Detroit 2019: 2020 Cadillac XT6: Comments

[Cmicasa the Great]

I've been looking at live pic instead of the CGI bull$h! GM always does.. I'm actually of the opinion that this vehicle actually looks better, even in proportions, than the RWD based Aviator. In fact.. if U told me to choose which one was FWD and which RWD.. I'd say the Caddy was RWD.

 I know I know.. we are instantly set on default to hate anything GM does seem to be a vehicle that will do very well in terms of sales. Still disappointed that they did not thrown out an LF3 with this as a VSport right out the gate, but if we are talking design.. its actually quite handsome.. and the interior is still luxo as it is in the XT5

 

[Cmicasa the Great]

4 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Nah I was just saying it is not good enough to be what a Cadillac SHOULD be.  And I think the Lincoln Aviator is a much nicer vehicle, spec wise and looks wise, because I have nothing else to go on.

Spec wise.. Yes. The Aviator definitely has a better drivetrain line-up.. I mean who can argue with 400hp/400lbs torque or 450hp/600lbs  torque? The crazy thing that still boggles my mind is that Cadillac has access to the LF3 from the XTS-VSport, which would beat the Lincoln's first engine.. and the Black Wing, in either tune, to beat the hybrid driveline.

[smk4565]

58 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

OH!!! I see your issue.. U hate change. The Wreath is dead.. for like half a decade. Sales have been up globally and has attracted a younger demo. 

The crest will he dead too in another half decade at this rate!  Hey-ooooh! 

[balthazar]

All these things were said for the most part about the XT5.
2018 YTD thru October ~
Jag f-pace : $44K - 9770 sold
A-R setvio : $40K - 9946 sold
volvo XC60 : $40K - 26075 sold
BMW X-3 : $41k - 47389 sold
acura RDX : $43K - 50791 sold
Cadillac XT5 : $42K - 51570 sold
audi Q5 : $43K - 55946 sold
MB GLC : $40K - 56236 sold
lexus RX : $43K - 88166 sold
 

[Cmicasa the Great]

8 minutes ago, balthazar said:

All these things were said for the most part about the XT5.
2018 YTD thru October ~
Jag f-pace : $44K - 9770 sold
A-R setvio : $40K - 9946 sold
volvo XC60 : $40K - 26075 sold
BMW X-3 : $41k - 47389 sold
acura RDX : $43K - 50791 sold
Cadillac XT5 : $42K - 51570 sold
audi Q5 : $43K - 55946 sold
MB GLC : $40K - 56236 sold
lexus RX : $43K - 88166 sold
 

and Cadillac could've sold more if they had of just advertised the vehicle and, offered a VSport trim with a more powerful engine. As I've stated before.. it really is a damn nice place to be 

[balthazar]

^ Nahhhh, yer wrong; it's boring, it sucks, its uncompetitive, everything else is better, the rear is bland, the plastics are bad, the tech is behind, the power is low, the drive wheels are front, the speakers suck, the leather is thin, the engine is shared, the brand is damaged, it's not a BMW, it's not a MB, it's not a alfa-romeo, it's not a volvo, it's not an acura, it's not a jagooooo-ar, it's not an audi, I like audi's, audi's are great, audi's are greater than cadillacs, government motors.

[Cmicasa the Great]

4 minutes ago, balthazar said:

^ Nahhhh, yer wrong; it's boring, it sucks, its uncompetitive, everything else is better, the rear is bland, the plastics are bad, the tech is behind, the power is low, the drive wheels are front, the speakers suck, the leather is thin, the engine is shared, the brand is damaged, it's not a BMW, it's not a MB, it's not a alfa-romeo, it's not a volvo, it's not an acura, it's not a jagooooo-ar, it's not an audi, I like audi's, audi's are great, audi's are greater than cadillacs, government motors.

Lol.. I see the frustration. U know that. My only issue with the XT6, and 5.. and 4.. for that matter is that they simply need a bigger engine (more powerful). Cadillac can keep it simple and non-complicated. 

[ocnblu]

I would go with the Aviator if I had the money for either.  But I don't.  The Cadillac elicits no emotion, it is cold, like an electric future.

[A Horse With No Name]

2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

I would go with the Aviator if I had the money for either.  But I don't.  The Cadillac elicits no emotion, it is cold, like an electric future.

 

There is this when it comes to electrics. 

[ccap41]

This is nice and disappointing.. Same lame V6 rated the same as their chevy counterpart and no showing off of their tech with Super Cruise. 

[Cmicasa the Great]

24 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

This is nice and disappointing.. Same lame V6 rated the same as their chevy counterpart and no showing off of their tech with Super Cruise. 

Super Cruise I have no doubt will be showing up so I have no issue with that. GM would be a fool to introduce a system this complicated on a mass selling CUV from git without a lil more actual driver/consumer time behind the CT6 with it. I think that their approach is more responsible than Tesla's ever was. 

To the engine.. YES.. my only issue. If they are going to use it, OK.. I get it.. but at least have a secondary more powerful engine. This will most likely get the same times as the GMC Acadia Denali .. so about 0-60 in 6.1-6.2

 

Edited January 14, 2019 by Cmicasa the Great

[ccap41]

15 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I doubt most people that lease such CUV appliances are even aware of what is under the hood or which wheels drive it.  They aren’t car enthusiasts.  So GM’s LCD approach should suffice in this niche.  

You don't need to be an enthusiast to test drive two vehicles and one has torque and one doesn't.

[ccap41]

25 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Super Cruise I have no doubt will be showing up so I have no issue with that. GM would be a fool to introduce a system this complicated on a mass selling CUV from git without a lil more actual driver/consumer time behind the CT6 with it. I think that their approach is more responsible than Tesla's ever was. 

To the engine.. YES.. my only issue. If they are going to use it, OK.. I get it.. but at least have a secondary more powerful engine. This will most likely get the same times as the GMC Acadia Denali .. so about 0-60 in 6.1-6.2

 

It's going to be tough to get more test miles in when they're canceling it.. 

Yeah, a base 3.6 would be fine but something more powerful as an option, with all the GM's available engines, should have been an obvious decision. 

[David]

 

So I was very right in my comment on the Cadillac Instagram thread that this looks like a rebadge of the Chevrolet Blazer.

This is clearly a stop gap measure as the real focus is on the Electric versions of CUVs.

[frogger]

6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

 

So I was very right in my comment on the Cadillac Instagram thread that this looks like a rebadge of the Chevrolet Blazer.

 

More like the Acadia with the third row.

 

[riviera74]

Am I the only one who wonders why the 3.6L V6 has so little torque compared to the 3800 and 3900 v6?

[David]

4 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Am I the only one who wonders why the 3.6L V6 has so little torque compared to the 3800 and 3900 v6?

Damn DOHC crap engines focused on producing HP but no real torque to move them. Not a fan of these types of motors. Looking forward to the EV versions of Cadillac. This motor makes me 😴

[Cmicasa the Great]

59 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It's going to be tough to get more test miles in when they're canceling it.. 

Yeah, a base 3.6 would be fine but something more powerful as an option, with all the GM's available engines, should have been an obvious decision. 

They are selling the vehicle thru 2020. Not to mention its still going to be avail in China market.. I think they can get plenty.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Cmicasa the Great

[ccap41]

26 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Am I the only one who wonders why the 3.6L V6 has so little torque compared to the 3800 and 3900 v6?

What @dfelt said. I assume DOHC has emissions advantages as everybody has moved to them awhile ago. 

This is why I'm surprised they didn't use some other engine or have a second optional engine with more torque for the larger vehicle that this is. 

Edited January 14, 2019 by ccap41

[David]

9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

What @dfelt said. I assume DOHC has emissions advantages as everybody has moved to them a while ago. 

This is why I'm surprised they didn't use some other engine or have a second optional engine with more torque for the larger vehicle that this is. 

You are right on, I am very surprised to not see this as the base engine and a turbo version in the 400HP / 400 lb-ft of torque department.

[ccap41]

10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

You are right on, I am very surprised to not see this as the base engine and a turbo version in the 400HP / 400 lb-ft of torque department.

100% agree. 

[David]

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

100% agree. 

That would also have quieted down the Critics pointing to the Aviator. I honestly say Lincoln won this round of CUVs. Sad

[frogger]

47 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Am I the only one who wonders why the 3.6L V6 has so little torque compared to the 3800 and 3900 v6?

"So little"?  I think it has more but at higher RPM, typical of DOHC.

 

[Robert Hall]

For the LGX 3.6 these are the specs in the Blazer (same platform):

2019

Chevrolet Blazer

305 hp (227 kW) @ 6600 RPM

269 lb⋅ft (365 N⋅m) @ 5000 RPM

Which seems plenty enough for this category.  it's more than the old 3800 and 3900 had (some of you are using rose colored glasses). 

Edited January 14, 2019 by Robert Hall

[David]

Just now, frogger said:

"So little"?  I think it has more but at higher RPM, typical of DOHC.

 

IMHO DOHC engines suck big time and they never unless turbo'd have more torque than HP. This engine is another example, Peak HP 310 HP, Torque while not stated in Drew's story, Autoweek states 271 lb-ft of torque. (https://autoweek.com/article/detroit-auto-show/2020-cadillac-xt6-fills-out-luxury-lineup-detroit-auto-show) 

Found GM's chart on this motor, keeping it the same as what is in the XT5:

 

People seem to love it, but why not give it the 335HP / 285 lb-ft config for a bigger CUV over the XT5 just makes no sense to me. Still hate the DOHC weak ass Torque design.

I will say as I missed this the first time I read it "CUE will now allow drivers to store their profile in the cloud for customization across compatible vehicles."

This is smart for GM to have this in their auto family that has this feature in their new auto's. Config in the cloud and moved around between auto's. Course how many people can afford multiple new cars in the same year. 🤷‍♂️

Still cool feature.