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Camaro Engine Lineup Speculation...

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Okay, so here's what I'm saying...

For the base model V6:

3.6L DOHC with VVT & DI

Why? It's perfect. It'll be production-ready by 2008, it'll make enough power to annihilate Ford's most potent V6 up to date (3.6L @ 265 HP/250 TQ), and will offer good enough MPG/emissions to make even Honda buyers go American.

For the smaller V8:

I don't really know. I'd like to think a more up-to-date 5.3L than the current one with a bit more power, but I really have no idea. Ideas from you guys?

For the larger V8:

6.2L LS3 with VVT/AFM

I'd definitely say a 6.2-6.3L LS3 (whatever amount of liters it will be) making around 425-450 HP is very possible. Especially with how great of fuel economy (est. 30+ MPG) is expected for that much power out of that particular engine.

For an exclusive, low-production V8:

Supercharged and Intercooled LS3

This would be like a ZL1 Camaro in a very low production number and wouldn't need great MPG, but it will still have pretty good MPG even with the blower on there. I'd estimate this being around 500-550 HP depending on the power the NA LS3 puts out.

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I don't think the 3.6L w/DI will be standard. I think that will be a relatively expensive upgrade when it's new (until the cost is paid off) but I could be wrong.

The 3.9L will be just fine for the base engine. Secretaries don't need 300HP anyways. 240-250HP will be plenty for them.

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Realistically, I'm thinking:

3.9L VVT

3.6L with DI/VVT (based on info at CZ28, there might not be a 5.3L V8)

6.2L LS3

6.2L LS3 with S/C (low volume ZL-1)

However I'd like to see NOS's lineup.

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So is the era of Corvette being the most powerful GM car over?

Speaking of the 5.3L, probably won't work, because the LS4 is just a special version adapted for FWD. You wouldn't want a FWD Camaro, do you?

Edited by ToniCipriani

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Im guessing a version of the 3.9L V6 will be the standard engine, with 240 hp this will be more than enough.. I just dont see the 3.6L Dohc engine being used in Chevys anytime soon.. a 5.3L V8 will power midlevel cars and will make around 320 hp. the top camaro will have a 6.0L or a 6.2L V8 worth 385 hp..

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So is the era of Corvette being the most powerful GM car over?

Speaking of the 5.3L, probably won't work, because the LS4 is just a special version adapted for FWD. You wouldn't want a FWD Camaro, do you?

The 5.3L has been in the full size trucks since the intro of the GMT-800s. Corvette will always be on top, the Blue Devil will make sure of that.

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So is the era of Corvette being the most powerful GM car over?

Corvette will always have its own exclusivity and level of refinement above and beyond any other Chevy.

This won't be the first time Corvette's been in a HP "race" with the Camaro, however. They've shared the same engines and performance numbers many a time, but the Corvette will always have the slightly better suspension to put those numbers down, along with a little less weight with two less seats.

Oh, and like somebody else said, the Blue Devil or Corvette SS will always be a step above the Camaro in HP.

Edited by NOS2006

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I rather not see Chevy resort to forced induction, I like that it's always been (at least that I know) all engine. Plus, I make fun of cobras for needing a supercharger.

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I would guess (3.9L 240HP V6 base)--(5.3L 320HP V8 opt RS)--(6.0L 400+HP V8 SS).---------I would HOPE FOR (3.9L 3VPC 270HP base)--(5.3L 350HP V8 opt RS)--(6.0L 450+HP Z28)--(7.0L 525HP V8 SS)!

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I would guess (3.9L 240HP V6 base)--(5.3L 320HP V8 opt RS)--(6.0L 400+HP V8 SS).---------I would HOPE FOR (3.9L 3VPC 270HP base)--(5.3L 350HP V8 opt RS)--(6.0L 450+HP Z28)--(7.0L 525HP V8 SS)!

Psst.. the 7.0L LS7 shouldn't be around too much longer with stronger, more (or just as) powerful engines coming out.

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Im guessing a version of the 3.9L V6 will be the standard engine, with 240 hp this will be more than enough.. I just dont see the 3.6L Dohc engine being used in Chevys anytime soon..  a 5.3L V8 will power midlevel cars and will make around 320 hp. the top camaro will have a 6.0L or a 6.2L V8 worth 385 hp..

240 more than enough? Not with the speculated weight, which is HEAVY.

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240 more than enough? Not with the speculated weight, which is HEAVY.

No, 240HP is plenty for secretaries and others (READ: women). For anyone who wants a high-power V6, GM will have the 300HP 3.6L available at extra cost. However, for those who could care less if it's screaming fast for a V6 and only care that it can keep itself from being run over in traffic, 240HP is fine and the 3.9 will allow for a lower entry point than the 3.6 would, while offering the 3.6 at extra cost.

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w/ current engines have to be the 3.9L 5.3L and the 6.0L

since we know that's not the case... i'll speculate with keeping the 3.9L w/ afm and "tuning" to put out closer to 260hp while getting maybe 32mpg highway.

5.3L (~330hp) would be great for an RS model while also getting 30+ mpg.

"ls3" (~420hp) and a "corvette ls3" w/ 450hp

3 engines is almost if the HP gap is bigger than the '02's gap from the v6 to the v8 which was.... 125hp if i remember correctly

edit : grammar in last statement

Edited by loki

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i'll speculate with keeping the 3.9L w/ afm and "tuning" to put out closer to 260hp while getting maybe 32mpg highway.

Well, if the 3.9L currently gets 21/31 MPG and you add AFM or VVT, you'll get a bit better than only 1 extra MPG highway or else GM wouldn't have wasted their time developing the VVT on this engine. I know you said tuning, but with the right tune, one won't lose much MPG, if any.

Oh, and if the 400+ HP V8 going into the Camaro gets 30+ MPG highway, I'm sure the V6 will get a bit better mileage or else it's pointless to buy the V6 other than because of insurance..

Edited by NOS2006

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Well, if the 3.9L currently gets 21/31 MPG and you add AFM or VVT, you'll get a bit better than only 1 extra MPG highway or else GM wouldn't have wasted their time developing the VVT on this engine. I know you said tuning, but with the right tune, one won't lose much MPG, if any.

that 21/31 figure, where'd you get that? w/ afm on the impala "preliminary testing of the 2007 Chevy Impala equipped with the 3.9L V-6 with AFM indicates an estimated 20 mpg in the city and 29 mpg on the highway – improvements of approximately 5.5 percent and 7.5 percent, respectively."- from the "gm news-afm impala"

not saying it couldn't be done, but a 6 speed may get it closer to 21/32, and have room for those higher HP/trq #s ?

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I would almost expect the 3900, if it were used in the Camaro, to have a higher output than it currently does. Turning the engine counter-clockwise 90* for a longitudinal RWD layout makes for a less restrictive exhaust system (which would be a given in a Camaro, anyway) that could be good for another 10-15hp.

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checked chevy.com M.C. LTZ is ~220lbs lighter than the ltz impala

Monte Carlo LTZ 3,501/1,588 20/28mpg

Impala LTZ 3,729/1,691 19/27mpg

so if the camaro is closer to th MC's weight it could rate a 21/30mpg w/ afm, add the +'s of a 6 speed, maybe closer to 23/ 32?

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If a Camaro (or any Chevy for that matter) ever wears the ZL1

emblem again it better damn well be LS7 powered. That's the

very definition of ZL1. 427 cubich inches, all aluminum motor &

no nonsense pushrod design.

I'd love to see a "value-package" base V8 with none of the toys,

power options and such, a modern day Road Runner of sorts.

The 5.3 would be great but the 4.8 would be fine too.

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Guys the 3.9 ain't going in. Notice what will be using the HF V6s in the future: all Thetas, Epsilons, TE crossovers, Holden's VE cars, Sigmas, and definately the Buick Zetas.

Given that the Buick Zetas, Sigmas, and Holden's VEs will share may parts of each other do you really think GM is going to certify a hole different V6 for the Chevy & possibly Pontiac versions only?

My guess is

Non DI 3.6 Base

DI 3.6 Midlevel

6.0 base V8

6.2/6.3 Corvette based V8 top motor

6 speed autos standard with 6 speed sticks as no cost options (maybe even the auto based sticks).

Trim levels will be SS midlevel (base V8) and Z/28 top model in limited numbers and high price tags.

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that 21/31 figure, where'd you get that?  w/ afm on the impala "preliminary testing of the 2007 Chevy Impala equipped with the 3.9L V-6 with AFM indicates an estimated 20 mpg in the city and 29 mpg on the highway – improvements of approximately 5.5 percent and 7.5 percent, respectively."- from the "gm news-afm impala"

not saying it couldn't be done, but a 6 speed may get it closer to 21/32, and have room for those higher HP/trq #s    ?

I found it off a 2006 Monte Carlo. I don't think they have the VVT working yet, do they? :huh:

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I found it off a 2006 Monte Carlo. I don't think they have the VVT working yet, do they? :huh:

yeah, and it's in all the new 3.5Ls too that mileage was on a 3.5L (211hp iirc and yes vvt)

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Guys the 3.9 ain't going in.  Notice what will be using the HF V6s in the future:  all Thetas, Epsilons, TE crossovers, Holden's VE cars, Sigmas, and definately the Buick Zetas.

Given that the Buick Zetas, Sigmas, and Holden's VEs will share may parts of each other do you really think GM is going to certify a hole different V6 for the Chevy & possibly Pontiac versions only?

My guess is

Non DI 3.6 Base

DI 3.6 Midlevel

6.0 base V8

6.2/6.3 Corvette based V8 top motor

6 speed autos standard with 6 speed sticks as no cost options (maybe even the auto based sticks).

Trim levels will be SS midlevel (base V8) and Z/28 top model in limited numbers and high price tags.

If not the 3.9 then I would agree the 3.6L without DI would go in as the base engine, and going by what you said about certification the 3.6 sounds like it will be the base engine.

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6 speed autos standard with 6 speed sticks as no cost options (maybe even the auto based sticks).

Please god NO!!!

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