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for her age, McCain's wife ...is attractive, right?

now his VP... attractive, right?

is this a trend? should we be surprised?

who else is out there as women in "power" are in this league too?

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My friend was commenting yesterday about how hot McCain's daughter is.

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Meh...looks like a typical Scottsdale blonde....I don't care for blondes..too generic. Brunettes and redheads are more my taste..

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Apparently, Palin's (17) is pregnant now.

Yes, which is hilarious, since the social conservatives in the party's base are always preaching about chastity and saving one's self for marriage. I've never understood the social conservatives--prudish about sex, but obsessed with guns.

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Yes, which is hilarious, since the social conservatives in the party's base are always preaching about chastity and saving one's self for marriage. I've never understood the social conservatives--scared to death of sex, but obsessed with guns.

True Social Conservatives (ie Goldwater era Conservatives) are all about not getting in others way as long as they aren't hurting anybody (Goldwater himself was pro Homosexuals in the Military, pro choice etc, and said once that Jerry Falwell aught to be kicked in the ass...) Religious zealots who hijacked the Republican party and the term "Social Conservative". In my world Religious special interest groups won't be allowed to dictate the platform of a party.

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Yes, which is hilarious, since the social conservatives in the party's base are always preaching about chastity and saving one's self for marriage. I've never understood the social conservatives--scared to death of sex, but obsessed with guns.

i don't know about that. i know several conservatives that are not afraid of sex...they have more than 1 child. but you're talk about one's offspring... again, sarah has what, 5 or 6 children.

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Her daughter's pregnancy is none of our business, and I can't help thinking that we'd all be better off not knowing such a private thing about other people's daughters.

That said, I will never understand the agenda of the religious right.

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Families should be off limits, the Bush twins drinking thing a few years ago should have never made the news. Its just the tabloid mentality this nation has. The religious right has taken the Republican party off the deep end, McCain/Palin isn't going to do anything to bring it back.

I just find it amazing that there are stories everywhere about Palin's daughter, but nary a word about the ethics investigation she's under in Alaska. You know there is something when a Republican-led legislature brings a special investigator in to look at a Republican governor for abuse of power.

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Families should be off limits, the Bush twins drinking thing a few years ago should have never made the news. Its just the tabloid mentality this nation has. The religious right has taken the Republican party off the deep end, McCain/Palin isn't going to do anything to bring it back.

I just find it amazing that there are stories everywhere about Palin's daughter, but nary a word about the ethics investigation she's under in Alaska. You know there is something when a Republican-led legislature brings a special investigator in to look at a Republican governor for abuse of power.

Agreed on the families and the tabloid mentality, but as to that investigation, that might be a case of payback for her exposure of other corrupt Republicans. I think she ticked-off the good 'ol boy network.

Her positions on social issues disturb me, but she seems to have an overall honesty about her.

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Agreed on the families and the tabloid mentality, but as to that investigation, that might be a case of payback for her exposure of other corrupt Republicans. I think she ticked-off the good 'ol boy network.

Her positions on social issues disturb me, but she seems to have an overall honesty about her.

She has the huntin', fishin', gun worshipin' credentials that will appeal to the rural folk, I think...but isn't remotely qualified to be VP, IMHO.

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One thing I have to give Bush credit for, he picked a running mate with Washington experience who could ease concerns. Cheney may be evil, but he was wholly qualified for the job.

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This shouldn't matter nor effect her campigen. Just like Obama being born when his mom was only 18. As I always say what the hell does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

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The hits keep coming for Palin. So far this weekend:

-Her mother-in-law said she brings nothing to the ticket besides being a conservative woman.

-Her husband's 20-something year old DWI became public.

-Her unwed teenage daughter's pregnancy became public.

-It was discovered that she was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, which is hell bent on getting Alaska to secede from the union.

Ok, so she's attractive and appeals to the base, but couldn't McCain have dug a little deeper? All this is withing 4 days of her being announced.

While none of this (except maybe the AIP part) should matter, it will to the voters.

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The hits keep coming for Palin. So far this weekend:

-Her mother-in-law said she brings nothing to the ticket besides being a conservative woman.

-Her husband's 20-something year old DWI became public.

-Her unwed teenage daughter's pregnancy became public.

-It was discovered that she was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, which is hell bent on getting Alaska to secede from the union.

Ok, so she's attractive and appeals to the base, but couldn't McCain have dug a little deeper? All this is withing 4 days of her being announced.

While none of this (except maybe the AIP part) should matter, it will to the voters.

Well since I can't sleep I will comment. - I'm loving it.

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attractive mature young girl, this stuff happens. i can only imagine how many young boys were trying to get with that.

to some degree the repubs need to stop being the moral majority becuase when this happens, it makes them lok a bit hypocritical. at the same time, the appearance i get is of a tight knit family that despite typical issues like this that occur in every family, they have their $h! together for the most part and will handle this life change in a supportive way.

my question would be, did you use birth control, or maybe its none of my business....and we all know that the main goal of many young boys is simply to find attractive girls like that and attempt to have sex with them. we always blame the women, but until we start cutting off some young boys' tools, its equal fault in my book.

we all focus on who gets caught, when we should be focusing on can we simply abstain or at least use birth control as much as possible? Boys that age will hump just about anything, can't we try to talk them into humping something besides an ovulating girl? can we at least say the classic bj is an appropriate substitute to the honey pot?

As much of Palin is getting exposed, at least she doesn't appear to be a big fricking useless joke on society like Hillary.

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Boys that age (AND EVEN OLDER) will hump just about anything, can't we try to talk them into humping something besides an ovulating girl? can we at least say the classic bj is an appropriate substitute to the honey pot?

As much of Palin is getting exposed, at least she doesn't appear to be a big fricking useless joke on society like Hillary.

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:unitedstates: REG for President, REG for President!!!!! :unitedstates:

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As much of Palin is getting exposed, at least she doesn't appear to be a big fricking useless joke on society like Hillary.

Don't be dissin' Hillary..she's infinitely more qualified than a right winger NRA hockey mom from nowheresville...

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satty, i don't think being part of the AIP should be a problem, unless you subscribe to the union is holy and nothing shall break it, civil war idea.

and it's near impossible to find politicians of any age without a mark in their past, sometime. sadly being human/imperfect is what we are all...<here comes PCS comment> LOL

lots of things are just "tabloid issues"...but when everything is that way, we can miss the truly disturbing failings of one's character.

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Don't be dissin' Hillary..she's infinitely more qualified than a right winger NRA hockey mom from nowheresville...

infinity x (what sounds like 0) = 0. :lol:

you know, "the hill", i heard she was a conservative way back when... but i have no links a.t.m. to that idea.

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Loki, why would you ever think I was perfect? I did make one mistake once, a long, long time ago! :smilewide:

being born? OOHHHHH!!!! in your face, sup now?!! :lol:

edit: i didn't say that, i just think you like to comment on truths being very silly, or comment on the silly, being even more silly.

taking the silly to the sexual level is what Satty is here for.

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Yes, which is hilarious, since the social conservatives in the party's base are always preaching about chastity and saving one's self for marriage. I've never understood the social conservatives--prudish about sex, but obsessed with guns.

i forgot to comment on the second part more fully, and editing my earlier post would not help.

it's about respecting life. sex - the ramifications of unwanted responsibilities even if both parties were "being safe". the only 100% guaranteed way to not get pregnant is abstinence. guns.. self protection... "don't try to injure me, or you might not live to see another day, so just stay back if you're hostile"

prudish, maybe, but it's another thing to totally disregard, block out, the natural curiosity of "younger adults".

people do like to tell other people what to do too much.

..........what has this thread turned into??!!! look out for the admins/mods, they're coming!!!!!!! :lol: yep, any minute now.. hehe

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>>"She has the huntin', fishin', gun worshipin' credentials that will appeal to the rural folk, I think...but isn't remotely qualified to be VP, IMHO."<<

>>"Don't be dissin' Hillary..she's infinitely more qualified than a right winger NRA hockey mom from nowheresville..."<<

Whoa. The 'hockey mom' is infinitely more qualified than a radical socialist left winger with 6 months federal experience, who never had to make an executive decision in his entire life. At least she's accomplished positive things in her career... as opposed to..... nothingsville.

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I just see a small problem when a person who is a heartbeat away from being the leader of the union was once (and for all we know, still is) part of a group that wants to partially dissolve that union. Hell, here there is a video clip of a party official saying AIP members should "infiltrate" the major parties.This isn't really a minor blemish, this is a woman who is associated with extremist right wingers.

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I just see a small problem when a person who is a heartbeat away from being the leader of the union was once (and for all we know, still is) part of a group that wants to partially dissolve that union. Hell, here there is a video clip of a party official saying AIP members should "infiltrate" the major parties.This isn't really a minor blemish, this is a woman who is associated with extremist right wingers.

Yes... Satty feels the same way I do. We have separatists in Canada (for the succession of Quebec). We let them have their opinions, but would we want them to run the country? NO.

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the idea of self determination, brought up in the The Treaty of Versailles, has been behind these movements. i think.

AIP on wiki.

The Alaskan Independence Party maintains that Alaska's vote for statehood is "invalid" because "the people were not presented with the range of options available to them" and because "federal government has since breached the contract for statehood".
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Anyone and everyone these days get sh*t dug up on them. Its a fact of life.

Generally, that stuff happens BEFORE being offered the job of Vice President.

This isn't about Palin at all. This is McCain's first Presidential decision. He needed to pick someone who was a suitable vice president for a 74 year old 5 time face cancer survivor.

Palin is the Governor of a state with a total population equal to that of Nashville Tennessee; less than the population Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located. In that one regard, Dan Onorato, Allegheny County's Executive is more qualified than Palin to be Vice President.

Palin was mayor of a town of 6,000..... less than most small state colleges.

Palin has fired or attempted to fire anyone who opposes her. Including a the well respected city librarian who refused to remove books from the library that Palin found offensive. Remind you of anyone?

From Lincoln though Clinton, Americans have frequently been willing to gamble on a relatively inexperienced President, exchanging some assurances of near-term readiness for longer-term upside (what might be described as "vision"). But the optimal skill set for a vice president is somewhat different. "Vision" hardly matters; a vice president taking over for a president will not get to name his own cabinet, and will initially at least be left to execute upon somebody else's agenda. Instead, the readiness component is rendered more important.

In a perfect world, we would all like a president who is Ready on Day One ™; it is not uncommon for a newly-elected president to face a major crisis almost immediately upon taking office. But more commonly, a president takes the Oath of Office under relatively calm waters, allowing them something of a learning curve.

On the other hand, when a vice president takes over for a president, the nation is necessarily undergoing a crisis, because the death (or resignation) of a president is perhaps as traumatic an event as can reasonably be imagined (in the "best" case resulting from a slowly-developing illness, and the worst, an attack by terrorists or foreign adversaries).

This picture embodies what is perhaps the essential difference between the qualifications for the presidency and the qualifications for the vice presidency.

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Generally, that stuff happens BEFORE being offered the job of Vice President.

This isn't about Palin at all. This is McCain's first Presidential decision. He needed to pick someone who was a suitable vice president for a 74 year old 5 time face cancer survivor.

Palin is the Governor of a state with a total population equal to that of Nashville Tennessee; less than the population Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located. In that one regard, Dan Onorato, Allegheny County's Executive is more qualified than Palin to be Vice President.

Palin was mayor of a town of 6,000..... less than most small state colleges.

Palin has fired or attempted to fire anyone who opposes her. Including a the well respected city librarian who refused to remove books from the library that Palin found offensive. Remind you of anyone?

Bingo... doesn't matter what political party, she is totally unqualified to be president. This makes McCain's judgment look very poor---the Repubs have many more qualified women--Christine Todd Whitman, for example? Or men--why not Tom Ridge? Mitt Romney?

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Bingo... doesn't matter what political party, she is totally unqualified to be president. This makes McCain's judgment look very poor---the Repubs have many more qualified women--Christine Todd Whitman, for example? Or men--why not Tom Ridge? Mitt Romney?

Whitman is too pro-Polar bear and anti-drilling.

Ridge is too pro-choice.

Romney makes McCain look poor by comparison.

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the idea of self determination, brought up in the The Treaty of Versailles, has been behind these movements. i think.

AIP on wiki.

There is also a Hawaiian sovereignty movement, it consists of organizations and individuals seeking some form of sovereignty for Hawaii. Generally, the movement's focus is on self-determination and self-governance for people of whole or part Native Hawaiian ancestry or, in some cases, for "Hawaiian nationals", without regard to race or ancestry. In some instances the focus also includes redress from the United States for the 1893 overthrow of Queen Lili'uokalani, and for what is seen as a prolonged military occupation beginning in 1898 with the annexation of the Republic of Hawaii to the United States, and continuing until the present day. The movement generally views both the overthrow and annexation as illegal, and holds the U.S. government responsible for these actions.

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_sovereignty_movement

Aloha Y'all! :smilewide:

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Generally, that stuff happens BEFORE being offered the job of Vice President.

This isn't about Palin at all. This is McCain's first Presidential decision. He needed to pick someone who was a suitable vice president for a 74 year old 5 time face cancer survivor.

Palin is the Governor of a state with a total population equal to that of Nashville Tennessee; less than the population Allegheny County where Pittsburgh is located. In that one regard, Dan Onorato, Allegheny County's Executive is more qualified than Palin to be Vice President.

Palin was mayor of a town of 6,000..... less than most small state colleges.

Palin has fired or attempted to fire anyone who opposes her. Including a the well respected city librarian who refused to remove books from the library that Palin found offensive. Remind you of anyone?

In addition to all that, I find it odd how McCain chose someone he had only met with once. What if they're completely not compatible with each other?

IMO this was a very short-term political decision, a gimmick made to sway Clinton supporters.

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Anyone notice there has been no media coverage of Obama since Palin was announced? I guess if McCain wanted some media time, it worked. Unfortunately for him, there is nothing about Palin or any of the subsequent news that is going to sway undecided voters to his side.

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The difference here is a scary one: the Democrats have their total neophyte at the TOP of their ticket. The Republicans have theirs at the bottom. Obama is nothing but pretty words. His proposals all suck assholes. You guys don't know &#036;h&#33;.
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She's pretty hot. I'm sure that'll sway some people.

Horny, middle aged men aren't a big enough demographic to give McCain a jump in the polls. Palin was brought in to appeal to women, specifically Hillary voters. She's conservative enough to appeal to the 20-30% of people who still think Bush is competant, and she lacks a penis, which McCain hopes will bring in the 18 million people who voted for Clinton. I really doubt that will happen, because I'm willing to bet most of those voters had at least some idealogical reason for voting for Hillary, since Palin is the complete opposite of Clinton on just about every issue possible, she's not going to pull anyone in. Besides, nobody votes for the VP, they vote for the name on top. McCain really needed to pick someone closer to the center if he wanted to win, because (as has been noted above) he's 72 and has had cancer. Palin will never win a presidential election, she makes Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul look moderate, the big question is, will people be comfortable with her inheriting the job, because the odds are that she will.

Obama, on the other hand, went with someone who has been a Senator longer than McCain and doesn't have a far-left record.His only real blemish is that he says dumb things at bad times. Biden, like Palin, will never win a presidential election, he cant get the mainstream recognition that an Obama or a Clinton or a McCain or a Guilani could get because he doesn't have the high profile history. Plus, he's inda old.

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The top of the ticket is all that matters, and it is no contest for people with more than half a brain. McCain 2008. Obama is hot air and nothing more. Anyone who buys his bull&#036;h&#33; will rue the day if he becomes president. Mark my words.
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Speaking of Senator Clinton, I was very Anti-Hillary in this election, so much so, that I donated heavily to her Democratic political opponent (I gave the legal limit).

However after watching her concession speech in D.C., seeing her and Bill Clinton's speeches at the DNC, and also seeing how much she is doing for Obama. I will vote for her for President at some future time, should she decide to run again. She has been nothing but Grace Under Fire, since she ended her campaign. I sent an E-Mail telling her as much today. So see political views can and do change, at least for me they do.

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Over the last 7.5 years, I've seen people I care about have their lives go to &#036;h&#33; because of the "strong" economy. These are people who were unable to live comfortably working 2 jobs because of the cost of health insurance and health care. People who had to drop out of college because the costs went up but government loans became less obtainable and other forms of financial aid became more difficult to get. I cannot, in good conscious, vote for a man who has said repeatedly that he supports the man responsible for these policies.

Nothing has been done in 7.5 years to address immigration or energy, two things Bush campaigned on in 2000, also 2 things that would make us safer as a nation. But the government can find out what books I've checked out from the library.

Again, Obama may not be perfect, but he has that not George Bush quality that I find appealing in a candidate, the same appeal McCain had in 2000. Too bad he couldn't keep it up.

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The top of the ticket is all that matters, and it is no contest for people with more than half a brain. McCain 2008. Obama is hot air and nothing more. Anyone who buys his bull&#036;h&#33; will rue the day if he becomes president. Mark my words.

Dude, I thought you were gay. How could anyone gay support a Republican? They hate gays. The Republican party is the party that embraces racist, intolerant bible thumper trash like Donald Wildmon, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, etc...

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Oh bull&#036;h&#33;. I'm looking at the bigger picture. You should, too. Besides, look at everything that has happened in the last few years as far as gay rights go while Bush was in power, despite what you say about Republicans "hating" gays (I know he has spoken out against some of what has happened, but yet gay rights keep advancing, my point is, it hasn't mattered). Look at the stats for the RNC delegates... between those that support marriage and those that support civil unions, they make up a decisive majority. Another stereotype blasted to hell. Edited by ocnblu
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Oh bull&#036;h&#33;. I'm looking at the bigger picture. You should, too. Besides, look at everything that has happened in the last few years as far as gay rights go, despite what you say about Republicans "hating" gays. Look at the stats for the RNC delegates... between those that support marriage and civil unions, they make up a decisive majority. Another stereotype blasted to hell.

I could never support the Republican party....too many religious zealots, too many gun kooks, too many racists. I can't support their anti-science, anti-technology, worldview. F*ck them. These are the retards that won't support stem cell research. That try and push 'intelligent design' in the schools. That waste billions on pointless wars. That oppose universal healthcare. F*ck them.

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Dude, more bull&#036;h&#33; from you on this. You don't know what you're talking about. Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage either. I suppose he's a bigot? Whatever. Oh please, Obama has trumpeted his religious views as well, you don't remember? My mind will not change. Obama is bad for America, he's nothing of substance. He is his own myth... he is dangerous. Thinking people will vote McCain. Edited by ocnblu
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Dude, more bull&#036;h&#33; from you on this. You don't know what you're talking about. Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage either. I suppose he's a bigot? Whatever. My mind will not change. Obama is bad for America, he's nothing of substance. He is his own myth... he is dangerous.

Whatever, the Democratic party is hell of lot better for the American people as a whole than 8 more years of 'conservative' nonsense. McCain is a tired old man that should be out playing golf. A vote for him is vote for the past.

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George Bush has not been a fiscal conservative, but he is no match for the capacity for Democrats to give a handout to every non-deserving cause known to man. Democrats only know how to spend money on bull&#036;h&#33;. Universal healthcare? How will it be paid for? Taxes! Don't be so dim. Universal healthcare is waaay too big an expense for the federal government to pay for. I pay too many taxes now for bull&#036;h&#33;. I want McCain in there.

You mistakenly call him a tired old man. I see someone who stands up for what he believes, and a man who is in the real world... not some far-off, pie-in-the sky dreamland like Barak Obama. He has proposed nothing of substance. NOTHING.

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George Bush has not been a fiscal conservative, but he is no match for the capacity for Democrats to give a handout to every non-deserving cause known to man. Democrats only know how to spend money on bull&#036;h&#33;. Universal healthcare? How will it be paid for? Taxes! Don't be so dim. Universal healthcare is waaay to big an expense for the federal government to pay for. I pay too many taxes now for bull&#036;h&#33;. I want McCain in there.

Better to raise taxes to pay for things meaningful to the citizens. Better than wasting money on pointless wars. I despise the 'conservative' BS.

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Tax policy center analysis of the two tax plans. Assuming Obama's plan goes through as advertised, you and I would pay less. If McCain's plan goes through, my future in-laws pay significantly less. I'd rather I pay less. Either way the national debt goes up.

And for the record, I'm not a huge fan of not taxing seniors making under $50,000, simply because thats a huge chunk of revenue.

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A quick overview of each candidate's tax proposals can be seen HERE.

And I think that very few, if any, of the current members of Congress are truly against gay marriage. Most who say they are are just pandering to their constituencies.

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Let's just agree to disagree and move on. Like I said, I could never support Republicans...the party as it stands today is far, far too right wing for me. They offer nothing that appeals to me---I'm a straight, well-educated, well-traveled atheist upper middle class white guy that is pro-choice, pro-technology, pro-science, pro-gun control, anti-war and a car enthusiast... the Democratic party, while by no means perfect, is a better fit for my beliefs and views.

Peace, word out.

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It's gotta happen, eventually, no matter who's in office. It is equal rights under the Constitution... anything less is discrimination. We are talking about two consenting adult humans.... not Bubba and his sheep. Get real. There are plenty of Democrats who are against Gay Marriage... yet it is the GOP that is reviled for it.
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There will never be a federal amendment regarding gay marriage (or abortion, for that matter). Many states have amendments. Missouri has one that only covers marriage, not civil unions. The reason states have these amendments? Because they brought the base out to vote, and while voting to keep gays from marrying, they also happened to vote for Bush. Convenient.

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Exit polls suggested otherwise. I'd have to go look it up, but it was some crazy-high number.

Click 70% of voters who said there should be no legal recognition of same sex couple voted Bush. Thats just one poll I dug up quickly, I'll look for others, but I remember hearing numbers in the 60-80% range.

64% in the CNN poll

NBC also puts it at 70%

Fox's website is a PITA to navigate, so I cannot find 2004 exit polls right now.

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Over the last 7.5 years, I've seen people I care about have their lives go to &#036;h&#33; because of the "strong" economy. These are people who were unable to live comfortably working 2 jobs because of the cost of health insurance and health care. People who had to drop out of college because the costs went up but government loans became less obtainable and other forms of financial aid became more difficult to get. I cannot, in good conscious, vote for a man who has said repeatedly that he supports the man responsible for these policies.

Nothing has been done in 7.5 years to address immigration or energy, two things Bush campaigned on in 2000, also 2 things that would make us safer as a nation. But the government can find out what books I've checked out from the library.

Again, Obama may not be perfect, but he has that not George Bush quality that I find appealing in a candidate, the same appeal McCain had in 2000. Too bad he couldn't keep it up.

After 7 years of GOP tax cuts guaranteed to produce a rising tide of increasing wealth for all, the median income is lower than when Bush started making it better. More kids got left behind in poverty. The rich got richer. But this data was before the economy went to pot; maybe we need to cut taxes on the rich a bit more.

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There will never be a federal amendment regarding gay marriage (or abortion, for that matter). Many states have amendments. Missouri has one that only covers marriage, not civil unions. The reason states have these amendments? Because they brought the base out to vote, and while voting to keep gays from marrying, they also happened to vote for Bush. Convenient.

you have to realize, that the gov't first got into marriage because of incest and such. if the gov't stopped marrying people, these amendments would be even more silly. marriage began as a religious ceremony, because tribes frankly are not a gov't. so again, if you want to be able to be gay and marry, find/start a religion that it's ok to do that.

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And Obama is? Please, he doesn't have a clue of what he is even talking about. It's all a dream to him.

Calculate your own Obama tax cut.

Keep in mind that Bush raised your taxes and McCain will raise them again further. Oh the dollar amount of your taxes might be lower, but the value of your dollars is lower as well. Wonder why the price of oil is double what it was 4 years ago? There are twice as many dollars chasing it.

Bush has <and McCain will> raised your taxes by the huge debts he has created, you just haven't gotten the bill yet.

If you're against government spending, that's fine, but don't pretend that the Republicans are in any way, shape, or form, fiscally conservative. My opinion is, if you're going to spend trillions of dollars of tax payer money, at least spend it domestically on things like infrastructure, education, research, etc.

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George Bush has not been a fiscal conservative, but he is no match for the capacity for Democrats to give a handout to every non-deserving cause known to man. Democrats only know how to spend money on bull&#036;h&#33;. Universal healthcare? How will it be paid for? Taxes! Don't be so dim. Universal healthcare is waaay too big an expense for the federal government to pay for. I pay too many taxes now for bull&#036;h&#33;. I want McCain in there.

You mistakenly call him a tired old man. I see someone who stands up for what he believes, and a man who is in the real world... not some far-off, pie-in-the sky dreamland like Barak Obama. He has proposed nothing of substance. NOTHING.

Bush has spent $600 billion dollars on the Iraq war.

$600 Billion would build enough algae ethanol refineries to completely replace gasoline as a transportation fuel source in this country PLUS pay for enough wind generation to power every household in the U.S and there would still be a few billion left over to completely overhaul Amtrak.

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$600,000,000,000

Thats a lot of zeros. Thats a lot of sick Americans getting healthcare. Thats a lot of alternative energy. Thats a lot of a lot of things. But on the bright side, Bush is starting to come around to Obama's foreign policy plans. Remember when diplomacy with Iran and a timeline to get out of Iraq were asinine?

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Barak Obama is a dangerous Leftist. He has no experience, and his proposals scare me and a lot of other thinking people. Vote McCain.

McCain is a shoot first ask questions later kind of guy who won't change his mind later even when presented with new evidence. McCain admits he knows nothing about economics. McCain's tax policies continue to favor the rich at the expense of the middle class.

People keep forgetting. McCain has little to no executive experience. He's been a Congressman and Senator his whole career. He got the nomination by default. And Palin is the only executive decision we have to go on to judge his fitness for the office.

I mean: we have all just watched his decision-making process in real time: the whole country.

Do you really want that level of competence and thoroughness in the White House? In wartime? When making decisions about Iran and Russia? The prospect is terrifying.

To have your first presidential decision to be this bad, and to have your decision-making process and executive skill revealed as Michael Brown-level: how can he recover?

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$600,000,000,000

Thats a lot of zeros. Thats a lot of sick Americans getting healthcare. Thats a lot of alternative energy. Thats a lot of a lot of things. But on the bright side, Bush is starting to come around to Obama's foreign policy plans. Remember when diplomacy with Iran and a timeline to get out of Iraq were asinine?

or that's a good down payment on the debt/social security hole we have dug.

Barak Obama is a dangerous Leftist. He has no experience, and his proposals scare me and a lot of other thinking people. Vote McCain.

i'll prolly not vote for McCain, but othewise i totally agree. both think cap and trade is a good idea. it will pull in more money to D.C. and because of it, wither our economy more... or at least the ones that don't get gov't handouts.

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Oh sure, Satty. More bull&#036;h&#33;. On THAT DATE? McCain is not perfect, but he is much, much better than the alternative. Vote McCain. Think about it. Edited by ocnblu
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