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Prius Troubles

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Even with tire chains they're USELESS in the snow.

I love it. The power of FWD coupled with PERMANENT traction control and Toyota stupidity. :lol:

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007/02/02/ove...-stuck-in-snow/

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They should release an AWD Prius. That coupled with the new EPA ratings and it should get about 35/40 EPA mileage, which would be more realistic anyway.

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Not jumping to any conclusions, but one well known fact, for YEARS, has always been how extremely oversensitive Toyota makes their traction and stability control programs, to the level that it sometimes is even hard to drive normally on a gravel driveway. Not always the case, and seems better now, but it's definitely been an issue.

Couple that with what is, really, quite a featherlight of a car, and standard low resistance tires, and you're going to have some traction issues.

BUT, again, all that said, it's not everyone, and I have a friend with an '04 that's driven it through everything, and never had an issue--and still loves the car.

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I just love the holier-than-thou attitude: "we know what's best for you and sometimes what's best for you is not getting out of your driveway"

:cussing:

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CaddyCruiser has it right. People should have put the pieces together and realized the Prius wasn't going to be the best car to drive in the snow. Then again, my Grand Prix was horrible in the snow and it wasn't light and didn't have low resistance tires.

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"A vehicle without TRAC in those conditions," Kwon said. "would probably just start spinning in place and eventually spin out of control. In my opinion, it's better to have the vehicle stop then to have the wheels spinning and out of control."

What an idiot. Any driver with an ounce of skill and a little brain power can handle a car on slippery roads, especially if it's not going fast. I'd be pissed if the car refused to move because it was a little slippery. I drive the Prizm and the Shadow throw snow, if they get stuck I turn the wheels as I go or put it in reverse, get traction, and go again. It''s not that hard and it's a lot better than not being able to do anything because your car won't let you.

Oh and dumbass, there's a difference between traction control and forcing your car to not move.

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Toyota insists the system works as intended, and spokesman Bill Kwon believes without it, drivers would still be stuck.

AHHHHH Classic Toyota arrogance. STFU Toyota. GFY.

"When my car is on any kind of slick surface that causes one of the front wheels to slip, all power to the drive system is stopped," Prius owner Christopher of Reston, Virginia told ConsumerAffairs.

He said his first experience with the problem was "on a sloped gravel driveway in July but discounted it as a temporary thing."

When snow fell, the problem became apparent. "This past weekend I was on a snow-covered road with about an 8- to 10-degree grade. Driving at 20 miles per hour, one tire began to slip on the snow and the car came to a stop. The wheels then refused to engage, because one would slip a little, regardless of throttle position," he wrote.

Well, DUMBASS, maybe you should have done your product research before you bought that overhyped crackerbox.

Typical Toyota lemming.

I've had a couple instances with my 500 and my inclined driveway where I was not able to get up due to the traction control kicking in. i shut it off and I can spin the wheels like normal and I can get up. The trac works beautifully on a long sloped incline where you need to make it smooth and steady and you get a bit of a head start that you can't always get with your driveway. the car stays straight and you barely notice its working. But sometimes if the weather is too inclement, then the trac becomes useless so its nice to shut it off.

I love how just now people are finally realizing there is no such thing as a 'no compromises car'. they all thought Jesus Christ the second (TOYOTA) had created a 60mpg miracle that would do everything their SUV, van, car, and fuel sipper would do, all in one package. Well, no $h! sherlock, if you drive a "60" mpg car, there's a good chance it will suck at many other things and it will be way too light. My old prizm was crappy in snow too. Too light.

I love how the idiot in the article was telling this to Consumer Affairs. Cry like a baby to the consumer mags, aren't they the same mags you sent your owner survey too with glowing reports...you know, the mags that created the toyota 'legacy'? SHEESH.

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GM has this neat thing in the CTS called "snow mode". I think it originally started on the Catera. Anyway, in snow mode the car starts in 3rd gear rather than first. This has the effect of lowering the torque to the rear wheels. This, combined with traction control disable <when needed> gives this RWD car the ability to get through most situations even here in hilly Western PA.

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GM has this neat thing in the CTS called "snow mode". I think it originally started on the Catera. Anyway, in snow mode the car starts in 3rd gear rather than first. This has the effect of lowering the torque to the rear wheels. This, combined with traction control disable <when needed> gives this RWD car the ability to get through most situations even here in hilly Western PA.

While not necessarily labeled as "snow mode," I know the last gen. F-bodies and the GMT800's started in 2nd if you chose that gear with the selector, or had a switch (I've only seen this in some Firebirds) you could flip to force the car to start in 2nd.

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While not necessarily labeled as "snow mode," I know the last gen. F-bodies and the GMT800's started in 2nd if you chose that gear with the selector, or had a switch (I've only seen this in some Firebirds) you could flip to force the car to start in 2nd.

My Camaro had an "SGS" (Second Gear Start) switch in it, along with traction control programmed into the ECM (all 3.8 A4s had this).

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Interesting... I live on Long Iceland in the winter and in 3 years I've never had a problem driving my friend's Prius in the snow or ice.

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Cadillac's systems seem to be about as good as they get... my Infiniti Q45's

system sucks. Honestly from the sound of the article my Infiniti's system is

almost as bad, but with one huge difference: I can turn it off COMPLETELY.

The other day I turned it off and got a running start up our steep driveway

and pretty much powerslid into my spot. The Datsun is a stick and it does

not have any B.S. electronics like ETC or what not.

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Yup.... Toyotas use it as as an anti-friction catalist in order to slide into unsuspecting Oldsmobiles. :ph34r:

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You know, the driveway at our house had some ice on it a week or so back and all I did was get a little bit of a running start with my Impala, kick the traction system off and poured on the power. It climbed the hill, tires spinning the whole way, but the point is, it climbed the hill.

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Well, no &#036;h&#33; sherlock, if you drive a "60" mpg car, there's a good chance it will suck at many other things and it will be way too light. My old prizm was crappy in snow too. Too light.

The Prius weighs in at a hefty 2900+ lbs. That isn't exactly light. However I bet a fair amount of that weight it is the back, throwing off the weight distribution (for a FWD car, 60/40 is usually pretty good, I bet the Prius is closer to 50/50).

Low resistance tires probably don't help.

For comparison, my Integra weighs in at 2700 lbs abouts. Even before I got new tires, it did fine in the snow. With my new Kumho Ecsta ASX's, this season was a breeze, even though we got snow twice.

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I love the fact that I can shut the TC off in the woman's Alero

"A vehicle without TRAC in those conditions would probably just start spinning in place and eventually spin out of control"

LMAO!! What a way to beat around the bush! Mmm, so I guess they are saying the Prius could spin out of control at will... WOW

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Low resistance tires probably don't help.

Excellent point.

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I saw this happen on my way to work today. We had snow packed roads which caused the prius to stop dead in it's tracks. PIECE O CRAP!

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The Prius weighs in at a hefty 2900+ lbs. That isn't exactly light. However I bet a fair amount of that weight it is the back, throwing off the weight distribution (for a FWD car, 60/40 is usually pretty good, I bet the Prius is closer to 50/50).

prius weight distribution is 59%/41%.

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So much for that theory. :P

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Well, any person that stops to think about knows that if it's winter time and snowy in your area, you should probably get snow tires. Any car with stock tires that aren't meant to handle snow is likely going to have problems.

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