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I'm sure everyone remembers the thread on the NG Malibu. It was quite the hot topic... but their were lots of conflicting reports from various insiders.

So, I ask anybody out there what the latest word is? Is the NG Malibu still on for Epsilon I or did GM delay it to redo it for the Epsilon II platform or cancel it all together? Will GM ever put a rush on things for their mainstream cars and not SUVs or niche vehicles?

How far along are they? The new Malibu can't come soon enough IMO. Structurally, I believe the current car is of quality but design wise I've never liked it--interior or exterior.

Any updates, hints, answers are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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MY2008 is the latest I heard. GM shouldn't put rushes on these...since that leads to cost cutting and $h!ty final product. Let's be patient and let it be released when it's ready...

Edited by Croc

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it needs to be good. current mali is too small, doesn't look great inside or out, it needs better powertrains.

but, the current one is solid and gives good value for the dollar. Unfortunately that's not enough.

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As I understood it, the MY 2008 Malibu (perhaps an early '08?) will be a major refresh, along the lines of the '96 Ford Taurus or '01 Dodge Stratus: Everything changes but the most basic stuff, like the platform, powertrains, etc. Then, sometime around MY 2010, an all new Malibu will arrive.

That is what I gathered from the thread, anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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As I understood it, the MY 2008 Malibu (perhaps an early '08?) will be a major refresh, along the lines of the '96 Ford Taurus or '01 Dodge Stratus: Everything changes but the most basic stuff, like the platform, powertrains, etc. Then, sometime around MY 2010, an all new Malibu will arrive.

That is what I gathered from the thread, anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

The Stratus was a refesh? But it grew quite abit...looked like a redesign, I always thought it was. I could be wrong, I just never knew otherwise.

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As I understood it, the MY 2008 Malibu (perhaps an early '08?) will be a major refresh, along the lines of the '96 Ford Taurus or '01 Dodge Stratus: Everything changes but the most basic stuff, like the platform, powertrains, etc. Then, sometime around MY 2010, an all new Malibu will arrive.

That is what I gathered from the thread, anyway. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

That sounds about right, though I do not know if it will be 2010...might be 11. Edited by Croc

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Everything I remember pointed to the NG Malibu to be in EpsII. Malibu would be the first on EPSII, then LaCrosse, then Aura. There wasn't a confirmation of a "next G6" at the time.

And yes, the Chrysler cloud cars are still on the same platform now as they were in 1995.

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That sounds about right, though I do not know if it will be 2010...might be 11.

Everything I remember pointed to the NG Malibu to be in EpsII. Malibu would be the first on EPSII, then LaCrosse, then Aura. There wasn't a confirmation of a "next G6" at the time.

And yes, the Chrysler cloud cars are still on the same platform now as they were in 1995.

Well, if the LaCrosse is second on the Epsilon II platform, there's no way the NG Malibu would be in 2011... because that would mean the next generation LaCrosse wouldn't debut before 2012, and that gives it a 7-year model life on the W-platform, using a 4-speed automatic transmission. Nope. Not gonna happen. That's suicide. Edited by Paolino

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No. Paulie...you're reading that wrong...LaCrosse is coming in 2009...It isn't pegged as "the 2nd EPII," rather it is the second EPII as a result of an EPII possibly being scheduled for release in 2008. If there is an unforseen delay in the first...the two would be released together.

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No. Paulie...you're reading that wrong...LaCrosse is coming in 2009...It isn't pegged as "the 2nd EPII," rather it is the second EPII as a result of an EPII being scheduled for release in 2008.  If there is an unforseen delay in the first...the two would be released together.

OH! See, now that makes more sense. Thanks :lol:

So, now I'm confused... that means we're getting the new LaCrosse grille for one model year? 2008? Sigh. Was hoping it would have been 2007, but we've learned that's not going to happen.

Okay, getting back to the topic... what's concerning me is that the Malibu will never truly be a Camry/Accord/Altima fighter--or at least very good at it. It does alright, but it's not exactly up to par with the others. Bumping it up in quality/design/options... well, then you have problems competing with the Aura. And bumping the Aura up a notch, well, then you might be in LaCrosse territory. I'm anxious to see what GM has in store over the next few years.

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'08 is shaping up to be one heck of a year for gm :wink: 8)

edit: smily

Edited by loki

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Disagree. Malibu should be the Camcord fighter. AURA could be up another level by going after VW. Honestly...SAAB and Saturn are going to be VERY similar in the future...which worries me. SAAB could get by basically by being a more sport-tuned Saturn...but still the marketplace differentiation between them will be very narrow. Oh well. LaCrosse should really be ES350-ish.

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Disagree.  Malibu should be the Camcord fighter.  AURA could be up another level by going after VW.  Honestly...SAAB and Saturn are going to be VERY similar in the future...which worries me.  SAAB could get by basically by being a more sport-tuned Saturn...but still the marketplace differentiation between them will be very narrow.  Oh well.  LaCrosse should really be ES350-ish.

Well, I agree--it's time for GM to get their act together. Well, seems as they are, but let's hope they stay on the right track.

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Last I heard the 2008 Malibu is on Epsilon I and will be around until 2011 or so. The Lacrosse will be one of the first Epsilon IIs (if not the first) in the US, starting production in winter 2009.

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Last I heard the 2008 Malibu is on Epsilon I and will be around until 2011 or so. The Lacrosse will be one of the first Epsilon IIs (if not the first) in the US, starting production in winter 2009.

That's what I've been hearing...that due to the funding issues the 2008 will be a major refresh and the 2011 will be the rear EPII Malibu.

AURA EPII is 2010

LaCrosse is 2009

9-3 will prolly be 2009 or 2010

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I never knew that! If you really look at the exterior and interior...you can  see the simalarities.

Yeah, but the 2001 and up look a lot bigger to me. It's so weird that they are on the same platform.

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Well, if the LaCrosse is second on the Epsilon II platform, there's no way the NG Malibu would be in 2011... because that would mean the next generation LaCrosse wouldn't debut before 2012, and that gives it a 7-year model life on the W-platform, using a 4-speed automatic transmission.  Nope.  Not gonna happen.  That's suicide.

Then again, the LaCrosse's immediate predecessor (Century/Regal) had an 8 yr run with the W-body and minimal changes...

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E2 Rollout

2008

Chevrolet Malibu

2009

Pontiac G6 & Buick Allure(LaCrosse)

2010

Saturn Aura & Cadillac BTS(BLS)

Do you have the program codes? I ask because so far there is no EPII G6 planned and the Malibu has been bumped to 2011 with a heavy MCE in 2008. This is per the latest info (as of March 2006) that I have seen. Edited by Croc

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No I didn't know that. I made the assumption that Buick wouuld recieve a new midsize car at the same time as Pontiac. Sorry.

W Body is dead after 2008 my. So, Buick and Pontiac will need at least revamped Epsilon 1s.

Saturn's Aura would be first to be on E2?

Where is the lattest excel sheet located?

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More Epsilon News

Here's more Info. GM's E2 platform will be out all at once during the 2010 my. I'd expect the Malibu to come as early as late spring 2009. The Pontiac G6 & Buick LaCrosse in Late Summer & the Saturn Aura by Fall of 2009. Ther's no word on a Cadillac E2 just yet but, it will likely come out during the 2010 my if it does.

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I read the GMI article, and a lot of speculation is being passed off as fact. Again, no Pontiac is planned as of now.

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I read the GMI article, and a lot of speculation is being passed off as fact.  Again, no Pontiac is planned as of now.

My conclusion would be that either Pontiac is really facing termination, or the lineup will be radically overhauled. I mean, the G6 is Pontiac's volume seller, right? And it doesn't make any sense to leave your volume seller in a void, does it?

EDIT: re the NG Malibu, I am expecting a substantial update, both in terms of styling and percieved quality. Some inspiration from the 'good old days' in the style department might make a real difference: it's something Japanese brands cannot leverage in their favour, but GM can do it.

Edited by ZL-1

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