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GM's Lordstown facility has been sold to startup Lordstown Motors.  Lordstown Motors will produce the Workhorse Endurance pickup truck, an all-electric truck, at the site. 

The Endurance has all-wheel drive via 4 motors, one for each wheel.  It also has outlets to allow for the use of power tools. Workhorse is also in the bidding to make plug-in mail trucks for the U.S. Postal Service.  Workhorse has 6,000 orders for a truck based on the W-15 Prototype, and those orders would be moved to Lordstown for production. Workhorse is targeting fleet buyers. With fewer moving parts and lower fuel costs, it could translate to lower cost-to-own for fleet operators. 

Lordstown Motors still needs to go through several more rounds of fund raising in order to continue development, conduct safety testing, and retool the plant for production. 


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This sounds to me like GM unloaded an expensive property to keep mothballed and will write off a loss against profits to help minimize a tax bill.

I question Lordstown Motors ability to get capital and restart this plant. To me both Lordstown motors and Workhorse are dead companies walking.

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36 minutes ago, dfelt said:

This sounds to me like GM unloaded an expensive property to keep mothballed and will write off a loss against profits to help minimize a tax bill.

I question Lordstown Motors ability to get capital and restart this plant. To me both Lordstown motors and Workhorse are dead companies walking.

Depends if they can snag that post office contract or not. 

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2 hours ago, ocnblu said:

That is the problem though.  SELLING them to a disinterested public.

The public is disinterested because 87 regular is about $2.50/gallon.  Also most pure EVs are too expensive for normal people to ignore the used car market given how expensive a lot of NEW ICE cars are these days.

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On 11/8/2019 at 1:21 PM, dfelt said:

This sounds to me like GM unloaded an expensive property to keep mothballed and will write off a loss against profits to help minimize a tax bill.

I would think GM paid off/depreciated Lordstown long ago; plant came online in 1965.
Any monies exchanged would have to go on the income side, no?

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43 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I would think GM paid off/depreciated Lordstown long ago; plant came online in 1965.
Any monies exchanged would have to go on the income side, no?

What about the investments for new tools, robotics, updates to manufacture auto's at that plant location. Would those capital investment costs not need to be put against the income side?

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Sure, if not written down already.
But the bulk of the value has to be the property & buildings over any equity left in tooling (a lot of which is probably not applicable to Workhorse's needs).

Lordstown is 6.2 million square feet on 905 acres

For some comparison, Baltimore Assembly was 182 acres with 3.1 million SF when it sold for $27M in 2005.

Plant half the age, twice the SF, 4 times the property, 15 years later? I’m going to guess the price was $125M.

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11 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Well... if nothing else, I wish an American manufacturer the best of luck. I hope they create many jobs to help replace those which were lost. 

So we all hope.  I am sure that Lordstown needs those jobs in the area.

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Good Lord somebody tell them to stay with a private workforce...wouldn't the recent GM UAW Strike be any kind of warning?! Wake up Workhorse Board of Directors!!

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/11/11/new-lordstown-plant-owner-ev-truck-workforce-likely-to-be-unionized/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation&spot_im_comment_id=sp_K1uZhoSA_2184869_c_OsS3iQ

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3 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Good Lord somebody tell them to stay with a private workforce...wouldn't the recent GM UAW Strike be any kind of warning?! Wake up Workhorse Board of Directors!! 

I can't see that flying in NE Ohio..still a pretty strongly unionized region, albeit in much smaller numbers than it once was. 

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I can't see that flying in NE Ohio..still a pretty strongly unionized region...

Well, something needs to change...unions aren't what they used to be about...it's all about upper management GREED anymore, not the workers or the company employing them.

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6101444253001/#sp=show-clips

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4 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

They aren't going to get the salaries they got from GM though. 

Of course not, but the upper echelon at the union they join won't be any better. I think we all can agree with that.

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On 11/9/2019 at 12:37 PM, balthazar said:

I would think GM paid off/depreciated Lordstown long ago; plant came online in 1965.
Any monies exchanged would have to go on the income side, no?

39 years is the amount of time a business can amortize/depreciate the expense. That's both property and building(done individually, obviously). 

On 11/9/2019 at 1:21 PM, dfelt said:

What about the investments for new tools, robotics, updates to manufacture auto's at that plant location. Would those capital investment costs not need to be put against the income side?

Depending on the equipment itself, they're depreciated over 5-7 years. 

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      Torque
      350 Nm
      0-100 km/h
      8.5 seconds
      Features (Please see additional details section below table for more information)
      Supported Charging Infrastructure
      400 V and 800 V (No need for additional adapters)
      Ultra-fast Charging
      10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes of charge
      100 km of range (WLTP) in 5 minutes of charge
      Vehicle-to-Load
      Max. Output
      3.6 kW
      Port Locations
      Inside: Under second-row seats
      Outside: vehicle charging port
      Infotainment
      Screen
      12-inch, full-touch infotainment screen
      Hoodless 12-inch digital gauge cluster
      Bluelink® connected car services
      Remote Profile Management
      Remote Start Enhancements
      Vehicle Status Notifications
      POI Send to Car Now with Waypoints
      Maintenance Alert Enhancement
      Dynamic Voice Recognition
      Safety and Convenience Features
      Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA)
      Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA)
      Safe Exit Assist (SEA)
      Intelligent Speed Limit Assist (ISLA)
      Driver Attention Warning (DAW)
      High Beam Assist (HBA)
      Surround View Monitor (SVM)
      Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCCA)
      Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist (PCA)
      Highway Driving Assist 2 (HDA 2)
      Remote Smart Parking Assist (RSPA)
      Available Colors
      Exterior: Gravity Gold Matte, Shooting-Star Gray Matte, Digital Teal-Green Pearl, Lucid Blue Pearl, Atlas White, Cyber Gray Metallic, Phantom Black Pearl, Galactic Gray Metallic (not available in NA region), Mystic Olive-Green Pearl (not available in NA region)
      Interior: Obsidian Black and Dark Pebble Gray/Dove Gray, Dark Teal/Dove Gray, and Terra Brown/Mud Gray (only available in Korea)

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    • By David
      Love this new marketing from GM!
      Are you willing to join the future? Are you willing to join Generation E?
      GM-Generation-E.mp4
    • By David
      Many have heard of AI and they think Terminator. Yet AI in the computer industry has allowed us to build computers and accessories faster due to the ability of AI to sift through data faster than humans can. This brings us to how AI is helping the Auto industry transition to EV's and how battery tech will change much faster than in the last two decades.

      IBM has announced their recent battery project is developing prototypes of new faster charging batteries that are free of Nickel and Cobalt thanks to AI. It has allowed them to quickly evaluate a set of 20,000 potential compounds for use in the Battery electrolytes. This would normally take 5 years via traditional human research and yet was accomplished in nine days using AI.
      GM Ultium batteries and Panasonic batteries have reduced testing from three years to about six months. This is going from a large number of time consuming charging and discharging cycles to using AI to cover what would be done manually in three years to six months.

      Gbatteries has used AI to build faster and more reliable DC fast chargers. InoBat from Slovakian has stated that AI is helping them to boost battery density by 20% with the batteries being sold in 2023.
      VW has stated AI is helping them lay out a new roadmap of lite weight materials for auto's including their own batteries that are in development.
      Dyson has claimed that AI is how they have brought Solid State batteries to market now.
      AI is going to help usher in the next generation of not only Auto's but phones, computers, etc.  AI will touch just about every aspect of life for people.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-car-batteries-get-a-boost-from-artificial-intelligence-11604422792
      https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130221_report-ai-will-dramatically-speed-up-battery-development-and-thus-ev-adoption
      https://na.panasonic.com/us/press-releases
    • By David
      GM announced today their new family of EV motors, The Ultium Drive family.

      The Ultium Drive family is made up of five interchangeable drive units and three motors. This will help transition the current portfolio of auto's to fully electric lineup. Performance, scale, speed to market and manufacturing efficiencies will provide GM significant advantages over past EV auto's. GM is leading the way with industry class leading drive units that use an electric motor and single-speed transmissions to apply power best in class horsepower and torque. Ultium Drives will be more responsive than internal combustion motors with precision torque control of the motors and smooth performance. The design and development of the Ultium Drive modular architecture allows us to offer industry-leading torque with power density across a wide spectrum of different vehicles types.
      GM has applied their 25 years of EV experience in creating the Ultium Drive family with lighter and more efficient designs. The Ultium Drive family integrates the power electronics into the drive units assemblies allowing for a 50% reduction in electronics over previous auto's thus saving cost and packaging space while increasing capability by 25 percent.

      To Quote GM press release:
      “As with other propulsion systems that are complex, capital intensive and contain a great deal of intellectual property, we’re always better off making them ourselves,” said Adam Kwiatkowski, GM executive chief engineer, Global Electrical Propulsion. “GM’s full lineup of EVs should benefit from the simultaneous engineering of Ultium Drive. Our commitment to increased vertical integration is expected to bring additional cost efficiency to the performance equation.”
      Ultium-Drive-to-Help-Power-GMs-All-Electric-Future.mp4


      https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2020/sep/0916-ultium-drive.html
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