed" it (I wasn't looking for this at the time). There's a very SMALL Pontiac-Cadillac dealer in Burlington County (NJ) that stores 75% of his inventory (about 5 new cars) inside of the garage on weekends. While peeking in to see if they had a G8, I spotted the '84-'87 GP LE pictured above. There was also a 6000LE and an '80s El Camino in there too, none of which look like they have been driven or moved in a LONG time. They all are wearing dealer's tags, but again, they don't look like they've been moved as the amount of dust covering them is apparent looking through the window.

So my question is, should I contact the dealership and ask about the status of this car? The reason I've been hesitating is that I found it by looking through their garage window on a day the dealership was closed - it's not like it was parked outside - so would they think I want to break in? Would they take me seriously? Even if they said it was for sale, I only have a small amount available ($1k), so I'm guessing I wouldn't have enough to buy it. But should I try anyway? And if you say yes, how should I word it?

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If it belongs to the dealership, it's for sale. Everythings for sale, but as clean as the car looks in the pictures, $1k won't be enough. The car is worth more than that, plus at a dealer you're gonna pay more than if it belonged to an individual. Maybe it belongs to one of the employees. One of our techs has tons of cars stored on our lot, and all of his are for sale. Can you see the car during the day when they are open? Just tell them you saw it and would like to know if it's for sale, no big deal, but the money could be an issue. If you show an interest, then they'll know there are still people willing to put forth an effort for the car so the next day it could be out on point with a price on it. You need to be ready with more money.

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well, my best friend recently bought an 84 Monte SC with EVERY option besides T-Tops, gorgeous condition for 1K... so you never know

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I would if I were you, dealerships know people window shop when they are closed. Tell them you were window shopping, which isn't a lie now is it? :smilewide:

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Well, I just sent the dealership owner an e-mail; hopefully I get good news back soon. If it is for sale, and the price is negotiable, I'll tell them they can keep the Thule aftermarket carrier to knock off some $$$ :lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the input so far. Anyone know of a good site to check out GPs of this vintage? I'd like to know options, features, etc. for this generation.

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Well, I just sent the dealership owner an e-mail; hopefully I get good news back soon. If it is for sale, and the price is negotiable, I'll tell them they can keep the Thule aftermarket carrier to knock off some $$$ :lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the input so far. Anyone know of a good site to check out GPs of this vintage? I'd like to know options, features, etc. for this generation.

Might Wanna Ask Cort, those are essentially Monte Carlos...

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What I'd like to know is what kind of turd mounts a bike rack on the roof of a car like that? I'd use that as a HUGE negotiating point if I were you.

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Well, I just sent the dealership owner an e-mail; hopefully I get good news back soon. If it is for sale, and the price is negotiable, I'll tell them they can keep the Thule aftermarket carrier to knock off some $$$ :lol::lol::lol:

Thanks for the input so far. Anyone know of a good site to check out GPs of this vintage? I'd like to know options, features, etc. for this generation.

I'm still on my quest for a 1968 Pontiac Grand Prix!

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That's a pretty car, hopefully it's 301/305/307-powered. Reminds me of my '81, except mine was silver/black landau/red vinyl buckets. Good luck with your inquiry.
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>>"I'm still on my quest for a 1968 Pontiac Grand Prix!"<<

Ooo, now you're in my neighborhood. Need a 428 car or is 350 HP enough for you? I like the '68s, but they sure are good at hiding- I never see them.

As a possible aside, I know of a real nice '70 wagon that may be available to tide you over.....

GMTG- I think I have most all of the '80s Pontiac brochures handy, let me know if you get it & need info...

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That's a pretty car, hopefully it's 301/305/307-powered. Reminds me of my '81, except mine was silver/black landau/red vinyl buckets. Good luck with your inquiry.

My mom's '83 GP LJ was maroon with a maroon landau and a dark red velour cloth interior/buckets. I remember vividly many trips taken in that car... it truly was the car of my childhood (while many of my friends parents had the all-new minivan, my dad refused to buy anything than a two-door coupe). As for my dad, he was okay with "basic transportation" and the cheaper, the better. He'd buy old '70s Dusters and Ford Mavericks - whatever worked well and that he could pay in cash on the cheap. Anywhere we went as a family, we took the GP.

Did a little "Googling" today and found through my research that this is likely an '86 or '87 GP due to the fact that it has a third brake light and this was done starting in the '86 model year. I'm going to venture a guess that it is also equipped with a V8, as it has <aftermarket, I'm assuming> dual exhaust outlets with chrome tips - I don't think a V6 owner would go that length <shrug>. I like this car a lot, but other than for sentimental reasons, it's not a "must have" for me. If it works out, then great; if not, then I'll move on. It sure looks like a really clean 20-something year old car though.

Now if money were not an object right now, I found an original condition, red with black interior, 57k mile '97 WS6 Ram Air Trans Am T-top Coupe for sale - the ultimate TA for me. Back in late 1996, I stalked my then local B-P-G dealer (back where I grew up) because they had two awesome '97 WS6 Ram Air Coupes for sale - one black and one red <I wanted the red one> - fully loaded cars too. The wife and I just started our relationship and she thought I was wierd for stopping by to see them on an almost daily basis (I passed the dealership on the way to her house). The black one sold first, in late winter, and the red one went during the late summer. I really played the NJ Lottery weekly to try to get the cash to buy one (I was in my senior year of college in '97, so there was no way I could afford one then). Anyway, the one I found is listing for $12,995 and I've been trying to convince the wife all weekend that the T/A is a liveable daily driver for me and that it would be cool to drive around - all 4 of us - with the t-tops off. So far she's not buying :lol:

I'll be waiting patiently tomorrow to see if the dealership responds to my e-mail about the GP.

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>>"I'm still on my quest for a 1968 Pontiac Grand Prix!"<<

Ooo, now you're in my neighborhood. Need a 428 car or is 350 HP enough for you? I like the '68s, but they sure are good at hiding- I never see them.

As a possible aside, I know of a real nice '70 wagon that may be available to tide you over.....

GMTG- I think I have most all of the '80s Pontiac brochures handy, let me know if you get it & need info...

Well balt, here is my issue, I don't care what engine it has in it, however Mrs. PCS demands, auto trans so she can tool around town. I have tried over and over again teach her to shift gears, but she doesn't get it, she even has trouble using my paddle shifter on my Grand Prix GXP. If you find or see a 68 Grand Prix, let me know, I am seriously looking for one. Do you have a pic of the 70 wagon, and what condition it is in, and possibly a price? Let me know.

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Well balt, here is my issue, I don't care what engine it has in it, however Mrs. PCS demands, auto trans so she can tool around town. I have tried over and over again teach her to shift gears, but she doesn't get it, she even has trouble using my paddle shifter on my Grand Prix GXP. If you find or see a 68 Grand Prix, let me know, I am seriously looking for one. Do you have a pic of the 70 wagon, and what condition it is in, and possibly a price? Let me know.

That is exactly what my wife told me...gotta be an auto trans... just in case.....

That is a good looking GP....I have a soft spot for quite a few old Pontiacs... :yes:

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If you find or see a 68 Grand Prix, let me know, I am seriously looking for one.

'68 GP production: 31,711. Of that, GPs with manual trans: 306. Manual take rate was way down vs. earlier years- it's not going to be a concern.

I struggle to recall ever seeing a '68- maybe 1 at a Pontiac show- they're nowhere and this evaluation is going way back.

Here's a sweetie, tho, and in that classic late '60s Verdoro Greeeen:

http://ww2.collectorcartrader.com/details.php?adId=90282813

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Might Wanna Ask Cort, those are essentially Monte Carlos...

*chuckles*

He did ask ... and, sadly, I don't know that I was of much help.

As I mentioned to ya, GMTruckGuy, sometimes people will post Pontiac stuff on ChevyTalk.org, but that isn't all that consistant. Another place, that I just thought of, is montecarloss.com. Yes, it's main car is the 4th gen MCSSs, but I believe some of the guys there also have Pontiac GPs of the same vintage. And, as vonV noted, they are essentially MCs. I would suspect that SOME (not all) of the tech info on MCSS would be applicable, too.

Hmm...have you looked at Pontiac.com? I know chevy.com has a link to clubs relative to the various models ... I don't know if Pontiac has a similar links page or not. You might try it, just in case....

Sorry I wasn't more helpful this time around :(.

BTW, from the pics, looks like it is in great shape ... but, sometimes, looks can be deceiving....

GOOD LUCK with this ... and be sure to let us know what the dealership responds to you.

Cort:34swm."Mr Monte Carlo.Mr Road Trip".pig valve&pacemaker

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'68 GP production: 31,711. Of that, GPs with manual trans: 306. Manual take rate was way down vs. earlier years- it's not going to be a concern.

I struggle to recall ever seeing a '68- maybe 1 at a Pontiac show- they're nowhere and this evaluation is going way back.

Here's a sweetie, tho, and in that classic late '60s Verdoro Greeeen:

http://ww2.collectorcartrader.com/details.php?adId=90282813

90282813_2.jpg

That is a good looking car.....

I just hope most of these cars have good homes....if I see one with 20s, I'm going to cry....

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Saw one of those big GPs at a car show last year - I'll keep my eyes open, PCS.

I've been eyeballing a silver MCSS ('87/'88) for a few days now. It's in pretty good original condition with a very nice interior. No price on it, but it is for sale.

GMTG: nothing ventured...

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...nothing gained. Literally. The dealer e-mailed me back to say that the 1987 GP is not for sale and to thank me for my request. Oh well, at least I found out rather than always wondering.

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...nothing gained. Literally. The dealer e-mailed me back to say that the 1987 GP is not for sale and to thank me for my request. Oh well, at least I found out rather than always wondering.

What else was in there?

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What else was in there?

NEW: (1) Caddy CTS, (2) G6 sedans, (1) G6 GT Coupe

OLD: '80s Pontiac 6000LE, '87 Pontiac Grand Prix LE, '70s/'80s Chevy El Camino, and one other car I can't recall

Hey, at least I found out rather than still sitting here wondering. Atleast they have my name & contact info should it ever become available in teh future :AH-HA_wink:

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