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no, bro.

He was questioning that statement, and I, in kind, because I respect him, decided to explain to him what I am all about. I opened up my heart to him. 

He deserves that from me. This forum deserves that from me.  And I, after opening up my heart to you guys, deserve a reciprocation of love, back.   😎

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Well, the wording (“try to like all”) just struck me. NOT saying 442 is NOT one, but enthusiasts don’t do that; right/ wrong / illegitimate- they form some sort of themes/biases right off the bat and they usually set like hi-PSI concrete. And like I say; maybe that’s ‘wrong’, but to snapshot my position and keep it topical- I’d have no issue pulling the crusher lever on a Mustang II. 
Props, Oldshurst442, for branching out. I hope you get me.

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3 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Well, the wording (“try to like all”) just struck me. NOT saying 442 is NOT one, but enthusiasts don’t do that; right/ wrong / illegitimate- they form some sort of themes/biases right off the bat and they usually set like hi-PSI concrete. And like I say; maybe that’s ‘wrong’, but to snapshot my position and keep it topical- I’d have no issue pulling the crusher lever on a Mustang II. 
Props, Oldshurst442, for branching out. I hope you get me.

I get you.

And yes, I see what you are sayin' and I agree with it. My choice of words, whether worded wrong or right, I did not realize the impact it might have. 

And yes, I have formed that theme and bias. 

I like muscle car type cars. I like performance oriented cars.  I like automotive rivalries and what cars come out of that rivalry. 

I usually like how cars have evolved as a product in their own environment.  

Skylines, to me, are muscle car like.  Originally, the cars were normal cars that were stuffed with higher performance engines in them creating a faster car. And over the years and decades, we got what we have today.  So I like Skylines.  

Any car stuffed with a big V8 where normally a smaller engine resides, I like. The AMG Hammer in the late 80s and more often than not, the modern AMG V8 cars, I enjoy those.

I like Ford GT40 versus Ferrari 250s. 

I like Lamborghinis versus Ferraris.

I like Chevy versus Ford versus Dodge.

And if you have the patience to read my posts, you will clearly see what cars I usually have passion for. 

 

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I can relate...i like a lot of stuff from a lot of manufacturers.  I'm sure some of it is due to what I was exposed to at an early age.   '60s-70s muscle cars and pony cars, full size American cars from the '60s-80s (esp. '69-72), personal luxury coupes.  Mustangs were my first loves. Over the years have gained an appreciation for German luxury and performance sedans, esp. the big Mercs of the 80s to today.  I like Northstar Cadillacs.  I like JDM performance cars like the older Skylines, though I've only seen a few in person.  Like a variety of Porsches and other European performance cars.  Like modern Volvo wagons.   I love a variety of Jeeps.  Love vintage race cars. 

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442 : I have seen where your automotive passions lie, and I have no issues with that, of course. Always; to each, his own.

I know I am generally very particular- that's just me. There's no singular automotive segment that I like unilaterally.
• 1960 Eldorado Seville coupe, for me? Why, thank you, anonymous wealthy donor, I shall love it like my own child!
• 1960 Merc Park Lane coupe, for me? Ummm, may I politely allow another to appreciate this automobile over myself?
 

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As far as comedians with cars, I like Leno and his eclectic collection...of the late night guys, I always preferred Letterman--thought he was funnier---and I always liked his involvement in Indy Car.   I like Adam Carolla and Jerry Seinfeld's interest in cars also, funny guys that have interesting cars and taste in cars. (Carolla's documentaries were quite good also--one about Paul Newman's racing career and one about the Ford '60s Le Mans effort).    I walked past Seinfeld and his buddy Larry David at Rennsport Reunion in Laguna Seca  a few years ago, but didn't bug them for autographs--that would have been crass. 

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18 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Ford really needs to offer a Level 2 home charging station with this MACH-E-ATO. During the the reveal the Ford execs talked about an estimated 80% of charging being done at home and about offering a Ford "Mobile Charger", but it sounds like it's similar to the Chevy Volt style Level 1 110v 20amp wall plug unit, that would be DISASTROUS as it takes FOREVER to get any recharge range with a Level 1, I know first hand from a past EREV I had where I ended up installing a Level 2 unit with a dedicated circuit in my garage. Hopefully they do like Tesla does and Cadillac did with the ELR in offering a Level 2 240v 50amp wall mounted home charging station that they will even have professionally installed for the customer.

I've worked in the EVSE industry with Blink Network here in Phoenix so I also know first hand that the "Ford Public EVSE Network" infrastructure that they are working on will take longer to complete than they think and most people do not want to have to sit in a long line for 30 - 45 min. or longer to finally be next to charge their EV, so the Level 2 home charging station would be where it's at.

No worries there. 

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/10/17/ford-introduces-north-americas-largest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html

https://electrek.co/2019/11/18/ford-mustang-mach-e-home-charging-on-par-with-tesla/

"The Ford Mobile Charger with its 14-50 plug, on a dedicated 40/50amp circuit (so, an electric-oven outlet), will pull 32 amps, giving the Ford Mach-E Mustang RWD 22 miles of range per hour. That’s 264 miles of range over a 12 hour period, surely enough for 99%+ of drivers. BUT, if you really need more, Ford is also offering a hardwired, 48 amp wall box, which will get you 32 miles of range per hour."

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Adam Carolla is good too. He had some sort of car show in the same vein as Top Gear a while back that I enjoyed.  Ive seen some documentaries he did as well.   He had a few voice over narration documentaries on American car history including the Paul Newman one. 

I like Jerry Seinfeld. I saw all the Crackle Comedians in Cars getting Coffee, but I havent yet seen the Netflix ones.  Jerry's comedy is funny. I like his observations and his comedic approach to it. 

Top Gear...

I enjoyed the original trio, but sometimes I did not.  I enjoyed the sarcasm and the purposeful making fun of the ethnic cultures that they made fun of, including when they made fun of Americana. Hey, they poked fun at British stiff upper lippness too...

But what I did not like, is when they, mostly Jeremy, blurred the lines of sarcasm, jokes and entertainment value and passed it on as facts.  And he did that when Top Gear was "seriously" reviewing American cars. Cadillacs and Corvettes mainly.  Lots of disinformation that was passed on as facts while stereotyping American cars are crap...

The American Top Gear and the British Top Gear that replaced the original guys are not that bad.  Matt Leblanc and Chris Harris do a good job. The American version just tries to copy the original Top Gear formula and it does not work. It aint bad, but it falls flat.  

And I know that both Top Gears now have other hosts. But I dont watch those as often anymore.   

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, USA-1 said:

Ford really needs to offer a Level 2 home charging station with this MACH-E-ATO. During the the reveal the Ford execs talked about an estimated 80% of charging being done at home and about offering a Ford "Mobile Charger", but it sounds like it's similar to the Chevy Volt style Level 1 110v 20amp wall plug unit, that would be DISASTROUS as it takes FOREVER to get any recharge range with a Level 1, I know first hand from a past EREV I had where I ended up installing a Level 2 unit with a dedicated circuit in my garage. Hopefully they do like Tesla does and Cadillac did with the ELR in offering a Level 2 240v 50amp wall mounted home charging station that they will even have professionally installed for the customer.

Do you mean at the time of sale offer to sell and wrap into the financing a Level 2 charger installed at the customers home?

I do not see Ford needing to build and sell a Level 2 charger when there are so many 3rd party companies doing that.

I DO SEE Ford needing to offer a resonable priced Level 2 charger installed with the purchase of the Mach E. That would help build customer satisfaction on their first major global EV.

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15 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Do you mean at the time of sale offer to sell and wrap into the financing a Level 2 charger installed at the customers home?

I do not see Ford needing to build and sell a Level 2 charger when there are so many 3rd party companies doing that.

I DO SEE Ford needing to offer a resonable priced Level 2 charger installed with the purchase of the Mach E. That would help build customer satisfaction on their first major global EV.

"New Ford all-electric vehicles, including the Mustang-inspired SUV arriving next year, will come standard with a Ford Mobile Charger that can charge regardless of outlet power (120- and 240-volt outlets); for those with longer commutes or who want greater peace of mind, a Ford Connected Charge Station can fully power a vehicle overnight while they sleep. Ford is collaborating with Amazon in the U.S. for all your installation services – from 240V outlets to the Ford Connected Charge Station"

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38 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

No worries there. 

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/10/17/ford-introduces-north-americas-largest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html

https://electrek.co/2019/11/18/ford-mustang-mach-e-home-charging-on-par-with-tesla/

"The Ford Mobile Charger with its 14-50 plug, on a dedicated 40/50amp circuit (so, an electric-oven outlet), will pull 32 amps, giving the Ford Mach-E Mustang RWD 22 miles of range per hour. That’s 264 miles of range over a 12 hour period, surely enough for 99%+ of drivers. BUT, if you really need more, Ford is also offering a hardwired, 48 amp wall box, which will get you 32 miles of range per hour."

That's good, the hardwired 48 amp wall mount Level 2 charging station on a dedicated 50/60 amp circuit would be the way to go for sure. Then leave the mobile switchable 120/240v box in the rear storage for traveling where there may not be a public station like rural areas. 

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24 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Do you mean at the time of sale offer to sell and wrap into the financing a Level 2 charger installed at the customers home?

I do not see Ford needing to build and sell a Level 2 charger when there are so many 3rd party companies doing that.

I DO SEE Ford needing to offer a resonable priced Level 2 charger installed with the purchase of the Mach E. That would help build customer satisfaction on their first major global EV.

Yes, they need to at least offer a Level 2 station to the buyer. EV buyers are very finicky and some feel entitled to one and will want options, trust me working for Blink I've seen and heard some pretty extravagant requests from early EV adopters.

They can offer a Ford branded OEM station like Cadillac did with Bosch. They won't want to give the station to and pay to have it installed for the customer like Caddy did for the first 5k buyers/lessee's, but it's not going to be expected like it is from a luxury brand like Cadillac or even Tesla. 

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21 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

That's good, the hardwired 48 amp wall mount Level 2 charging station on a dedicated 50/60 amp circuit would be the way to go for sure. Then leave the mobile switchable 120/240v box in the rear storage for traveling where there may not be a public station like rural areas. 

Absolutely. If you're committing to a full blown EV, you might as well commit to the proper charging setup. 

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15 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

"New Ford all-electric vehicles, including the Mustang-inspired SUV arriving next year, will come standard with a Ford Mobile Charger that can charge regardless of outlet power (120- and 240-volt outlets); for those with longer commutes or who want greater peace of mind, a Ford Connected Charge Station can fully power a vehicle overnight while they sleep. Ford is collaborating with Amazon in the U.S. for all your installation services – from 240V outlets to the Ford Connected Charge Station"

The one that comes standard will be a small box with interchangeable plugs for 120 or 240v similar to the one GM offered as standard in the Volt and ELR with a specific place to store it in the trunk. It won't pull the amps that one will want on a regular basis or be as good as a wall mounted dedicated Level 2 50 amp charging station, trust me it makes a big difference even if they say it will pull 32 amps on the mobile charger that's MAX and will vary greatly depending on the circuit and the environment the car is in.

Attached pics are what Caddy offered for the Level 2 50 amp station with J1772 plug and 18 ft. cord, it was a pretty cool setup.

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1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Adam Carolla is good too. He had some sort of car show in the same vein as Top Gear a while back that I enjoyed.  Ive seen some documentaries he did as well.   He had a few voice over narration documentaries on American car history including the Paul Newman one. 

I like Jerry Seinfeld. I saw all the Crackle Comedians in Cars getting Coffee, but I havent yet seen the Netflix ones.  Jerry's comedy is funny. I like his observations and his comedic approach to it. 

Top Gear...

I enjoyed the original trio, but sometimes I did not.  I enjoyed the sarcasm and the purposeful making fun of the ethnic cultures that they made fun of, including when they made fun of Americana. Hey, they poked fun at British stiff upper lippness too...

But what I did not like, is when they, mostly Jeremy, blurred the lines of sarcasm, jokes and entertainment value and passed it on as facts.  And he did that when Top Gear was "seriously" reviewing American cars. Cadillacs and Corvettes mainly.  Lots of disinformation that was passed on as facts while stereotyping American cars are crap...

The American Top Gear and the British Top Gear that replaced the original guys are not that bad.  Matt Leblanc and Chris Harris do a good job. The American version just tries to copy the original Top Gear formula and it does not work. It aint bad, but it falls flat.  

And I know that both Top Gears now have other hosts. But I dont watch those as often anymore.   

 

 

 

The Adam Corolla Show was awesome, loved that show. Top Gear was one of my favs as well both British and American versions were great in their own way.

The original Top Gear USA with Rutledge Wood, Adam Ferrara and Tanner Foust was hilarious and fun as h3ll to watch! They'd screw with each other like Clarkson did with May and Hammond. What a dream job! Get to drive exotics or clunkers to hammer on that aren't yours and if you break it the show pays for it 😂

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27 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

The one that comes standard will be a small box with interchangeable plugs for 120 or 240v similar to the one GM offered as standard in the Volt and ELR with a specific place to store it in the trunk. It won't pull the amps that one will want on a regular basis or be as good as a wall mounted dedicated Level 2 50 amp charging station, trust me it makes a big difference even if they say it will pull 32 amps on the mobile charger that's MAX and will vary greatly depending on the circuit and the environment the car is in.

Attached pics are what Caddy offered for the Level 2 50 amp station with J1772 plug and 18 ft. cord, it was a pretty cool setup.

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They went cheap I see as no Caddy Logo. 🙄

Come on GM, these little details matter to the luxury buyer.

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11 minutes ago, dfelt said:

They went cheap I see as no Caddy Logo. 🙄

Come on GM, these little details matter to the luxury buyer.

That's all you got out of it? Lol! Definitely wasn't cheap. I've been told it's because they were in the midst of changing the logo from the Wreath and Crest to the new Crest, but it hadn't been completed yet. First ELR's in 2014 had the old logo and the newer 2015's and 2016's had the new Crest logo on the grille and trunk lid along with a small "Cadillac" script on the trunk trim.

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8 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

That's all you got out of it? Lol! Definitely wasn't cheap. I've been told it's because they were in the midst of changing the logo from the Wreath and Crest to the new Crest, but it hadn't been completed yet. First ELR's in 2014 had the old logo and the newer 2015's and 2016's had the new Crest logo on the grille and trunk lid along with a small "Cadillac" script on the trunk trim.

I got more than that, but remember if we are to take the minds and memory of the consumers, then an old logo is better than no logo.

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1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

The one that comes standard will be a small box with interchangeable plugs for 120 or 240v similar to the one GM offered as standard in the Volt and ELR with a specific place to store it in the trunk. It won't pull the amps that one will want on a regular basis or be as good as a wall mounted dedicated Level 2 50 amp charging station, trust me it makes a big difference even if they say it will pull 32 amps on the mobile charger that's MAX and will vary greatly depending on the circuit and the environment the car is in.

Attached pics are what Caddy offered for the Level 2 50 amp station with J1772 plug and 18 ft. cord, it was a pretty cool setup.

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I assume this is it as it was posted in the press release of the charger/network. 

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11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I assume this is it as it was posted in the press release of the charger/network. 

Ford Mobile Charger.jpg

Yep, that's it.

24 minutes ago, ykX said:

https://www.change.org/p/ford-motor-company-name-change-mustang-mach-e

I am curious how many eventually will sign.

Of course, no way Ford will change the name.  Still, will be pretty good indication how many Mustang fans are not happy with the name.

Oh yeah Mustang purists are pissed, I know a couple guys who are not happy about it at all.

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36 minutes ago, ykX said:

https://www.change.org/p/ford-motor-company-name-change-mustang-mach-e

Still, will be pretty good indication how many Mustang fans are not happy with the name.

Not a good sign because ANYBODY can get triggered over ANYTHING and start a petition over nothing as it seems.

example:

https://www.change.org/p/the-walt-disney-company-have-disney-strike-star-wars-episode-viii-from-the-official-canon

 

36 minutes ago, ykX said:

I am curious how many eventually will sign.

Even THAT is not a good sign. 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/don-cherry-comeback-petition

Don Cherry, if you know who that is, or even care, got fired for words said...

People got triggered. He got fired. Fake backlash or not...the consensus  is that he does not represent Canada or Canadians in any way , so he got fired...will continue to be fired never to air on Hockey Night in Canada ever again...so...

Immediately after his firing 180 000 people signed a petition to get him re-hired. More signatures and yelling and more people triggered for his firing than what he supposedly said was racist that triggered those people that wanted him fired...

But does 180 000 signatures really indicate if Canadians really gives a shyte if he stays on ranting about hockey on Hockey Night in Canada or not?

Same with this Mustang named EV and the folk that are triggered by its naming. 

When Ford wanted to cancel the Mustang and bring it on as a FWD sporty car, THAT backlash was real, because that meant that a RWD Mustang with a V8 could NEVER be had again.

Same with the Porsche 911.

When Porsche was tinkering on with the idea that the 928, a V8 powered front engined GT car would probably replace the 911, fans of the 911 got angry as they too, could never buy a boxer 6 cylinder rear mounted sports car from Porsche.  

THAT is what the BIG DIFFERENCE is here. A RWD V8 coupe and convertible sports car could STILL be bought called the Mustang...

Its just that the Mustang now also has a stable mate that rides higher, has 4 doors, has AWD and is electric...

This "outrage" for an EV named Mustang is...really just noise. It will dissipate.

Like the "outrage" when Porsche went from air cooled to water cooled.

Like when Corvette ditched its pop-up headlights and  went from round tail lights to "Camaro" tail lights.

Like when Dodge made the Charger into a 4 door. 

Like when Ford decided to have a turbocharged V6 as its top engine choice rather than a V8 in their bread and butter F-150, keeping in mind that the V8 is STILL offered.  Yeah, the Mustang RWD coupe that now has 3 engine choices is still around. And when the RWD 2 door coupe Mustang will eventually go all electric, there will be backlash on that too. But that one is a tad more touchy than actually having a 4 door SUV stablemate be called Mustang.  But then again, by that time, people will have been accustomed to an all electric Mustang...   Be it an SUV or a 2 door coupe...

 

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20 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Oh yeah Mustang purists are pissed, I know a couple guys who are not happy about it at all.

BAH...

Purists are always pissed about something...

Corvette purists are pissed that the Corvette is now mid-engined...

Porsche purists are STILL pissed that air cooled 911s are long gone...

Hockey purists are pissed because the game of hockey is now actually played on the ice instead of having WWE style battle royales happen on every other night.

Baseball purists are still pissed because of the designated hitter rule in the American League...

Phoqu'em!!!

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4 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

BAH...

Purists are always pissed about something...

Corvette purists are pissed that the Corvette is now mid-engined...

Porsche purists are STILL pissed that air cooled 911s are long gone...

Phoqu'em!!!

These people are actual customers that buy that product, whatever that is.  So I think it is in the best interest of the companies to listen to them.

911 became better by going liquid cooled.

Vette became better by going mid-engine.

Mustang name used on a crossover is not even close to these examples.

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3 minutes ago, ykX said:

These people are actual customers that buy that product, whatever that is.  So I think it is in the best interest of the companies to listen to them.

911 became better by going liquid cooled.

Vette became better by going mid-engine.

Mustang name used on a crossover is not even close to these examples.

 

11 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

BAH...

Purists are always pissed about something...

Corvette purists are pissed that the Corvette is now mid-engined...

Porsche purists are STILL pissed that air cooled 911s are long gone...

 

Do those 'purists' actually even buy new cars, though ?    Or do they just wallow in nostalgia for the past...

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