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Will be back to see what everyone thinks, my kids are taking me out for dinner. Back in a few hours ya'll! :metal:

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2 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Will be back to see what everyone thinks, my kids are taking me out for dinner. Back in a few hours ya'll! :metal:

But you'll miss it!

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7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

But you'll miss it!

Crazy month, the kids are busy so taking me out for my 52nd B-day dinner early. :P Steak, yummmmmm 

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Obviously these sort of things are a lot of fluff, but they barely talked about performance other than up to 300 mile range and an estimated 0-60 time of the GT.  They didn’t talk price or trim levels, or any features outside of Sync.  And this was over a half hour, iris like these people don’t know how to sell cars.  And judging by recent performance that seems to be the case.

When the C8 reveal happened they gave you a price, features engineering, they gave you reasons to buy it.  Every reason Ford gave to buy one of these Tesla already does, and probably better than Ford does it.

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the exterior is just fine.  looks good, i thought they would botch it.  Not a mustang but a crossover with sleek styling, well done.  I've seen a few of the new Escape already and let me tell you, those are not styled near as well as this is.  The new Escapes are mailed in, strange, don't even look like Fords.

interior is almost hot garbage in the pictures, i.e. looks cheap, and the huge ipad sucks.  i guess we can save final judgment on that for when its in the flesh. 

is this thing going to be sold in significant volumes or not?  If not, its a PR car.  Like the Volt and Bolt.

Although look at this the Mach-E looks cool, the Bolt just looks nerdy.

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Too much Tesla influence, with the giant glued-on dash tablet and the otherworldly front end.  One must NEVER bow to Elon Musk.  And wow, they copied the 1960 Chevy Corvair with that front trunk.  Whole thing is an insult to the Mustang spirit.

I'd rather drive a 1974 Mustang II Mach 1 with 2.8L V6 and 3-speed automatic than this faceless cyborg.

Ford is f@#king up BIG TIME with this.

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While I'm not a huge fan of throwing Mustang on the actual vehicle name I think people are missing the point in why they're doing it. Balthy can probably understand as EV sales really aren't much of anything. They're using the name to grab attention and attention they got. Chevy came out with the Bolt and hardly made a splash and it's a very adequate EV with no real downsides outside of price.. and 'looks' but those are subjective. 

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3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

While I'm not a huge fan of throwing Mustang on the actual vehicle name I think people are missing the point in why they're doing it. Balthy can probably understand as EV sales really aren't much of anything. They're using the name to grab attention and attention they got. Chevy came out with the Bolt and hardly made a splash and it's a very adequate EV with no real downsides outside of price.. and 'looks' but those are subjective. 

Yes, it's definitely a marketing move.  It will be interesting to see if it works or not.  This has flashy styling, kind of Tesla-esque, some hints of Mustang.    

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5 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Too much Tesla influence, with the giant glued-on dash tablet and the otherworldly front end.  One must NEVER bow to Elon Musk.  And wow, they copied the 1960 Chevy Corvair with that front trunk.  Whole thing is an insult to the Mustang spirit.

I'd rather drive a 1974 Mustang II Mach 1 with 2.8L V6 and 3-speed automatic than this faceless cyborg.

Ford is f@#king up BIG TIME with this.

Who would have thought that you would have a problem with an EV? Just shocking.

The new Corvette has a trunk in the front too but who’s keeping actual count here and aside from the ridiculous tablet it bears no resemblance to a Tesla. Hell the profile screams Jaguar to me which actually isn’t a bad thing (just slightly more “stretched”).  You always see the negative in EVs even if it looked exactly like you would want it to look so your opinion of it is always taken with a laughable grain of salt. Thanks for not disappointing with your “expert” analysis. 
 


 

 

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I'll admit to being a Mustang fan since childhood, and have owned multiple Mustangs.   I'm also 'EV-curious'...not likely to buy one any time soon, but I'm not rabidly anti-EV like some.   Looking forward to seeing this one in person.   The performance and range sound great at first read. 

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3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I'll admit to being a Mustang fan since childhood, and have owned multiple Mustangs.   I'm also 'EV-curious'...not likely to buy one any time soon, but I'm not rabidly anti-EV like some.   Looking forward to seeing this one in person.   The performance and range sound great at first read. 

It’s called having an open mind which is sorely lacking for some. As long as Ford doesn’t bitch this up (i.e. the Explorer/Aviator launch), they may actually be on to something here. Still not crazy about that oversized tablet though. That is a maintenance and damage nightmare waiting to happen. 

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I think it is an all around interesting move that their first real EV(excluding the joke of a Focus Electric) is near coupe-like and performance oriented as opposed to something basic as sht like an electric Escape or Fusion sized/shaped vehicles. 

31 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

It’s called having an open mind which is sorely lacking for some. As long as Ford doesn’t bitch this up (i.e. the Explorer/Aviator launch), they may actually be on to something here. Still not crazy about that oversized tablet though. That is a maintenance and damage nightmare waiting to happen.

I have a feeling the massive tablet is going to become more and more common as it reduces costs and people like big screens, in general. 

Enthusiasts notice it doesn't flow well but AverageAshley just sees something that looks highly technologically advanced because big screen and sees fancy.  

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13 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Obviously these sort of things are a lot of fluff, but they barely talked about performance other than up to 300 mile range and an estimated 0-60 time of the GT.  They didn’t talk price or trim levels, or any features outside of Sync.  And this was over a half hour, iris like these people don’t know how to sell cars.  And judging by recent performance that seems to be the case.

When the C8 reveal happened they gave you a price, features engineering, they gave you reasons to buy it.  Every reason Ford gave to buy one of these Tesla already does, and probably better than Ford does it.

They talked about plenty and it looks better than anything from Daimler. The C8 had years of coverage prior to it’s official release so you are not even close to comparing apples to oranges here. Again, anything to besmirch a domestic product. 

3 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I think it is an all around interesting move that their first real EV(excluding the joke of a Focus Electric) is a near coupe-like and performance oriented as opposed to something basis as sht like an electric Escape or Fusion sized/shaped vehicles. 

Agreed. Ford should be give a ton of credit for not going the route you mentioned and giving  a clean slate product while carrying a familiar face (Mustang in this case). 

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

They talked about plenty and it looks better than anything from Daimler. The C8 had years of coverage prior to it’s official release so you are not even close to comparing apples to oranges here. Again, anything to besmirch a domestic product. 

Agreed. Ford should be give a ton of credit for not going the route you mentioned and giving  a clean slate product while carrying a familiar face (Mustang in this case). 

The C8 had a better presentation.  I was comparing the events.  This Mach-e presentation was overly scripted and even Bill Ford seemed wooden and stiff, he didn’t even seem that excited.  Tadge Juecter or however you spell it was super excited and passionate about the C8, he made you want to go out and buy one.  Bill Ford and Jim Hackett didn’t sell me on anything.  

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45 minutes ago, frogger said:

I would sure take it over the GM-China effort Menlo EV

 

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Though this might be a good addition to the US Chevy line, it looks more appealing than the Bolt.

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6 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I'll admit to being a Mustang fan since childhood, and have owned multiple Mustangs.   I'm also 'EV-curious'...not likely to buy one any time soon, but I'm not rabidly anti-EV like some.   Looking forward to seeing this one in person.   The performance and range sound great at first read. 

Im a muscle car guy through and through (and in my definition, pony cars are certainly included) and I do like the Mustang throughout its history, although there are more than a couple of generations that I cant stand. From 1971-2004 to be exact, by I digress...

I do like the looks of this "Mustang" Mach E. Its performance and range is on par with Tesla products. In the looks department, it surpasses the Tesla Model X by miles... 

It should do well in the market place as it mimics Tesla quite well.  From range and performance to interior simplicity and iPad screens. And its a better looker to boot! 

If it does not sell well, its because

1. The EV people really do NOT trust the status quo automakers such as Ford, GM VW and the like, and are ONLY loyal to Tesla

2. The curious folk that are intrigued by EVs are NOT ready just yet, if ever, to commit to buying an EV. 

And if it does not sell, it will be a damned shame as it seems like Ford, as a late comer to the 100% pure BEV market, has done it right. And done it right the FIRST timea around. Nobody can accuse the Mach E as a compliance EV as some do the Bolt...

The Porsche Taycan is a good try. But it aint a Tesla Killer.

The Jaguar whatever its called, is an OK try...but it fails to be in the same vicinity as a Tesla product.

The Bolt is a good try too, but its far from being a Tesla product equivalent.

The Mach E as Ford's first BEV, is in the same territory!!!  Quite the accomplishment!!!

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4 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Though this might be a good addition to the US Chevy line, it looks more appealing than the Bolt.

The Menlo and it seems like the Buick Velite 6 are more on par of what GM should be offering in North America. 

These are NOT Tesla competitors as Tesla is geared towards speed and performance. Performance enthusiasts love Teslas as do average folk too, and these offerings from GM looks to be more geared for the normal folk, which is a good thing. Nothing wrong with that. The Bolt is just too damned small for North American family hauling duties. The Model 3 is at the limit. The Model S is perfect. The Model X is duh...an SUV.  The Bolt is a sub-compact econobox...  When in history  have sub-compact econoboxes sold well in the US and Canada?  Let alone an EV sub-compact...

 

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Ford's engines and trannies and all wheels drive setups break down after the last payment is made, so they decided to make a car without a gas engine and complex corresponding driveline.  So maybe this vehicle exists for Ford to improve their reliability ratings,

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The Mustang name to this EV could be a detriment to the Mustang name...but it could be a genius move.  Only time will tell.

The thing is, I think Ford is ready to expand the Mustang portfolio and kinda make it into some sort of brand. I do not mean that Ford will branch off Mustang into its own division, but expand the Mustang portfolio...

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The Mustang was always special in the Ford line-up. Immediately the year after its launch even.  There were Mustangs, and then there were SHELBY Mustangs and today, Mustang is sold all over the world. 

A 4 door SUV EV Mustang?  Why the hell not? 

Mustangs, from Ford or from the Shelby years are synonymous with performance.  And this Mustang Mach-E has the performance to back up its Mustang branded name....

Im ready to call this a genius move. 

 

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      Nissan was the first automaker to introduce a mass market electric vehicle with the Nissan LEAF in 2010, which has resulted in nearly 500,000 sales to date. Building on Nissan's strength as an EV pioneer, the Ariya takes the powerful performance and capabilities of zero-emission vehicles to the heart of the electric vehicle market.
      The car's all-electric drivetrain combines excellent power delivery, charging capabilities and range. Customers can choose from multiple configurations to meet their individual needs. These include two-wheel-drive and new "e-4ORCE" all-wheel drive versions, as well as two different battery sizes. The e-4ORCE all-wheel control system balances the powerful performance with a smooth, comfortable ride and all-weather capability. The system's twin electric motors provide balanced, assured handling with sports car-level power.
      Advanced design and technology for stress-free driving
      Ariya is also the most advanced embodiment of Nissan Intelligent Mobility in a car to date.
      Drivers will feel more confident and less stressed thanks to the available, next-generation ProPILOT Assist 2.0 advanced driver assistance system that uses driver attention monitoring to enable hands-off single-lane highway operation. Ariya will also offer e-Pedal, which allows the driver to start, accelerate and decelerate using only the accelerator pedal.
      Standard across the Ariya lineup is Nissan Safety Shield® 360, a suite of six advanced active safety and driver-assist technologies. This includes Automatic Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Detection, Rear Automatic Braking, Lane Departure Warning, Blind Spot Warning, Rear Cross Traffic Alert and High Beam Assist. Ariya will also feature Nissan's Intelligent Around View Monitor, Intelligent Forward Collision Warning and other technologies aimed at making the drive easier and more enjoyable.
      A human-machine interface lets customers use natural speech to adjust car settings. Over-the-air firmware updates keep the Ariya feeling fresh and exciting. The Ariya also includes Amazon's Alexa to help customers simplify and organize their lives.
      Ariya will also feature wireless Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto™ standard to help drivers seamlessly integrate their smartphone into their vehicle experience.
      Spacious, flat-floor cabin
      The Ariya's striking looks represent Nissan's new design language, Timeless Japanese Futurism. It is characterized by a distinctive Japanese approach, conveyed in a simple yet powerfully modern way.
      Nissan's designers took advantage of the car's new EV platform, which allows for a flat floor, and its compact climate control components to give the Ariya a very spacious cabin. The lounge-like interior, featuring thin profile Zero Gravity seats, provides a welcoming and comfortable environment for driver and passengers alike.
      "Nissan was a pioneer in the world of mass-market electric vehicles a decade ago with LEAF, setting the standard for affordable, mass-market electric vehicles. We expect nothing less for the new Nissan Ariya," said Gupta. "While the driving exhilaration of its acceleration and torque levels is undeniable, the Ariya offers balanced, customer-centric technology that is perfect for everyday use."
      Nissan Ariya Key Specifications
      Passenger configuration
      2-row, 5-passenger
      Drive configuration
      Front-wheel drive or e-4ORCE all-wheel drive
      Platform
      Newly developed Alliance CMF-EV
      Powertrain
      Single (FWD) / dual (e-4ORCE AWD) electric motor, Externally Excited Synchronous Motor (EESM)
      Battery capacity
      63 kWh / 87 kWh usable (total 65 kWh / 90 kWh)
      Thermal management
      Active battery management system
      Estimated range
      Up to approximately 300 miles (preliminary Nissan estimate)
      Level 2 charging
      Up to 7.2 kW
      DC charging type
      CCS standard up to 130 kW
      Output
      160 kW – 290 kW
      Torque
      221 lb-ft – 443 lb-ft
      Wheelbase
      109.3 in.
      Overall length
      182.9 in.
      Overall width
      74.8 in.
      Overall height
      65.4 in. – 65.7 (depending on roof rack)
      Cargo volume
      16.5 cu ft (FWD)
      14.6 (e-4ORCE)
      Wheel size
      19-inch or 20-inch
      Tire size
      235/55R19 or 255/45R20
      Available interior features
      Lounge-like space created by flat, open floor and slim-profile Zero Gravity seats; large, minimalist instrument panel with integrated capacitive haptic switches; innovative center storage box with fold-out tray, adjustable center console
      Available Advanced Driver Assist (ADAS) Technology
      ProPILOT Assist 2.0 featuring hands-off highway operation with Driver Monitoring System
      Available safety technology
      Nissan Safety Shield® 360 with Automatic Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Detection, Blind Spot Warning, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Lane Departure Warning, High Beam Assist and Rear Automatic Braking
      Model configurations
      Ariya standard and long range (FWD)
      Ariya standard range e-4ORCE and long range e-4ORCE (AWD)
      * NOTE: All specifications are as of July 2020 and are subject to homologation. Model names, features and specifications may vary by market. Subject to final validation.

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