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What modern car was GM most disappointed in, Sales wise?

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So what is GM's biggest modern flop...The Reatta perhaps?

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So what is GM's biggest modern flop...The Reatta perhaps?

Chris

I kind of liked the Reatta...in Maui Blue...though I wouldn't have bought one.

I think the mid-90s oval tail Riviera did NOT do well...weird car.

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What about the Cadillac Allante? Billed as GM's SL500 killer, it was offered with front wheel drive and automatic only, plus the interior was hideous. What a turdwagon.

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This is a tough call, because there have been so many... you could name one from each brand, or more.

Cadillac SRX, Chevy Malibu (last gen, and this gen isn't selling that great so far either), CSVs, all sorts of Pontiacs (Aztek, Grand Prix, G6 to some extent), 9-7x, the list goes on and on...

I guess the biggest flop might be the SRX. Cadillac had a lot of momentum going at that point and looked poised to make a run to the top, but the failure of the SRX was the first set back and seemed to kill momentum.

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This is a tough call, because there have been so many... you could name one from each brand, or more.

Cadillac SRX, Chevy Malibu (last gen, and this gen isn't selling that great so far either), CSVs, all sorts of Pontiacs (Aztek, Grand Prix, G6 to some extent), 9-7x, the list goes on and on...

I guess the biggest flop might be the SRX. Cadillac had a lot of momentum going at that point and looked poised to make a run to the top, but the failure of the SRX was the first set back and seemed to kill momentum.

Malibu - nice driving car, got great accolades out of the gate, staying power is kind of questionable, has styling that is too "thick" and not timeless

Grand Prix - I see them every day, and think what a GREAT car that could have been with some "nip and tuck"....this could have stolen a lot of sales from its non-GM competitors, as this is a segment that many people want and need in their driveways.

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Don't forget the GTO and so far the G8.

Which is sad because the GTO wasn't bad and the G8 is a real good-looking car.

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Wouldn't it be quicker to name the sales successes GM has had in the last decade or so?

Corvette

GMT-800s

ummm.........

Impala (if you want to count fleet sales)

ummmm......

A little help please

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No niche car qualifies for the title here, only a failed volume car should take first place.

Something that they depended on to move a lot of metal that didn't deliver.

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Modern?

Reatta and Allante' aren't modern.

Modern sales flop would be the Astra.

Reviewed well, received well by those who drive it, people seem to like the looks - yet terrible sales.

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Aren't Astras piling up like cord wood?

Yep.

But that happens when you try to add 5 grand to a saturn small car....

Gee, I'm guessing that might be the main reason......

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Wouldn't it be quicker to name the sales successes GM has had in the last decade or so?

Corvette

GMT-800s

ummm.........

Impala (if you want to count fleet sales)

ummmm......

A little help please

LeSabre

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Each new Saturn small car. S-Series sold like hotcakes (though it slowed a little in the last couple out of 11 years). Ion never sold anywhere near S-Series levels, and now it looks like the Astra is going to make Ion sales levels look good.

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I'd go with BH's vote: Pontiac Aztek. The Success/Failure was so lopsided between the Rendezvous and Aztek. It was GM's first foray into CUV territory. Most people were more worried about Buick's ability to offer a premium CUV instead of Pontiac's activity vehicle... especially since the Aztek concept garnered such heavy praise.

Both were expected to be high volume vehicles with Pontiac carrying most of the volume. The exact opposite happened. Aztek sales were horrible while Rendevous' sales boomed. Sales exceeded expectations by so much, it allowed GM to discontinue the lame duck Aztek while continue producing the Rendevous for years after the Aztek was dropped. Rendezvous' success paved the way for Buick to justify the investment for the very stylish and luxurious Enclave.

2nd choice would have to be the Saturn Ion... another poster child for everything that was wrong at GM.

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The Aztek made the the Rendezvous possible, so it brought something to the table. The ION was a terrible small car, calling it half-assed would be too nice.

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The Aztek made the the Rendezvous possible, so it brought something to the table. The ION was a terrible small car, calling it half-assed would be too nice.

Oh come on, the Ion isn't that bad. It's 90% the same as a cobalt. The main disappointments are interior design & exterior styling. Mechanically, it hasn't had any more problems than most cars. It was certainly a sales disappointment after the S-Series, though.

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The electric power steering was atrocious, the automatic transmissions (5-speed Aisin and CVT) were problematic, the seats were terrible, the interior was Geo-level, the ION was a terrible effort from a company that could do better.

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That's a good way to put it, Satty.

GM could have and should have done so much better than the Ion.

Chris/66

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