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The Next Ion/Astra

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Looks good, if a bit too rounded in the back for my tastes. I hope they have a sedan version...wish the original Ion replacement hadn't be canceled.

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GM needs to bring these vehicles to these shores FAST. Opels have been hot for a long time. They will sell very well in Canada where gasoline is almost $5 a gallon now.

Under the be-careful-what-you-wish-for department: should Saturn actually get these vehicles without being watered down, it will slaughter Chevrolet up here in the hinterland. I hope GM realizes that, too.

Whereas Chevrolet is a power house in the States, the Montana routinely outsold the Venture here and the Sierra outsold the Silverado last year - something that would be unheard of south of the border.

If the Opel product goes up against the GM-DAT product, the Chevy dealers will get killed in the crossfire. Pontiac already has the Aveo (Wave) and the Pursuit (Cobalt) on the small car front. With the cool Opel product going over to Saturn, I predict it will be a blood bath for Chevrolet in Canada, especially in the larger markets (Vancouver and Toronto.)

Just thought I would point that out.

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Is this on Delta 2?

If it is when is Delta 2 coming out?

The Saturn Astra will hit the new Jetta hard.

Edited by carman21

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Damn that is awesome.

There will be one problem if this becomes a Saturn: Saturn will have a $15k car that looks better than there own $22k car.

That's pretty hot.

Unfortunately, I have this sinking feeling the next ION will really be the GM do Brazil Vectra...

It's possible that we will get the Brazilian Astra, but we will still get this.

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Nice chops, probably referring to an update of the current Astra.

At least it doesn't look like an angry pig like some chops of how the next Golf will look like...

Edited by ZL-1

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I like the current version better which is not to say this revision looks bad. Just that too many other cars have the scalloped headlight and clear backlight look.

What's with the thing on the roof? T-top? Maxima mohawk style sunroof?

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I like the current version better which is not to say this revision looks bad. Just that too many other cars have the scalloped headlight and clear backlight look.

What's with the thing on the roof? T-top? Maxima mohawk style sunroof?

It makes it fly :P

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Is this on Delta 2?

If it is when is Delta 2 coming out?

The Saturn Astra will hit the new Jetta hard.

There is no Delta 2. Except for the Ion, Cobalt and HHR nothing else even uses Delta. Opel is developing a new Global Compact Car architecture, probably adapting elements from the Astra and Global Midsize architectures. This should not be confused with the Global Small Car architecture being developed by GM Daewoo.

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Seen these CGI's on AutoScoops-they look boring to me, little groundbreaking whatsoever. Isn't the Daewoo Global Small Car architecture for cars like Opel/Vauxhall Agila and Chevrolet Spark? Or is that the Aveo/Corsa architecture?

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There is no Delta 2. Except for the Ion, Cobalt and HHR nothing else even uses Delta. Opel is developing a new Global Compact Car architecture, probably adapting elements from the Astra and Global Midsize architectures. This should not be confused with the Global Small Car architecture being developed by GM Daewoo.

So the Daewoo small car is sub-compact or smaller than the Global compact that Opel is developing?

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Why add a new platform (which is essentially what shortening the Epsilon, which I don't think is possible, will do) when you have the delta platform doing its job well?

Astra uses a modified delta platform and was the basis for the current generation of GMNA compact vehicles(ION, cobalt, pursuit, HHR)

A newer version of the delta platform will arrive when the next Astra hits the market

The rumors of delta(and epsilon II) offering AWD have been thrown around in a few of the auto magazines in the past few months.

I would welcome that. It would allow GM to compete in more compact segments

Edited by Cadillacfan

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Surely Europeans wouldn't mind the new design including a quad coupe? Please?

The mohawk is odd - does it serve a function?

How educated are these renderings? Are they just the dreams of a magazine, or based on... anything?

AWD would be sweet... make a Saturn Astra Red Line to compete with... the WRX? Running with the WRX ought to make the competition go "WHHAAAA?" :D

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Why add a new platform (which is essentially what shortening the Epsilon, which I don't think is possible, will do) when you have the delta platform doing its job well?

9-3 and current Malibu's are SWB EP 1s.

Astra uses a modified delta platform and was the basis for the current generation of GMNA compact vehicles(ION, cobalt, pursuit, HHR)

I am pretty sure the Euro Astra is on the updated old Astra, T body I think, rather than Delta.

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9-3 and current Malibu's are SWB EP 1s.

I am pretty sure the Euro Astra is on the updated old Astra, T body I think, rather than Delta.

I was responding to the poster who suggested shortening the Epsilon platform to fit compact requirements. The epsilon 1 SWB is considered midsize.

I stated that shortening it even more would be a waste of time and money when the Delta platform would perform the same exact function.

The Astra is updated from the older model but is technically considered Delta because of it being the basis for the North American Delta platform.

It may not be called Delta.. but it really is in a lot of ways.

Edited by Cadillacfan

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This must be real if its on the main page! And I hope that there is a sedan!

There currently isn't a sedan, which makes quite a quandry for entry in the USA, where hatchbacks don't sell well. It will be interesting if GM spends the extra money to design a sedan version.

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There currently isn't a sedan, which makes quite a quandry for entry in the USA, where hatchbacks don't sell well. It will be interesting if GM spends the extra money to design a  sedan version.

True, but that trend may be changing, as the Caliber seems to be selling very well.

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