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    New York 2018: 2019 Cadillac XT4 Kicks Off A Product Renaissance

      Finally a new product from Cadillac!


    The 2019 Cadillac XT4 is an important vehicle for the brand for a number of reasons. It's the first vehicle part of a major product offensive by Cadillac that will see them introduce a new/redesigned model almost every six months through 2021. It also gives Cadillac a contender in the growing small luxury crossover class.

    The overall design of the XT4 is very similar to the larger XT5 with sharp angles, large front grille, headlights that extend downward to the bumper, and taillights that run from the top of the tailgate to underneath the window. 18-inch wheels come standard, while larger 20-inch wheels are optional. The overall dimensions of the XT4 - 181.1-inch overall length, 109.4-inch wheelbase, 74.1-inches wide, and 64.1-inches tall - puts it between subcompact and compact crossovers.

    Inside, Cadillac went for a modern and clean look. An 8-inch touchscreen housing the Cadillac User Experience infotainment system is standard on XT4s. Like the CT6 refresh, the XT4 will have a rotary control knob to control the system. Cargo space measures out 22.5 cubic feet with the rear seats up and 48.9 cubic feet when folded.

    Powering all XT4s will be a turbocharged 2.0L four-cylinder with 237 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque. This will come paired with a nine-speed automatic and the choice of front or all-wheel drive. Cadillac estimates fuel economy figures of 25 City/30 Highway/27 Combined - we're assuming the numbers are for the front-wheel drive model.

    The suspension is comprised of a front strut and five-link rear setup. Sport models get the option of a Continuous Damping Control system that automatically adjusts the firmness based on a number of parameters.

    Pricing for the 2019 XT4 kicks off at $35,790 when it arrives at dealers this fall. Those interested can order an XT4 beginning at the end of this month.

    Source: Cadillac 
    Press Release is on Page 2


    Cadillac Introduces First-Ever XT4

    • All-new compact SUV delivers more for a new generation of luxury buyers

    At Cadillac House in Manhattan today, Cadillac unveiled the first-ever XT4, an all-new compact SUV tailored for the next generation of luxury customers.

    Developed on an exclusive compact SUV architecture, Cadillac’s entry in the industry’s fastest-growing luxury segment delivers expressive design, confident performance, spacious accommodations and new technologies.

    “The first-ever 2019 Cadillac XT4 expands our successful SUV lineup to a segment where Cadillac has never been before,” said Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen. “And it sets off a dramatic expansion and elevation of the product range, that will see a new Cadillac virtually once every six months through 2021.”

    Simple and sculpted lines draw the customer in and accentuate the XT4’s powerful proportions and aggressive presence. The interior is the Cadillac design aesthetic distilled: the thoughtful and artistic integration of technology and appealing style. The cabin is exceptionally refined, with expected segment-leading rear-seat spaciousness.

    All models are driven by an all-new Cadillac 2.0L Turbo engine that features new efficiency-enhancing technologies including Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation), coupled with a nine-speed automatic transmission with next-generation Electronic Precision Shift.

    Cadillac also debuts its new global “Y” trim strategy on the XT4. Distinctive Premium Luxury and Sport models build from the well-equipped Luxury (base) trim. Specific content and styling cues tailor the Premium Luxury and Sport trims to different customer tastes and preferences.

    Cadillac will roll out this new trim strategy beginning with the XT4 and the 2019 CT6 top-of-range sedan.

    The XT4 will be priced starting at $35,790 including destination charge, excluding tax, title, license, dealer fees and optional equipment, when it goes on sale in fall 2018. Starting at the end of March 2018, customers will be able to preorder their XT4s from participating U.S. Cadillac dealers nationwide.

    Additional XT4 highlights include:

    • Cadillac user experience with all-new rotary controller
    • Smart chassis features including available twin-clutch, decoupling all-wheel drive
    • Available Active Sport Suspension featuring Continuous Damping Control and new electro-hydraulic braking assist

    STYLE WITH SUBSTANCE
    A team of young designers representing the heart of the XT4’s target customer demographic helmed the design, penning an expressive SUV that injects a higher degree of sculpture into Cadillac’s lineup — and today’s vehicle is very close to their original visions for the exterior and interior.

    “The XT4 has a great presence that is confident and poised,” said Therese Pinazzo, exterior design manager. “It exudes Cadillac’s DNA, but with a new boldness that speaks to the youthfulness of its team and its customers.”

    In keeping with Cadillac’s new “Y” trim strategy, the Luxury, Premium Luxury and Sport models offer distinctive styling cues and trim finishes to create unique personas and greater choice for customers. XT4 Sport models feature a gloss black mesh grille inspired by Cadillac’s high-performance V-Series models, gloss black window moldings and specific Sport alloy wheel choices. Luxury and Premium Luxury models feature grilles with bright metallic accents, satin aluminum window moldings and satin chrome-accented door handles.

    All models feature advanced LED lighting technology front and rear, with front LED low and high beams and an LED-illuminated light blade for the daytime running lamps. Cadillac’s vertical L-shaped lighting signature is stretched horizontally, emphasizing the XT4’s width and confident stance.

    Standard LED taillights are housed in traditional red lenses on Luxury and Premium Luxury, while the Sport model receives tinted neutral-density (clear) lenses that complement the generally darker exterior color choices.

    Eight exterior colors will be offered on the 2019 XT4 at launch: Atlantic Metallic, Autumn Metallic, Crystal White Tricoat, Twilight Blue Metallic, Shadow Metallic, Red Horizon Tintcoat, Stellar Black Metallic and Radiant Silver Metallic.

    BOLD, REFINED AND SPACIOUS CABIN
    Echoing the exterior design themes, the new XT4’s cabin conveys boldness and strength with youthful athleticism. Sweeping arcs and tapered lines enhance the feeling of spaciousness and give it a taut, tightly wrapped appearance.

    The interior elements come together in a sophisticated and modern design. Intuitive technology includes available next-generation wireless device charging and an in-cabin air ionizer.

    “With the XT4’s interior, we distilled Cadillac to its essence,” said Phillip Kucera, Interior Design manager. “We’ve been able to be simpler and bolder than we have ever been before, giving the SUV attitude and a sporty connotation.”

    The all-new XT4 offers exceptional space for a compact luxury SUV, particularly for rear-seat passengers. It is expected to lead the segment in rear-seat roominess, with 39.5 inches (1,004 mm) of legroom. The XT4 also offers 48.9 cubic feet (1,385 liters) of maximum cargo volume with the rear seat folded.

    "The XT4 was envisioned holistically to deliver a dynamic sporty exterior without compromising comfort and functionality for passengers,” said Cadillac Exterior Design Director Jim Fleming, who helped create the vehicle’s architecture.

    “It’s a great balance that delivers style and comfort on long drives such as a weekend getaway to a favorite ski slope, while still offering excellent cargo room for that ski trip’s gear.”

    Additional interior features and highlights include:

    • The thick, three-spoke, leather-wrapped steering wheel is all new and was developed to enhance the sporty feel of the vehicle while maintaining driver comfort on long drives.
    • Sport-inspired seating with prominent seat-bottom and seatback bolsters balances comfort with the kind of support typically found in sports sedans. A massage feature is available.
    • Available white ambient lighting casts a sophisticated glow and highlights important features.
    • Technology integration includes Cadillac’s first rotary controller for the Cadillac user experience and other vehicle features (see below for more information), along with streamlined vehicle controls for easier, more intuitive use.

    At launch, the 2019 XT4 will be offered in seven interior environments, based on Luxury, Premium Luxury or Sport trims:

    • XT4 Luxury — Light Platinum/Jet Black with Aluminum Metallized decor trim
    • XT4 Premium Luxury — Jet Black with Diamond-Cut Aluminum, Light Platinum/Jet Black with Linear Galaxy High-Gloss Wood, Sedona/Jet Black with Fineline Calico High-Gloss Wood
    • XT4 Sport — Jet Black with Cinnamon Accents with Twenty-Two High-Gloss Carbon Fiber, Light Wheat/Jet Black with Red Accents and Morello Red High-Gloss Carbon Fiber, Sedona/Jet Black with Fineline Calico High-Gloss Wood

    INTUITIVE TECHNOLOGIES 
    Led by the latest Cadillac user experience, the brand’s most advanced infotainment interface, the XT4 offers a connected environment.

    The Cadillac user experience is a dynamic platform that offers a smartphone-like experience with an intuitive interface, faster response and improved voice recognition that can be updated over time to meet a customer’s evolving connectivity needs. It leverages the cloud and available embedded 4G LTE connection to enable personalization, available connected navigation and news, marketplace and entertainment applications via the app store and a new rotary controller that offers users alternative ways to interact with the system.

    The new controller includes volume and seek forward/back controls for the audio system; shortcut buttons for fast access to the most frequently used apps such as Audio, Phone, Navigation (if available) and Home; and a large center dial to operate primary features of the most frequently used apps, scroll menus and lists and select other apps to be displayed.

    Additional XT4 technologies include:

    • The 8-inch diagonal Cadillac user experience interface screen has 768p HD resolution
    • Near-Field Communication, a Cadillac-first integration, greatly improves the process of pairing a phone (if compatible) with Cadillac user experience.
    • Next-generation, 15-watt wireless charging is available and offers faster charging timesi .
    • There are four standard USB Ports and three 12-volt accessory power outletsii. Models equipped with the available navigation radio also receive an SD memory card reader in the center console.
    • The full suite of active safety features includes Surround Vision and second-generation Rear Camera Mirror (available)iii.

    XT4 DRIVING DYNAMICS
    The new Cadillac XT4’s confident, athletic appearance is complemented by great agility. It is characteristically Cadillac in refinement and responsiveness, but with a youthful edginess derived from the brand’s critically acclaimed sports sedans.

    It starts with an all-new Cadillac 2.0L Turbo engine. This advanced, power-dense inline-four-cylinder — 118.5 hp per liter — features an industry-first tripower system. The system is designed to optimize performance and efficiency by having three distinct operating modes, including high and low valve lift and Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation).

    The engine also features a twin-scroll turbocharger to enhance torque production at lower speeds, as well as direct injection, active thermal management and stop/start technologies. Output is SAE-certified at 237 hp (177 kW) and 258 lb-ft of torque (350 Nm). A nearly flat torque curve gives the XT4 surprising responsiveness throughout the engine’s RPM range.

    A nine-speed automatic transmission is paired with the new engine, helping the XT4 achieve a Cadillac-estimated 30 mpg in highway drivingiv. The vehicle also features the next generation of electronic precision shift, which features an intuitive shifting sequence.

    When it comes to channeling the XT4’s power to the pavement, a strut-type front suspension and five-link independent rear suspension are tuned to balance refinement with responsiveness. The standard Driver Select Mode allows that tuning to be adjusted on demand for different driving styles and road conditions.

    A twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system is available and offers the convenience of decoupling entirely from the rear wheels when the driver chooses, eliminating drivetrain friction.

    XT4 Sport’s available Active Sport Suspension features Continuous Damping Control and takes driving dynamics and control to a higher threshold, using electronic sensors to monitor the road in real time and making damping adjustments every 2 milliseconds.

    The XT4 is also the first Cadillac to introduce electro-hydraulic braking assist, which supplants the traditional vacuum-assisted power braking system with an electro-hydraulic system that enhances fuel economy and takes up less space under the hood.

    KEY STANDARD AND AVAILABLE FEATURES (Premium Luxury and Sport content is in addition to or in place of Luxury content)

    XT4 LUXURY

    XT4 PREMIUM LUXURY

    XT4 SPORT

    STANDARD

    STANDARD

    STANDARD

    18-in.  10-spoke alloy wheels with Bright Silver finish
    LED headlamps and taillamps
    Satin aluminum side glass moldings
    Leatherette trim
    8-way driver/6-way passenger power front seats
    Aluminum metallized interior decor
    Rotary controller
    Rear Park Assistiii
    Teen Driveriii
    Cadillac user experience
    Four USB ports
    60/40-split rear seat
    Dual-zone automatic climate control
    Adaptive Remote Start

    18-inch 10-spoke wheels with Pearl Nickel finish
    Illuminated door handles with satin chrome accents
    Front and Rear Park Assistiii
    Power-folding outside mirrors
    Satin aluminum finish on roof rails
    Leather seat surfaces
    Ambient lighting
    Wood or aluminum interior décor
    Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alertiii
    Rear Cross Traffic Alertiii
    Safety Alert Seatiii
    Auto-dimming inside mirror
    Driver’s seat memory
    Power liftgate

    18-inch 10-spoke alloy wheels with Diamond Cut/Argent Metallic finish
    LED front turn signal and cornering lamps
    Tinted neutral-density taillamp lenses
    Gloss Black finish on the front grille, side glass moldings and roof rails
    Body-color door handles
    Front and Rear Park Assistiii
    Power-folding outside mirrors
    Leatherette trim with sport accents
    Ambient lighting
    Carbon fiber or wood interior décor
    Sport steering wheel and pedals
    Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alertiii
    Rear Cross Traffic Alertiii
    Safety Alert Seatiii
    Auto-dimming inside mirror
    Driver’s seat memory
    Power liftgate

    AVAILABLE

    AVAILABLE

    AVAILABLE

    Sunroof and roof rails
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package

    Sunroof
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package
    Comfort and Convenience package
    20-inch Luxury wheels
    Driver Awareness Package
    Visibility Package
    Driver Assist Package
    Technology Package

    Sunroof
    Trailering package
    All-wheel drive
    Navigation radio and Bose audio system
    Cold weather package
    Comfort and Convenience package
    20-inch Sport wheels
    Driver Awareness Package
    Visibility Package
    Driver Assist Package
    Technology Package
    Active Sport Suspension with Continuous Damping Control

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    2019 CADILLAC XT4 PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS 
    (North American specs, as of time of publication)

    OVERVIEW

    Model

    2019 Cadillac XT4

    Body Style

    5 door, 5 passenger compact luxury SUV

    Manufacturing location

    Fairfax Assembly, Kansas City, Kansas

     

    EXTERIOR

    Wheelbase (in / mm)

    109.4 / 2779

    Overall length (in / mm)

    181.1 / 4599

    Overall width (in / mm)

    74.1 / 1881 (excluding outside rearview mirrors)

    Overall height (in / mm)

    64.1 / 1627 (including roof rails)

    Turning circle (feet)

    38.0

    Ground clearance (in / mm)

    6.7 / 171

     

    INTERIOR DIMENSIONS & CARGO VOLUME

    Seating capacity (front / rear)

    2 / 3

    Headroom
    (in / mm)

    39.4 / 1000 (front)
    38.3 / 973 (rear)

    Legroom
    (in. / mm)

    40.4 / 1026 (front)
    44.1 / 1121 (front, maximum)
    39.5 / 1004 (rear)

    Cargo volume (cu ft)

    22.5 (behind 1st row)
    48.9 (behind 2nd row)

     

    WEIGHTS & CAPACITIES

    Curb weight (lbs / kg)

    3660 / 1660 (FWD Luxury – est.)

    Max. towing capacity (lbs)

    3500 (with available towing package)

     

    CADILLAC-ESTIMATED FUEL ECONOMY

    City

    25 mpg

    Highway

    30 mpg

    Combined

    27 mpg

     

    ENGINE

    Type:

    2.0L Turbocharged I4 DOHC with Active Fuel Management, direct injection and stop/start

    Bore and stroke       (in. / mm):

    3.26 x 3.63 / 83 x 92.3

    Block material:

    Cast aluminum

    Cylinder head material:

    Cast aluminum

    Valvetrain:

    Dual overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder with tripower system

    Fuel delivery:

    Direct injection with electronic throttle control

    Horsepower             (hp / kW @ rpm):

    237 / 177 @ 5000 (SAE cert.)

    Torque
    (lb.-ft. / Nm):

    258 / 350 @ 1500-4000 (SAE cert.)

     

    TRANSMISSION

    Type:

    Hydra-Matic 9T50 nine-speed electronically controlled automatic

     

    CHASSIS & SUSPENSION

    Front Suspension:

    MacPherson strut with coil-over spring; direct-acting stabilizer bar. Active Sport Suspension with Continuous Damping Control (avail. on Sport)

    Rear Suspension:

    Five-link independent with coil springs and fully isolated cradle

    Steering Type:

    Electric variable-assist power rack-and-pinion

    Brake Type:

    Four-wheel disc with ABS; electro-hydraulic assist

    Wheel Size:

    18-in. alloy (std.)
    20-in. alloy (avail.)



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    Love the modern and yet sporty look. Interior dash is outstanding. Rear lights remind me of Volvo but have the Vertical portion to clearly state Cadillac. Engine is peppy, like the mid size version of it being between subcompact and compact.

    The dash is very nice and I like it better than the dash in the XT5, I hope they update the XT5 for next year with this dash. I see what looks like a HUD system in the shot looking down over the dash. Very cool. HUD should be standard on all Cadillacs.

    Hood with the bulge in the center tell me they could easily make a V edition or at least a V-Sport. Very impressed with what I see.

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    Looks good..not sure about the c-pillar trim--the rear door cutline is way back..from a left front pic, I thought it was a 6 light greenhouse like the XT5, but from the other photos I realized it is not.   Putting that triangle of black plastic behind the rear door upper opening always seems to come off as half-assed, too many car makers do such nonsense instead of committing to a quarter window or ending the trim at the door edge.  Rear lights when lit up kind of remind me of the CR-V (though those have more a BMW look to the horizontal sections). 

     

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    I wonder if people will complain about same sausage and different lengths since it has the same face as the XT5 and CT6, hmm...

    I think it looks good from the front, it has a bold, sharp look to it that should stand out.  With the rear end, I don't get these hockey stick shaped tail lights, the CT6 did that sideways jut out too with the taillights, what happened to classic Cadillac vertical tail lights?  This car from the rear looks like a CR-V:

    2017-Honda-CR-V-rear-unveiled.jpg

    On the inside, I like the idea behind the clean, modern, minimalist look, it is Tesla-like, the gauge cluster looks good.  So I like it in one way, but it looks rather spartan also.  The door trim looks like it belongs in a Chevy, there is a lot of plastic around the shift lever.  I'd have to sit in and and look around to be sure, but the pictures make me wonder if the people that designed it ever sat in an Audi.

    Engine is fine, 2.0T is pretty much standard operating procedure for every small lux crossover.  

    My prediction is they made it too small, and it will get compared to the X3, Q5, and GLC and the Cadillac will get criticized for having less interior room by all the car magazines and reviewers.

    Forgot to say, the price I think is a very good starting point.  They got the pricing part right, because I assume it is $34,995 with a $795 destination fee. 

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    2 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    With the rear end, I don't get these hockey stick shaped tail lights,

    That's because you are not a hoser, eh.

     

     

     

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    Less cargo room than a Volkswagen Golf, seats up or down.  I didn't realize they were going this small, I figured there would be an XT3 that was that small.

     

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    I have reservations. I really like the XT5's looks, but not so much on this one. Not a fan so far on the 'Escala' grille- it doesn't look expensive. There's a few other minor lines I would've done differently, too.

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    26 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Less cargo room than a Volkswagen Golf, seats up or down.  I didn't realize they were going this small, I figured there would be an XT3 that was that small.

     

    I could see them doing an XT3 below this.   Automakers see no end to crossovers.

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    I would think a smaller model would be inevitable.  But not Tracore small.  . I assume this is on D2XX (Equinox,  Envision, Terrain?).  Slightly longer wheelbase than those. 

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    Styling wise they did ok  but I might have thought it was a smaller Ford Edge from the side profile  caddy played it safe with styling here because they almost had to  

    interior quality will be a concern but the design of it looks good

    35k is more of a Buick price point ?

    not enough power in that 2.0 liter. Why is it detuned?

    cargo area figures seem small. Makes me wonder just how small this thing is. 

    This essentially replaces the function of the ATS. except they should make sales volume with this which will keep caddys doors open enough to sell ct6's. There's no premise of performance here and the plain styling doesn't command big prices. This becomes caddys lease special queen. If anything it should bring new customers to the brand finally. Problem is this may be cheap enough to steal what really should be buick customers. Hell if this were cheap enough I might even want one  

    Overall still i worry about why GM is overall still behind the curve in crossovers. GM needs to awake from their stupor of dumping huge $$$ on stuff like autonomous vehicles and earn back some market segments. It feels like GM has no product types in the company any more. Just 'marketing' types.  Is it stempel era again? At least the xt4 should help win some business back. It signals a pretty passionless future for Cadillac though if every thing following is this neutered. 

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    The absolutely SMASHING new Aviator (while admittedly a near production version) renders this invisible.  It's decent I guess, but the black lower perimeter cheapens the look considerably, I mean, the Buick Encore has less black textured plastic around the lower extremities than this.  I'm thinking part of the issue with that is the "sport" trim.  And the horizontal jag on the taillights takes away its Cadillac identity, forcing people to get up close to ID it.  I agree with SMK on the door trims... plain.  Not luxury.  I guess they're trying to sell a "first Cadillac" to people who don't know or care about Cadillac history.

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    The XT4 is sized between the MKC and Nautilus, while the Aviator is larger than the XT5. I thought the XT4 and XT5 were both 2 row.. seems like Lincoln is going to have 4 CUVs, while Cadillac only 2 at this point...room for an XT3 and XT7 looks like. 

    Anyway, the Aviator concept looks great, very close to a production version...great interior and lines.  I don't see a thread about it here yet. Glad to see Lincoln going with actual names instead of more pointless acronyms...wonder when the MKC will get a name. 

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    Love the looks.. Love the tail lights.. its a about time for a lil change. Love the powertrain for what it is (What it is will be a vehicle for the segment.. not an enthusiast like me) Only complaint is that they caved to the knob heads and brought back a knob when I loved touch of the CUE system so much.. if for no other reason that I am more intelligent than most

     

    Perspective.. to those talking about size.. We must remember that Cadillac is going back to its TWEENER strategy in the coming years in some categories to accommodate various customers.. and this is 

    Length
    X3 is 186 inched long
    X1 is 176 inched long
    XT4 is 181 inched long

    Price Point ($35,790) is that this starts off at X1 ($33,900) prices.. but has a size more in line with the X3 ($42,650) That being said. remember that the X3 is longer in the FRONT.. because of engine placement not because it is actually larger in usable people space. 

    What I often felt was weird before the actual debut.. was that people bitched about the engine HP.. which now seen in perspective seems again like people loving to bitch about nothin. I looked at the HP of the competitors.. and it has to be noted that the Q3, for instance has a 200 hp engine.. the NX starts with a 195hp .. GLA.. a 208 hp engine.. X1.. 228HP.. this thing has a 237HP 2.0L with torque that comes and stays.. from 1000rpm. That my friends is a stout package if weight is where it should be. Remember the 0-60 of the X1 with a 228 hp engine is 6.3.. hell a Terrain with the 252hp 2.0L is 6.8.. but its torque and power come in at 2000rpm. I have a feeling that this will match a X1 or beat it

     

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    9 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I would think a smaller model would be inevitable.  But not Tracore small.  . I assume this is on D2XX (Equinox,  Envision, Terrain?).  Slightly longer wheelbase than those. 

    I suspect so as the hard points match up with Equinox and Terrain. 

     

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    Good looking vehicle! I just wish they didn't show it in burnt orange, lol. 

    I don't understand the angle of the infotainment screen though. that looks like it would be atrocious on a sunny day. 

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    3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

    The absolutely SMASHING new Aviator (while admittedly a near production version) renders this invisible.  It's decent I guess, but the black lower perimeter cheapens the look considerably, I mean, the Buick Encore has less black textured plastic around the lower extremities than this.  I'm thinking part of the issue with that is the "sport" trim.  And the horizontal jag on the taillights takes away its Cadillac identity, forcing people to get up close to ID it.  I agree with SMK on the door trims... plain.  Not luxury.  I guess they're trying to sell a "first Cadillac" to people who don't know or care about Cadillac history.

    Completely different markets. Cadillac does not have direct competition for the Aviator yet. This matches up with the MKC in price.  That said, if this is any indicator of the future of Cadillac interiors verse Lincoln interiors, Lincoln will be making big moves on Cadillac very soon. There is nothing wrong with the XT4 interior, but it is nothing special, it could be a new Infiniti or Acura or BMW in styling.  Cadillac cannot put this kind of half-hearted effort into the new Escalade or they will end up where the Navigator was in sales for the past decade.

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    After reading what you guys have said, is this like MKC-sized then? It seems priced about that way. 

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    6 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    Good looking vehicle! I just wish they didn't show it in burnt orange, lol. 

    They have a silver one as well.  The venue they presented them in last night was terrible for this type of debut and getting pictures was hard. I'll have more up later today.  It looks better in person than in the pics, but it still doesn't knock my socks off.

    Just now, ccap41 said:

    After reading what you guys have said, is this like MKC-sized then? It seems priced about that way. 

    Yes. It's surprisingly short and sits low to the ground for a crossover. I can see over the roof easily.

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    2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    After reading what you guys have said, is this like MKC-sized then? It seems priced about that way. 

    It's kind of a tweener.  Bigger than the MKC, smaller than the Nautilus. 

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    3 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Yes. It's surprisingly short and sits low to the ground for a crossover. I can see over the roof easily.

    Wow, that's definitely smaller than I would have thought. I originally thought this was more Edge/JGC-sized but I guess that's what the XT5 is. 

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    9 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Completely different markets. Cadillac does not have direct competition for the Aviator yet. This matches up with the MKC in price.  That said, if this is any indicator of the future of Cadillac interiors verse Lincoln interiors, Lincoln will be making big moves on Cadillac very soon. There is nothing wrong with the XT4 interior, but it is nothing special, it could be a new Infiniti or Acura or BMW in styling.  Cadillac cannot put this kind of half-hearted effort into the new Escalade or they will end up where the Navigator was in sales for the past decade.

    The photos of the black/dark gray interior are uninspiring.  The design is anonymous, without the Cadillac steering wheel, I'd be hard pressed to identify the marque.  Lincoln is using interior color much better, IMO.  

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    Just now, ccap41 said:

    Wow, that's definitely smaller than I would have thought. I originally thought this was more Edge/JGC-sized but I guess that's what the XT5 is. 

    Yes, the XT5 is about the same size as the Acadia and the Acadia is just slightly larger than a JGC.

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    The photos of the black/dark gray interior are uninspiring.  Lincoln is using interior color much better, IMO.  

    Cadillac absolutely made some bad choices in the reveal of this.  Poor space in the venue, the venue is fantastic just not appropriate for this type of reveal. The colors of the vehicles. The colors of the interior.  They'll probably sell the crap out of these, but not for the quality of the initial presentation.

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    16 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    It's kind of a tweener.  Bigger than the MKC, smaller than the Nautilus. 

    If Drew can see over the roof easily and there are less cargo capacity than a Golf it's hard to believe it's any larger than an MKC. I mean I know the dimensions are larger it just seems odd.

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    13 hours ago, William Maley said:
    The overall dimensions of the XT4 - 181.1-inch overall length, 109.4-inch wheelbase, 74.1-inches wide, and 64.1-inches tall - puts it between subcompact and compact crossovers.

    Inside, Cadillac went for a modern and clean look. An 8-inch touchscreen housing the Cadillac User Experience infotainment system is standard on XT4s. Like the CT6 refresh, the XT4 will have a rotary control knob to control the system. Cargo space measures out 22.5 cubic feet with the rear seats up and 48.9 cubic feet when folded.

     

    Something with these figures don't add up, how can it be that long and have so little space?  It is the same length as a RAV4 but wider.... The Rav4 has nearly 40 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats up.  Is the rear seat cavernous?!

     

     

     

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    14 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    If Drew can see over the roof easily and there are less cargo capacity than a Golf it's hard to believe it's any larger than an MKC. I mean I know the dimensions are larger it just seems odd.

    Yeah, sounds like the interior volume maximizes passenger space over cargo space.   From the photos, it looks like there is a lot of rear legroom. 

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    Same length Rav4 with 39 cubic feet of cargo space for space comparison..  No shortage of legroom here either..

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    20 minutes ago, frogger said:

    Something with these figures don't add up, how can it be that long and have so little space?  It is the same length as a RAV4 but wider.... The Rav4 has nearly 40 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats up.  Is the rear seat cavernous?!

     

     

     

    Right???? Seems a little odd. 

    1 minute ago, frogger said:

    Same length Rav4 with 39 cubic feet of cargo space for space comparison..  No shortage of legroom here either..

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    I mean I can visually see a little difference in rear seat leg room(assuming both front seats have the same space as well). 

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    I haven't seen any photos of the XT4 cargo area inside, but looking at the exterior pics there is very little bodywork behind the rear door and rear axle..not much overhang...so the inside area behind the rear seat is pretty small I would surmise...

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    I like the styling.

    The interior is a very clean design, which is great.  Tone down the extreme glossy shine of some of the interior bits and Caddy would have something.  It is probably the primary thing about Caddy these days which spoil their interiors the most.

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    I think it will sell average, maybe better than an MKC since it is newer but not better than an NX or RDX that have that Honda/Toyota loyalty built in.  Being a small crossover and the price point will get it sales but I don’t think anything has  enough wow factor to really light up a sales chart.

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    Yeah I'm glad to see less gloss black, I would like to see a lot more contrasting material though.. In the seats, in the big piece that surrounds the ICE screen..

     

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    2 hours ago, frogger said:

    Something with these figures don't add up, how can it be that long and have so little space?  It is the same length as a RAV4 but wider.... The Rav4 has nearly 40 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats up.  Is the rear seat cavernous?!

     

     

     

    How can the CTS be 196 inches long and have a small back seat?  ATS is cramped inside, SRX was criticized for being small inside, despite being the size of a BMW X5 on the outside.  It seems to be a common theme of not maximizing interior space.

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    Some more picks at the Reveal that confirms that I like the new Dash and you can see one of the two tone interiors. Looks like the Black with Bone white.

    https://www.gettyimages.com/event/cadillac-xt4-reveal-ahead-of-the-2018-new-york-international-auto-show-775147374#the-general-motors-co-cadillac-xt4-sports-utility-vehicle-is-unveiled-picture-id938948406

    Pre-order PDF file can be grabbed here. If someone can do it and post it that would be great, my work is blocking it.

    http://cadillacsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2019-Cadillac-XT4-Order-Guide-Revised-March-24-2018.pdf

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    44 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    How can the CTS be 196 inches long and have a small back seat?  ATS is cramped inside, SRX was criticized for being small inside, despite being the size of a BMW X5 on the outside.  It seems to be a common theme of not maximizing interior space.

    There is no correlation between body length and cabin size. 

    9 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    Some more picks at the Reveal that confirms that I like the new Dash and you can see one of the two tone interiors. Looks like the Black with Bone white.

    https://www.gettyimages.com/event/cadillac-xt4-reveal-ahead-of-the-2018-new-york-international-auto-show-775147374#the-general-motors-co-cadillac-xt4-sports-utility-vehicle-is-unveiled-picture-id938948406

    Pre-order PDF file can be grabbed here. If someone can do it and post it that would be great, my work is blocking it.

    http://cadillacsociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2019-Cadillac-XT4-Order-Guide-Revised-March-24-2018.pdf

    PDF attached.

    2019-Cadillac-XT4-Order-Guide-Revised-March-24-2018.pdf

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    @Cubical-aka-Moltar Thank you for posting the PDF file. Now I can review it.

    Interesting that they have a Cadillac Connected Access 10yrs on the auto.

    Luxury, Premium and Sport are the 3 levels in this CUV.

    Plenty of USB and 12 volt outlets around the auto. That is good.

    3 different Fascia inserts depending on the model level.

    Manual rake and Telescoping Steering Column on Luxury line, Upgradable on the Premium and Sport level to a power system as part of the Tech Package. This should just be there standard from day one on a luxury level auto.

    Seems Luxury level is awfully manual for a Luxury line auto.

    Seems everyone is putting in Massage seats. Wonder how long it will last before breaking?

    Packages I would want:

    • Cold Weather Package
    • Comfort and Convenience Package
    • Technology Package
    • Cadillac user experience with Nav system for better stereo as well as Apple and Android play
    • Driver awareness package
    • Driver assist package
    • Enhanced Visibility Package
    • Active Sport Chassis
    • Trailering Provision

    Interior Seat package options are as follows:

    • Jet Black
    • Jet Black with Cinnamon Accents
    • Jet Black / Platinum
    • Light Wheat / Jet Black with Red accents
    • Sedona / Jet Black.

    Exterior Colors:

    • Crystal White Tricoat
    • Atlantic Metallic
    • Radiant Silver Metallic
    • Stellar Black Metallic
    • Shadow Metallic
    • Autumn Metallic
    • Red Horizon Tricoat

    Interesting mix of colors with trim:

    1. With Aluminum metallized trim.
    2. With Diamond Cut genuine aluminum trim.
    3. With Linear Galaxy high-gloss genuine wood trim.
    4. Requires (WPC) Comfort and Convenience Package.
    5. With Fineline Calico high-gloss genuine wood trim.
    6. With Twenty Two high-gloss genuine Carbon Fiber trim.
    7. With Morello Red high-gloss genuine Carbon Fiber trim.
    8. With Morello Red high-gloss genuine Carbon Fiber trim. Includes Jet Black accent inserts in seatback.
    9. Available at extra charge. This applies to all paints except the Radiant Silver Metallic. Interesting

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    Front 3/4 view is a knockout. Really digging the interior- clean, simple, upscale looking. And addressing CUE's shortcomings. Not a huge fan of the back, but it's not bad. In all, a quite solid effort here. 

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    Overall it looks quite nice.  I like the exterior look a lot, even the tail lights.  The interior looks simple but elegant, though I am not digging the all black with dark trim.  I saw the other pictures with the lighter lower color and that was much better but both of them had dark wood trim.  I hope they have a lighter color wood trim available.  It would brighten up the interior a bit.

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    yeah this interior isn't really moving me much. I like the package, just the front cladding and big vent opening seem a bit odd. Otherwise I think the front 3/4 is sharp, and the lighting is great.

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    What is that new Volvo small crossover? Xc40?  I sat in that at the auto show and thought it was the schizzle. And shocking people room and space. The new e pace was cool too. I sure hope caddy xt4 doesn't come off as small and Chevy cheap in comparison. 

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    3 hours ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

     

    God he annoys me so much.  Nothing about his reports... its the way he acts at the show. He has no problem pushing people out of the way or walking right in front of you when you're taking your shots.  Even for such a short clip as this, it takes him for. freaking. ever. to get all his takes in.... If I see him working at a car I immediately turn around and leave because he's probably shooting a Time-Life mini-series.

    10 hours ago, frogger said:

    Something with these figures don't add up, how can it be that long and have so little space?  It is the same length as a RAV4 but wider.... The Rav4 has nearly 40 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats up.  Is the rear seat cavernous?!

     

     

     

    It's got something to do with height.  The RAV4 is a much taller vehicle. The XT4 is not only shorter over all, but seems to sit much lower to the ground.... much more "tall hatchback" than crossover.   I already hear @dfelt complaining about the headroom... anyone taller than my 5'10" height is not going to like the back seats. The cargo room of the XT4 feels roughly the same size as my Encore.

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    12 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Completely different markets. Cadillac does not have direct competition for the Aviator yet. This matches up with the MKC in price.  That said, if this is any indicator of the future of Cadillac interiors verse Lincoln interiors, Lincoln will be making big moves on Cadillac very soon. There is nothing wrong with the XT4 interior, but it is nothing special, it could be a new Infiniti or Acura or BMW in styling.  Cadillac cannot put this kind of half-hearted effort into the new Escalade or they will end up where the Navigator was in sales for the past decade.

    Hey Drewbert.  Yes I know the XTWhatever and the Aviator are not direct competitors, I was putting them together in the context of their auto show debuts... I know if I were at that show I would need a drool bucket and someone to lean on while staring at the Aviator.  The XTWhatever, not so much.

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    I usually go all-out on sporty trim levels, but on this, I prefer the bling version.  It lends a tiny bit of Cadillacness to this thing.

     

    Not enough exterior color choices to suit me.  Back seat leg room looks fantastic though.  Usually on a small crossover like this, the rear seat headrest hits the front seatback when you fold it.

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    The XT4 has Pontiac Montana level plastic body cladding on it, I don't know what GM's obsession with this stuff is.

    Someone asked before why did they detune the engine to 237 hp.  My thoughts are that in a year or 2 we'll see a 265 hp turbo 4 on the Platinum models, as a way to persuade you to spend more money to get the extra 28 hp that should have been there in the first place.

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    My first impression is that the front-end looks like they used the Chevrolet design team.  Nothing wrong with that but on a Cadillac, it leaves me wondering why I should spend the extra money.  I despise the black trim around the wheal arches and on the lower panel.  That cheapens it.

    In general, I was really hoping for something more sporty and expensive looking.

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    On 3/28/2018 at 10:22 PM, smk4565 said:

    The XT4 has Pontiac Montana level plastic body cladding on it, I don't know what GM's obsession with this stuff is.

    Someone asked before why did they detune the engine to 237 hp.  My thoughts are that in a year or 2 we'll see a 265 hp turbo 4 on the Platinum models, as a way to persuade you to spend more money to get the extra 28 hp that should have been there in the first place.

    This 2.0T is all new and for now is a Cadillac exclusive.  More details will be released on it later, but I have an in with Cadillac and plan on getting the information ahead of time so I can release as soon as embargo is lifted.  What he did tell me is that the engine is tuned heavily towards favoring low end torque (258lb-ft at 1500rpm!!) and they plan on making full use of the 9-speed gearbox.  It should feel plenty fast.  Just like my Encore has a rather pathetic 138 lb-ft but with very low gearing in first and second, it feels just as peppy in suburban driving as cars with 160 - 180 lb-ft.  An additional 120 lb-ft and 3 additional gears with only marginally more weight... it'll be fine.

    Plastic Cladding.... only acceptable on European cars I guess. Look at all this plasticy plastic plastic.

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    It's encouraging that GM has developed a new motor here but the power specs are not as encouraging. If the torque band is lower and more punchy then I hope that bears it out. They could be releasing the all new engine in lower tune to make sure it doesn't self destruct, or it's the guinea pig for real world durability testing before it gets rolled out to other models within GM. The mpg doesn't look like it benefits from the detuning so we will just have to see what the deal is when the vehicle actually hits the street. Usually new motors match their old specs and even can improve on mpg and reliability without any detuning. 

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    1 hour ago, regfootball said:

    It's encouraging that GM has developed a new motor here but the power specs are not as encouraging.  . 

    GM already has a 2.0 turbo 4.  Isn't this the same thing already in many GM models ?  Odd that it would be 237hp in the XT4, since it is already 250-275 hp in other models.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine#LTG

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    On 3/28/2018 at 11:55 AM, smk4565 said:

    How can the CTS be 196 inches long and have a small back seat?

    The exact same way the e-class has a small back seat.

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    3 hours ago, regfootball said:

    It's encouraging that GM has developed a new motor here but the power specs are not as encouraging. If the torque band is lower and more punchy then I hope that bears it out. They could be releasing the all new engine in lower tune to make sure it doesn't self destruct, or it's the guinea pig for real world durability testing before it gets rolled out to other models within GM. The mpg doesn't look like it benefits from the detuning so we will just have to see what the deal is when the vehicle actually hits the street. Usually new motors match their old specs and even can improve on mpg and reliability without any detuning. 

    We really need to dispense with the horsepower as a benchmark thing. It's not doing any of us any favors to be fixated on it. Lots of torque, way down low, is the best, way to go.

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    True but the current 2.0 is rated as high as 295 lb ft in some applications.  The new mill doesn't crank that amount out either.  

    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    GM already has a 2.0 turbo 4.  Isn't this the same thing already in many GM models ?  Odd that it would be 237hp in the XT4, since it is already 250-275 hp in other models.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine#LTG

    No I think this engine is new. 

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    27 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I wonder why they would do an all new 2.0. What would be the point.  

    Clean sheet redesign to improve a number of engineering aspects, in all likelihood. Cadillac's not wasting money here.

    Ironically, they did the exact same thing in the '60s; the '63 390 was completely redesigned but came out with the same displacement. I believe there a major component of the redesign was to allow larger future displacements, but there were other criteria.

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    I want to see lighter interior tones and better lighting. There was probably very little breathing room for this debut. 

     

    I think the XT5 has a light brown interior option on some trims right? Where the dash, pillars, seats and doors are light brown. That is a good interior, I want to see the XT4 version of that.

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    This will actually be the third all-new 2.0t from GM. This new one has AFM.

    As we see displacements congeal around even numbers, we'll see this happen more often. 

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    Plastic on the rear bumper yeah, not all over the place.  The Q5 has way less plastic on it than an XT4.  And if Cadillac has an exclusive 4 cylinder (which is sort of a waste of R&D dollars unless it runs super quiet or something) why does it make less power than an Chevy 4-cylinder?

    Cadillac has 258 lb-ft at 1,500 rpm?

    Mercedes GLC makes 273 lb-ft at 1,300 - 4,000 rpm

    BMW X3 makes 258 lb- ft at 1,450 - 4,800 rpm

    Audi Q5 273 lb-ft at 1,600 - 4,500 rpm

    Not surprised by who has the most torque at the lowest RPM

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    3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    We really need to dispense with the horsepower as a benchmark thing. It's not doing any of us any favors to be fixated on it. Lots of torque, way down low, is the best, way to go.

    True, good thing someone is the BEST at doing that.

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    9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    True, good thing someone is the BEST at doing that.

    Still GM?

    ATS 2.0T -295 lb-ft

     

    Will you ever stop being a troll? A tuning decision is not indicative of engineering ability.

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    This will actually be the third all-new 2.0t from GM. This new one has AFM.

    As we see displacements congeal around even numbers, we'll see this happen more often. 

    i believe i read where it said this the AFM allows it to run on two cylinders?

    if an engine is redesigned, it can possibly be

    -lighter or smaller to fit in engine bay easier

    -simpler

    -cheaper

    -easier to manuf.

    -incorporate new technologies

    -more power

    -better mpg

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    2 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    i believe i read where it said this the AFM allows it to run on two cylinders?

    Could be. The new V8 can run on as few as one cylinder in a revolution.

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    There were engineering reasons for that. They added balance shafts to smooth out the previously rough engine.  Once they got that sorted out they started increasing hp again.

    Also, about 10 years ago...

    "In December 2008, GM released a Turbo Upgrade Kit for the LNF engine which increases horsepower to 290 hp (220 kW) and torque to up to 340 ft⋅lb (460 N⋅m), depending on the model. The kit retails for $650 and includes remapped engine calibration and upgraded MAP sensors. The kit is covered by the cars' existing GM warranties."

    And before you try to play the CLA/GLA43 card SMK... It took MB 10 years to catch up to and exceed the power output of a 2008 Cobalt SS.

    A tuning decision is a tuning decision. It is not a indicator of engineering ability when a company has already proven itself able. 

    Power delivery also matters and nearly every review of the CLA complains of turbo lag. So a fat lot of good that extra lb-ft is doing when it takes an extra 3 clicks of the mouse to get it.

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    11 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Still GM?

    ATS 2.0T -295 lb-ft

     

    Will you ever stop being a troll? A tuning decision is not indicative of engineering ability.

    CLA45? 355hp/332 lb-ft. 

    11 hours ago, regfootball said:

    i believe i read where it said this the AFM allows it to run on two cylinders?

    if an engine is redesigned, it can possibly be

    -simpler

    Everything else you said is probably spot on but there is no simpler engines being made anymore. Everything is more and more complex.. you even mentioned the ability to run on 2cyl..lol 

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    I know you can tune an engine to any power level (within reason) but reliability and NVH go out the window if you extract more power than you should from an engine.

    I have never driven a CLA, so I don't know what the turbo lag is like, but the M270 has a twin scroll turbo and makes 258 lb-ft @ 1,200 rpm so I can't imagine it is that bad.  And the M274 which is the sister engine to the CLA used in the C-class and GLC has very little lag and you don't really notice the turbo at all plus it won a Ward's 10 best engine award in 2017.  

    18 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    CLA45? 355hp/332 lb-ft. 

     

    375 hp/350 lb-ft now.  And that is probably going up in 2019 with the new A-class line.  Although I think it pointless to increase it.  If you want more power buy an AMG C-class.  Interesting thing is they are planning an A35 with like 300 hp which could be a sweet spot for that car.

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    23 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    CLA45? 355hp/332 lb-ft. 

     

    Read my post after that.  GM was doing 340 lb-ft from a 2.0T 10 years ago. 

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    13 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Read my post after that.  GM was doing 340 lb-ft from a 2.0T 10 years ago. 

    With a post-purchase modification. From GM or not. That's like saying the EcoBoost Mustangs are 335hp and 390 lb-ft with the Ford Performance tune for only $699. 

    Depending what you want to believe from Ford...

     

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    375 hp/350 lb-ft now.  And that is probably going up in 2019 with the new A-class line.  Although I think it pointless to increase it.  If you want more power buy an AMG C-class.  Interesting thing is they are planning an A35 with like 300 hp which could be a sweet spot for that car.

    They're still only FWD, right?  

    They already probably have some trick system to get power down but upping that more they're going to have to re-configure that out too. 

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    10 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I know you can tune an engine to any power level (within reason) but reliability and NVH go out the window if you extract more power than you should from an engine.

    I have never driven a CLA, so I don't know what the turbo lag is like, but the M270 has a twin scroll turbo and makes 258 lb-ft @ 1,200 rpm so I can't imagine it is that bad.  And the M274 which is the sister engine to the CLA used in the C-class and GLC has very little lag and you don't really notice the turbo at all plus it won a Ward's 10 best engine award in 2017.  

    375 hp/350 lb-ft now.  And that is probably going up in 2019 with the new A-class line.  Although I think it pointless to increase it.  If you want more power buy an AMG C-class.  Interesting thing is they are planning an A35 with like 300 hp which could be a sweet spot for that car.

    The NVH of the old 2.0T in the Cobalt was actually pretty good for its day. 

    Again, you don't need to take my word for it... look at all the articles regarding the turbo lag in that car

    AutoWeek - CLA Turbo Lag - Whether sport or economy mode is selected, the Mercedes always seemed to be a half-gear shy of where it should have been, and the combination of turbo lag and wonky clutch take-up makes smooth low-speed driving difficult. Once on the road there's plenty of power to get into trouble, so it's not a fundamental output issue -- rather it's a lack of refinement between the engine and transmission. 

    Cars.com - CLA Turbo LagDespite the turbocharged four-cylinder engine's stout 208 horsepower and 258 pounds-feet of torque, excessive drivetrain lag sullies the CLA250. A sustained toe on the gas can induce gratifying low-end punch, where the little Benz surges ahead even at 2,000 rpm. The problem, however, is getting to all that.

    MercedesBlog.com CLA AMG45 Turbo Lag - To obtain the high power of 381 HP and the high torque of 475 Nm, relatively small Mercedes turbo engine operates with a big turbo which delivers a maximum pressure of 1.8 bar. But a big turbo means a high inertia and a big turbo lag which you feel at full throttle.

    Car and Driver - GLA Turbo Lag - In its default Comfort mode, sluggish shifts accentuate the engine’s turbo lag

    Consumer Reports - GLA Turbo LagBut the seven-speed dual-clutch automatic is unrefined and, combined with the engine's turbo lag, makes the GLA feel lethargic despite its quick acceleration times.

    So yea, you could use sport mode all the time, but that will kill your fuel economy.  The reviews above tell me that Mercedes is still a long way off from perfecting this engine into something that is satisfying to drive on a daily basis.  I would be disappointed in Cadillac if the XT4 came out with reviews like what you see above on the GLA/CLA. 

    All Cadillac needs to do is tune it similar to the GMC Terrain and they have already beaten Mercedes.

    Car and Driver - GMC Terrain Turbo LagOur all-wheel-drive turbocharged 2.0-liter test vehicle achieved the top acceleration figures among its competitive set. Credit the Terrain’s minimal turbo lag and plentiful power, as well as the nine-speed automatic transmission’s ability to drop down a couple of gears quickly with a simple boot of the throttle.

    TruckTrend - GMC Terrain Turbo LagWith 252 hp and 260 lb-ft of torque, its output lags behind the 3.6L V-6 that was optional in the previous Terrain, but you’d never know it from behind the wheel, thanks in part to that nine-speed auto. With fleet off-the-line reflexes, minimal turbo lag, and excellent passing power, the 2.0 is a surprising engine to find in the competent—but rarely fun—compact SUV segment. 

     

    Mercedes-Benz... the best or is there a GMC in the comparison?

     

     

    5 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    With a post-purchase modification. From GM or not. That's like saying the EcoBoost Mustangs are 335hp and 390 lb-ft with the Ford Performance tune for only $699. 

    Depending what you want to believe from Ford...

     

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    Who cares? It is a dealer installed option fully supported by GM and covered by warranty.  It allows the buyer to choose a higher performance model that would require 92 octane or the more standard SS that can run on regular.  Same goes for the Mustang.   It is functionally the same choice as a CLA 250 or a CLA 43... Benz just makes two models out of it while GM lets you upgrade an existing model. (yes I know there are other upgrades on the 43 over the 250.)

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    The CLA/GLA problem sounds more from the DCT transmission which I don’t know why they use in the first place rather than the fried and true 7-speed auto that they used from 2003 - 2018, and the 9-speed has replaced it in most cars now.

    The GLC and C-class don’t have the lag and acceleration problems, a GLC300 can out accelerate a Terrain, not like it matters in that segment.  

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    33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    The CLA/GLA problem sounds more from the DCT transmission which I don’t know why they use in the first place rather than the fried and true 7-speed auto that they used from 2003 - 2018, and the 9-speed has replaced it in most cars now.

    The GLC and C-class don’t have the lag and acceleration problems, a GLC300 can out accelerate a Terrain, not like it matters in that segment.  

    Really? You don't know why they didn't use the automatic from the 2003-2018 era?

    Put on your deerstalker cap there Sherlock..... maybe you'll figure it out. 

    The question was never and is never about raw performance in these crossovers. It is about drivability around town the way 99.9999999% of people use them.  A jumpy, laggy engine transmission combo is not going to be as satisfying as one with low lag and no jumpiness.  

    The XT4 will do better than the GLA there and still have plenty of scoot. 

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    18 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    The XT4 will do better than the GLA there and still have plenty of scoot. 

    I'd assume you're correct but those are just guesses at this point as we're talking transmissions now and nobody has driven this XT4 matched to the brand new engine. 

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    Just now, ccap41 said:

    I'd assume you're correct but those are just guesses at this point as we're talking transmissions now and nobody has driven this XT4 matched to the brand new engine. 

    The 9-speed has largely been fine in everything I've driven with it. I highly doubt that it will be less good than the Terrain 2.0t. Cadillac has to do literally nothing to the GMC tuning to make it top notch.  If there is anything about this engine has a question mark next to it, it would be the active fuel management. 

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    Just now, Drew Dowdell said:

    The 9-speed has largely been fine in everything I've driven with it. I highly doubt that it will be less good than the Terrain 2.0t. Cadillac has to do literally nothing to the GMC tuning to make it top notch.  If there is anything about this engine has a question mark next to it, it would be the active fuel management. 

    I bet there is actually quite a bit of tuning that goes into it because the new 2.0T doesn't have the same exact outputs and outputs at a given rpm.

    I'm not doubting they will do a fine job, just saying it's a new combo that nobody has driven yet. 

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    1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

    I bet there is actually quite a bit of tuning that goes into it because the new 2.0T doesn't have the same exact outputs and outputs at a given rpm.

    I'm not doubting they will do a fine job, just saying it's a new combo that nobody has driven yet. 

    You're absolutely right that I am making assumptions here. I think I'm justified though.  GM is already starting from a great position with the 9-speed, so any adjustments are likely to be minor.  Plus, front wheel drive automatics are a GM specialty. They've been doing it, and doing it well, for longer than just about anyone in the business.  

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Really? You don't know why they didn't use the automatic from the 2003-2018 era?

    Put on your deerstalker cap there Sherlock..... maybe you'll figure it out. 

    The question was never and is never about raw performance in these crossovers. It is about drivability around town the way 99.9999999% of people use them.  A jumpy, laggy engine transmission combo is not going to be as satisfying as one with low lag and no jumpiness.  

    The XT4 will do better than the GLA there and still have plenty of scoot. 

    I always figured they used the DCT for fuel economy as the CLA gets 38 mpg highway and doing some digging I found Mercedes said the DCT had a 9% fuel economy gain of the previous A-class.  But the 7G-Tronic torque converter automatic is a better transmission even if it is heavier and not as good on gas, it has driveability.   

    XT4 is 9 inches longer than a GLA, 1 inch shorter than a GLC.   And you can get 503 hp in a GLC for plenty of scoot.

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    4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    I always figured they used the DCT for fuel economy as the CLA gets 38 mpg highway and doing some digging I found Mercedes said the DCT had a 9% fuel economy gain of the previous A-class.  But the 7G-Tronic torque converter automatic is a better transmission even if it is heavier and not as good on gas, it has driveability.   

    XT4 is 9 inches longer than a GLA, 1 inch shorter than a GLC. 

    The 7G-Tronic is a longitudinal transmission, not a transverse transmission.  If Mercedes couldn't design and build a decent front wheel drive transmission, they should have contacted the experts over at GM. 

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    I don't get why they went with that DCT, vs doing a transverse 7G-Tronic.  Older A-classes had a CVT, no doubt that sucked.  Perhaps they will refine the DCT for the next generation A-class/GLA/GLB/CLA, but like I said I never drove a CLA to know what it is like.  The 7G-Tronic is near telepathic, and I am sure the new 9 is even better.

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    Well, first impressions have come and gone, and my opinion has softened on this little buggy.  It could be cool I guess.  As far as I can tell, Cadillac's colourizer tool features the base model, with base wheels.  It's a bit meh as portrayed in CGI, but the higher trims might be hotter looking.  The XC40 looks like an athletic shoe, where the XT4... something sensible with a low heel.

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    I saw a Nissan Titan today (the new one) and it made me think of the XT4.  Because Nissan didn't really do anything ground breaking to steal sales off the established Silverado and F150, and I see the XT4 as the same, way.  It can easily get lost in the shuffle of all these other entry lux crossovers.  The Germans are the establishment, Lexus has that core buyer base, the new Volvos have the looks and the powertrain, I don't see Cadillac's big advantage.

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    Of course; once Cadillac becomes competitive, the bar is automatically raised to "GROUNDBREAKING".
    Someone must be nervous their usual bar for the XT4 (sales volume) is too likely to be strong like the XT5 has been.

    There is no 'groundbreaking' in the CUV segment in any price tier. What- falcon wing doors??

    Please.

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    The XT5 outsells all of the Germans in its price class and all but one of the Japanese and it's not groundbreaking either... Nor is any of the competition.  All the XT4 needs to do is duplicate that.

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    11 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    I saw a Nissan Titan today (the new one) and it made me think of the XT4.  Because Nissan didn't really do anything ground breaking to steal sales off the established Silverado and F150, and I see the XT4 as the same, way.  It can easily get lost in the shuffle of all these other entry lux crossovers.  The Germans are the establishment, Lexus has that core buyer base, the new Volvos have the looks and the powertrain, I don't see Cadillac's big advantage.

    I mean they kind of did.. They made a 2/3 heavy duty with a 5.0 Cummins.

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    On 4/2/2018 at 7:50 PM, ocnblu said:

    Well, first impressions have come and gone, and my opinion has softened on this little buggy.  It could be cool I guess.  As far as I can tell, Cadillac's colourizer tool features the base model, with base wheels.  It's a bit meh as portrayed in CGI, but the higher trims might be hotter looking.  The XC40 looks like an athletic shoe, where the XT4... something sensible with a low heel.

    Actually I think the colourizer tool features the Sport trim with the base Sport wheels.

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    XT5 and SRX have done well because they are GM's only crossover that fits a slot like the Edge is in. Large, 2 row crossover. Chevy badly misses an edge competitor. Buick could use one also. Cadillac benefits because they can still make decent profit and volume by there being no Chevy or buick clone. But the market to me dictates they should have had them yesterday. I saw that GM may ditch the impala. I think it's an opportunity to move the impala nameplate to a crossover, as large as he Edge, maybe longer. A little more sleek and sporty. Malibu should gain 4" in length to the backseat and add some roof height and offer v6. Then give buick an impala clone also. 

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    32 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    XT5 and SRX have done well because they are GM's only crossover that fits a slot like the Edge is in. Large, 2 row crossover. Chevy badly misses an edge competitor. Buick could use one also. Cadillac benefits because they can still make decent profit and volume by there being no Chevy or buick clone. But the market to me dictates they should have had them yesterday. I saw that GM may ditch the impala. I think it's an opportunity to move the impala nameplate to a crossover, as large as he Edge, maybe longer. A little more sleek and sporty. Malibu should gain 4" in length to the backseat and add some roof height and offer v6. Then give buick an impala clone also. 

    Acadia = Edge

     

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    1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Acadia = Edge

     

    That's a 3-row SUV and is 5.5 inches longer.

    After looking them up... It seems to split the Explorer and Edge almost perfectly.

    Edge: 188.1in

    Acadia: 193.6in

    Explorer: 198.3

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    9 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    That's a 3-row SUV and is 5.5 inches longer.

    After looking them up... It seems to split the Explorer and Edge almost perfectly.

    Edge: 188.1in

    Acadia: 193.6in

    Explorer: 198.3

    Acadia is only an optional 3-row.  In terms of overall bulk, they feel pretty darn close. Most of that 5.5 inches lost would be in the cargo area, so to the passengers, they'll feel largely the same.  Edge, Grand Cherokee, Acadia, Murano, all sit roughly in the same space. 

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    Chevy needs an Edge sized crossover, hopefully that is what their version of the Acadia/XT5 is.  

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    One thing I've noticed in pics is how short and stubby the rear of the XT4 looks.  Hopefully it looks more substantial in person.  

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    5 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Acadia = Edge

     

    No,

    a- it's a three row

    b- it looks like a truck not a sporty crossover

    c- its a GMC not a chevy

    acadia is now something that is supposed to appeal to someone who either likes grand cherokees, or 2005 trailblazer / envoy / ascender / rainier / saab 9-7x

    we don't need another trucklike crossover.

    Chevy needs to go the X4/X6 / panamera / Merc GLC / Ford Edge / Acura ZDX sorts of looks.  LARGE front and second row.  huge trunk.  No need for three rows.  

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Chevy needs an Edge sized crossover, hopefully that is what their version of the Acadia/XT5 is.  

    see above ^^^^

    the edge is the gold standard IMO for accessible priced 2 row sporty crossover that basically replaces the sedan.  I would sex it up a little more and slap the Impala badge on it.  

     

    Plus, they ruined the Acadia, it's ugly now

    23 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    One thing I've noticed in pics is how short and stubby the rear of the XT4 looks.  Hopefully it looks more substantial in person.  

    basically they stretched the wheelbase relative to length, gave it to rear leg room, and the trunk area will probably be shorter..

     

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    I think "neutral density" taillights went out of style before Lexus stopped using them on the U.S. version of the Toyota Altezza.  But I see where the base and super luxury versions of the XT4 use red taillights.  Much nicer.  I think the Sport maybe should have gone with a dark lens... not a clear one.

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    29 minutes ago, regfootball said:

    Chevy needs to go the X4/X6 / panamera / Merc GLC / Ford Edge / Acura ZDX sorts of looks. 

    [pic of, I think, BMW X4]

    Well let's look at the hard data here in this left field fantasy.
    March 2018 X4 sales : 513 units.
    March 2018 Edge sales : 13,919 units.

    Chevy has this sporty lil CUV within 1 inch of an X4. It's called 'Equinox'.

    March 2018 Equinox sales : 31,940 units.

    Obviously, that's a real, tangible problem. By all means- spend 100 million, stretch it 4 inches, make it the amorphous and infinitely definable 'sleeker', and, you know; watch the sales sink like a stone... but 12 people FEEL BETTER about this new Equinox.... I guess because it's more like vehicles that far fewer people want to buy. Good Plan.

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    The Equinox is not anything close to total interior space compared to the Edge.

     

    The Equinox is COMPACT

    An Impala sized crossover would be wider and longer than the Captiva 2.0 (Equinox) and would get back sales the Impala sedan is losing to other crossovers, like the ford edge

     

     

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    There was an article last year about another Chevy CUV, between the Nox and Traverse...haven't heard anything more since then. 

     

     

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    1 hour ago, regfootball said:

    The Equinox is not anything close to total interior space compared to the Edge.

    You mentioned 'looks' multiple times and included exterior pics, and never mentioned interior space comparisons with those other SUVs. I responded accordingly.

    Edge has a long wheelbase and is fairly wide, but most of the other SUVs you posted exterior shots/no interior dimensions LOSE interior space relatively speaking, so my question is: which do you want?

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    I like the idea of the Ford Edge because it is relatively large with two-row seating and sporty looks.  I think it looks more mature and masculine than the Nissan Murano, a direct competitor.

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    Murano is where Pontiac would be had they lived and continued their over wrought styling, but since nissan isn't a domestic brand, it's uncool to bag on them for design.

    Edge is pleasant, but it's certainly not sporty looking. I liked the MCE 1st gen, looked at them back when new.

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