[balthazar]

Betting I'm the only person who recognized that the 'new GM' was organized under the FIRST name of the entity; incorporated as 'General Motors Company' in the state of New Jersey on 09-16-1908.

GM's 2nd birthday was when they reorganized in DE on 10-13-1916 (GMCo was dissolved 08-03-1917).

[Satty]

There are 2 main reasons small cars dont sell in America at the moment.

1--Most small cars available now (and for the last few decades) have been crap. The ones that have been successful have been European, which to some just screams "reliability nightmare" and priced significantly higher than other cars of a similar size.

2--Americans are freaking fat

Maybe the economy will crap out to the point where people quit eating and they'll be able to fit into cars like the Cooper and Fiesta and they'll see how fantastic they are.

[hyperv6]

it was a lot more outrageous than the current one, probably fitting for Pontiac, and a lot more awkward, cumbersome and clumsy like the Aztek.

I think you are thinking of the GP. He showed up just a short while before the 04 GP and Larcrosse appeared. The Lacrosse was put back for a entire redesign of the body and the GP got a nose job because it had a Aztek nose. I saw it once and it was awful.

[!!!TED!!!]

I have all the pre-Lutz images.....




...on my corrupt old hardrive

EDIT: the G6 was to look like this:

There were more developmental images (as above) even included in the actual post-Lutz G6 brochure.

We had actual pictures of the full scale model, that looked almost exactly like this rendering!

[hyperv6]

Here is some of the keys to GM' Future

1 to continue to improve on what they already have started with better quality and products.

2 Price their product at or below the compitition.

3 Builfd the best small cars avaiable as gas prices will go up and they need to address all markets not just large cars and trucks.

4 Marketing marketing and marketing. GM's greatest failure is they could barely support development of a car and then still afford to market it properly 6 months after intro. If you want people to know your product you need to tell them and tell them again. To bad we lost Billy Mays!

5 Did I say marketing!

6 GM also need to find ways to answer the press and defend themselves from unfail attacks. There are many people out there that are working in the press and other areas to make sure GM fails. They need to address this and call the bluffs on this kind of atttack. I have already seen the people saying GM needs to get better product when they can't even name any of the new cars ready for release in the next 3 years. They make it sound as if GM has nothing in the pipeline.

7 Remove the clueless dead wood from within GM. Is see some of some of it is already gone. So this is already a positive.

There are many more details but GM does have a fighting chance and the economy is right now their worst enemy. The one thing they do have is they have income form China and some other areas. Count this with reduced operating cost and no majore debt other than the goverment loan it should be easier. Note I did not say easy.

The last factor in their corner is the Goverment can not afford to let them fail now. The democrates can not afford to go into an election year with GM failing after the loans. THe people will vote each and everyone out for this reason alone not to mention the Cap and Trade bill.

[hyperv6]

I have all the pre-Lutz images.....




...on my corrupt old hardrive

EDIT: the G6 was to look like this:

There were more developmental images (as above) even included in the actual post-Lutz G6 brochure.

We had actual pictures of the full scale model, that looked almost exactly like this rendering!

The GP was even worse. It has the upper scoop line like the Aztek had. I wish I had save the picture I saw of the prototype. GM really locked down on these photos.

[!!!TED!!!]

The GP was even worse. It has the upper scoop line like the Aztek had. I wish I had save the picture I saw of the prototype. GM really locked down on these photos.

I kinda like the aggressiveness of the Pre-Lutz stuff.

Here is a photochop I did in 2004 (I think), that shows more or less the pre-Lutz GP.

[CSpec]

I kinda like the aggressiveness of the Pre-Lutz stuff.

Here is a photochop I did in 2004 (I think), that shows more or less the pre-Lutz GP.

Yikes. I had forgotten about that--I think that was even before my time at C&G! I wonder where to find that old STS scan... it was all over the web at some point, someone must have saved it.

[Satty]

I had the GP and STS saved in a file with a bunch of other pics I had on a screensaver on my desktop. But I lost them when it took a dump.

[!!!TED!!!]

Good news for those interested. I found a back up CD from July 18, 2006!
It contains tons and tons of C&G and GM related stuff, including the pre-Lutz STS, G6, some rare pics etc etc!

Here is the real G6 we were supposed to get!




And something I made for C&G in '06:


Pre-Lutz STS!

and something I made for C&G:



I will post up some more interesting stuff I find later (after 20/20's GM expose lol).
Its a good thing Im a digital pack-rat (as well as in real life!).

[CSpec]

Thanks Ted! Awesome stuff.

[Dodgefan]

Good news for those interested. I found a back up CD from July 18, 2006!
It contains tons and tons of C&G and GM related stuff, including the pre-Lutz STS, G6, some rare pics etc etc!

Here is the real G6 we were supposed to get!




And something I made for C&G in '06:


Pre-Lutz STS!

and something I made for C&G:



I will post up some more interesting stuff I find later (after 20/20's GM expose lol).
Its a good thing Im a digital pack-rat (as well as in real life!).

Thanks Ted! Yikes, the STS is horrid as is the G6. Got any more?

[JamesBond]

What were they thinking!?

[ocnblu]

*extends a hand* Thank you, Mr. Bob Lutz

[hyperv6]

Thank God Bob got here when did. Also than God got Wellborn.

If the GP looked like that there would have been one less Comp G sold and it would not be in my garage right now.

Thanks for posting. This shows how much GM was helped by Bob. Even a blind would understand that.

[Oracle of Delphi]

*extends a hand* Thank you, Mr. Bob Lutz

Yes Bob, thank you for letting Pontiac die under your watch ...

[ocnblu]

Of course I'd like to know who made the decision to pull the plug because I'd kick them square in the ass, corporate executive or not. But I just cannot fathom Mr. Lutz making such a decision.

[RjION]

How long will the new GM survive?

10years
15years
20years

[henry007]

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