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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Thanks, I had just never heard it described like that before. I don't keep up on my design language language.

probably something I picked up long ago in a car magazine..

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19 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac has been providing not just a boosted 6, but one of the most powerful of the boosted 6es since 2013.  So yeah... 6 years now.

Having the 3.6 as an extra choice hurts nothing.

But not with AWD on the CTS. 

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17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Parts sourcing aside, how are they going to get this to sell when the CTS, ATS, XTS and CT6 all have pretty lousy sales numbers.

Obviously the shape a a bit different this time around with the fastback/GT rear end, but only 2 sedans sell in this segment in the USA, and 3 in this segment do well in China, so what is the selling point of the CT5 going to be to break the sales decline?

With the new stocky greenhouse, interior room should be improved over the CTS. IF it is, that will bring some people back. If it’s cheaper than the CT6, and has room and performs well it should sell well. The CT4 if that occurs will be a problem because why would anyone want it?  The CT5 is adequate as entry level caddy sedan in USA by my feeling. People expect a certain minimum of comfort and size from any Cadillac and so if CT5 delivers that i think sales will be ok, styling be damned. 

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36 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I would say they were building a scaled down Escala and then the Bean Counters showed up at the point of the B Pillar and said you have X amount of cash left, finished the car with X dollars and we ended up with that back end mess.

 

This is EXACTLY what happened, I guarantee it.

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I loved the Escala and I love this. Coupla observations.. I see exactly what they did.. but because of size, the design exercise of the longer Escala (2010.5 inch vs this being probably 193-195 inch) could not be completely translated over to a smaller car particularly in profile. I still doubt that the CT5 will be much smaller than the current car with the CT4 still yet to debut. I am betting a longer wheelbase for both, even if the actual length drops a bit.

Anyway,.. The black "faux window in the rear doesn't even bother me because tinting the car as I always do will make it a moot point. Only real disappointment is the door handles aren't the hideaway like the Escla.

So cool that they are done with the 3.6L NA in this car and have gone onto feature forced induction as a sole means of propulsion. I am expecting changes in current HP rating from those as well. If the SPORT is available with the 3.0L... outside of an actual V, I see very little reason to break from the "Y" philosophy and offer a V-Sport. What I have noticed Cadillac has done of late with the VSeries program is put them on their website as separate models. Thus allowing them to stick tothe Y with Lux, Prem Lux, Platinum cars even in the V

As a current CTS owner I love it.. and look forward to the VSeries debut in a year or so. I'll be sitting that one out as I want to go into the CT6-V, but curious and excited nonetheless

Again its basically the same vehicle..there's an obvious nod to the Escala in the C-pillar, but what some seem to have issue with is the curved point.. I think it was added to give some flare..:

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the one singular interior shot looks to be very nice.. The fastback design comes off as nice and a very welcome change that may just shake things up a bit in the mid-size luxury category. I remember reading here just a few weeks ago, someone saying that the new CT5 wasn't a departure from the current one.. and once again that is proven wrong. The idea has been floating for sometime that the Escala was the design exercise to bet on for cues towards the new Cadillacs.. this is basically a 85% view of that car. This is its competition.. I'm inclined to once again side with Caddy

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1 hour ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

Better styling, reliability.. I see nothing about this vehicle that suggest Chinese knock-off.. I see Escala scaled down. That's it.. I'm ate up.. Eat these nuts B***h i70mfl.jpg&key=4d853abb8ce436bc98d5e70f3

 

I think it's hilarious that you are like the personal embodiment of a GM product. You're every bit as classless, and as much a piece of trash. It's no wonder you love them so much. 🤣

 

 

@Drew Dowdell

 

Is there any reason why we let let this vile, GM leg humping garbage pile continue to plague this site?

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3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

 

I think it's hilarious that you are like the personal embodiment of a GM product. You're every bit as classless, and as much a piece of trash. It's no wonder you love them so much. 🤣

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1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Not everything can be shrunk and get the same results. 

That's what SHE said!

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5 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said:

Nah, I'm good. 

 

Kinda like this...yes?!

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I think this could sell... it has coupish looks and a few design elements that although I don't care for, people seem to eat them up.

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Oddly enough, Car and Driver is stating the CT5 is a 3-series/C-class competitor, although it looks way bigger than those cars.  C-class pricing of a CT5 is probably a good idea for Cadillac to pursue though.

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28 minutes ago, Paolino said:

I think this could sell... it has coupish looks and a few design elements that although I don't care for, people seem to eat them up.

Im one of those folks...

Im disappoint because it has Honda Accord aspirations rather than Cadillac ones (nah...no Escala in this) despite what @Cmicasa the Great  says. 

But it aint a bad looking vehicle.  I get why the CT5 could never be as sexy as the Escala. Shorter vehicle with a much shorter wheel base. Therefore one should never expect a midsizer to exude a certain type of look that a bigger, and longer wheel base car can achieve, but, Cadillac could have done the controversial  C pillar design a tad better, a tad more coherent and hella more sexier because its a damned Cadillac!!!

But I dont have a problem with that C Pillar design per se.  I do have a problem with the CT5 imitating a Honda. 

Kudos to Honda for making a FWD appliance car look desirable. (I like the new Honda Accord)  Or Ford for its Fusion. Or Chevy for its Impala and Malibu, etc...

Boo to Cadillac for not making  its new CT5 more  prestigious in terms of looks. I mean, it takes a page out of Honda's playbook. Not a bad thing per se, but not good for Cadillac trying to be unique and expensive....

But I said I was one of those folk that would buy a new CT5...

Well...I would buy one. I like the way it looks. But Im disappoint  because once again, yet another model does not inspire Standard of the World...

Maybe, its because its the nature of the segment the CT5 is in. I dont inspire to a Mercedes C Class or BMW 3 Series either...

I dont inspire to the last couple of E Class generations nor do I inspire to the 5 Series either. The last 5 Series I insipred to was the E39...

Because all those models I mentioned, the last 15 years, are nothing but lease queen specials (along with their CUV counterparts) that have over extended debt morons lease them trying to impress their Facebook friends with them taking selfies and talking about how perfect their life is...

So...there is that why I may not be impressed with the CT5, because Cadillac and BMW and M-B know that most of those leased cars in that niche are just broken cigar morons that will lease them so they dont try hard to design a wow factor car because its not about the wow factor exterior, but more about the badge on the hood....

 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Oddly enough, Car and Driver is stating the CT5 is a 3-series/C-class competitor, although it looks way bigger than those cars.  C-class pricing of a CT5 is probably a good idea for Cadillac to pursue though.

Really? I think it looks very 3-series sized. 

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4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Really? I think it looks very 3-series sized. 

I thought it was supposed to be the CTS replacement?  

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2 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I thought it was supposed to be the CTS replacement?  

I thought so too.  I'm going by appearance. 

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I thought they downsized the CT5 from the CTS to become a tweener again like how the 1st and 2nd generations CTS were.

 

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No one knows what the dimensions are.  It will be interesting to see. The current CTS is as big as a downsized 1980's full sized GM car. The one that it matches is a 1986-1991 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight.( 196 inches long, 72 inches wide).  I thought that was odd. The trunk is smaller.  The wheelbase is longer. So why didn't it have any interior room?   This car CT5 will probably be 190 - 195 inches long. 

I know XTS is shorter than a CT6, but XTS has a bigger trunk.  The CT6 is as a big as a 1990's C Body( Ninety Eight or Buick Park Avenue.). It rides on a longer wheelbase, but the width is about the same. So why is CT6's trunk only 15 cubic feet?  

XTS is as big as a 1990's H Body at 201 inches long, 73 inches wide( narrower by one inch) and the wheelbase is about the same.

The reason I say all of this why is the packing different on these cars( CT6 and CTS).   

 

 

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3 minutes ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

No one knows what the dimensions are.  It will be interesting to see. The current CTS is as big as a downsized 1980's full sized GM car. The one that it matches is a 1986-1991 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight.( 196 inches long, 72 inches wide).  I thought that was odd. The trunk is smaller.  The wheelbase is longer. So why didn't it have any interior room?   This car CT5 will probably be 190 - 195 inches long. 

I know XTS is shorter than a CT6, but XTS has a bigger trunk.  The CT6 is as a big as a 1990's C Body( Ninety Eight or Buick Park Avenue.). It rides on a longer wheelbase, but the width is about the same. So why is CT6's trunk only 15 cubic feet?  

XTS is as big as a 1990's H Body at 201 inches long, 73 inches wide( narrower by one inch) and the wheelbase is about the same.

The reason I say all of this why is the packing different on these cars( CT6 and CTS).   

 

 

You are comparing FWD cars (XTS and 90s C/H bodies) w/ RWD cars.   FWD cars usually have more interior space and a shorter wheelbase than a RWD car of the same overall length.  Just the nature of FWD vs RWD packaging in general. 

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I think the one thing we are missing here is the safety requirements. Newer auto's like the CT6 have far more nanny devices / safety features on how an auto is to crumple and fold around the cage holding the humans. As such, I suspect one thing we are all forgetting is that the safety requirements of the auto's are going to eat into the interior room of the auto.

I do not know for a fact, but that is one thing we have not touched on is the increased safety crash testing requirements. This could explain the reduced size of trunks.

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I’d assume the smaller trunks are related to the more aerodynamic short deck fastback shapes.  Crumple zones are nothing new, the 80s Merc S class had them and a big trunk.  

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47 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

I thought they downsized the CT5 from the CTS to become a tweener again like how the 1st and 2nd generations CTS were.

 

I have heard that was the plan.  We really need to see some dimensions of this car to know how it is sized, in and out.  At least with real specs which I imagine will come in April then maybe we know what they are going for.  I get they hold off on pricing until the fall though.

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So if the CT5 is to be a tweeter, then the CT4 might be between the 2 and 3/4 series in size.  Curious. 

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      2.5-liter turbocharged Inline-4: 304 PS (300 HP @ 5,800 rpm) and 43.0 kgf·m torque (311 lb.-ft. from 1,650 – 4,000 rpm) 3.5-liter turbocharged V6: 380 PS (375 HP @ 5,800 rpm) and 54.0 kgf·m torque (391 lb.-ft. from 1,300 – 4,500 rpm) Diesel 2.2-liter Inline-4: 210 PS, 45.0 kgf·m torque. (Not available in the U.S. market) The G80 features improved door sealing, new engine compartment sound insulation and resonant sound-reducing wheels to ensure indoor quietness and class-leading, low levels of noise (NVH). In addition, the Electronically Controlled Suspension with Road Preview, enhances ride quality by reducing road impacts using information supplied through the front camera.
      Advanced Safety
      In keeping with the brand’s safety platform, G80 applies standard active and passive safety systems, as part of a brand-level engineering commitment to passenger security. State-of-the-art, advanced driver-assistance systems (ADAS) include:
      Highway Driving Assist II (HDA II): This system helps assist the driver in a wider variety of situations than before, including during lane change maneuvers when the turn signal is used, and when others merge in front of you. Smart Cruise Control with Machine Learning (SCC-ML): A world first, SCC-ML, as applied to the all-new Genesis GV80 SUV earlier this year, incorporates artificial intelligence (AI) within the Advanced Driver Assistance System (ADAS) feature that helps the car to independently learn the driving characteristics of - and assist - its driver. Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA): This system may help automatically bring the G80 to a stop in certain situations where there is a risk of collision with an approaching vehicle detected on the left or right side of the intersection. G80 may also help detect potential collision risks in certain situations where a pedestrian is sensed in close proximity to the vehicle while in motion, for example. Blind-Spot Collision Avoidance Assist (BCA): BCA is essentially a Blind Spot Monitor with active capabilities. BCA helps reduce the chance of potential impact with a moving vehicle and may alert the driver if a vehicle is detected in the driver’s blind-spot A complement of 10 air bags includes front and side airbags as well as a center airbag, between the front seat occupants, that helps prevent secondary contact between occupants in a side impact.
      In addition, the Genesis safety platform works to integrate communications between 40+ controllers in real time to help ensure the safest response in various scenarios.
      Next-Generation, Technology-Enabled Luxury
      The G80 offers a high level of convenience to drivers with a suite of new technology. Each new feature is focused on further and seamlessly integrating the G80 with its client’s lifestyle, devices and preferences. A selection of highlighted features include:
      The Remote Smart Parking Assistant (RSPA) provides remote drive/reverse functions that facilitate parking in narrow spaces, as well as perpendicular parking and parallel parking. This can be controlled within the car or outside, remotely via the key fob. The 12.3-inch 3D instrument cluster recognizes the driver's eyes and provides various driving information and can be converted to 2D depending on the driver's preference. The Genesis Integrated Controller allows users to set destinations or enter phone numbers by simply writing on the main control center instead of complicated keyboard input. A 14.5-inch touchscreen infotainment system links with the Genesis Integrated Controller to support Genesis Quick Guide and Valet mode. Valet mode is a function that enhances security so that users' personal information does not appear on infotainment screens when using a Valet parking service. Over-the-air, wireless updates to the navigation system. Phone connectivity including Android Auto and Apple Car Play. With an eye toward the senses, luxury-focused items include:
      The driver's seat is equipped with an ergo motion seat function featuring seven air cells which enables optimum seating for each driving mode and reduces fatigue via a stretching mode and automatic posture correction functions. Ambient mood lamps applied throughout the interior add a sense of calm to the passenger space in various colors. From a sound standpoint, Genesis has enhanced the engine's sound with its Active Sound Design (ASD), standard on all G80s equipped with gasoline engines, adding an additional level of customization. The Lexicon sound system allows passengers to enjoy the vivid sound effects of a concert, such as "Quantum Logic Surround Audience Mode/Stage Mode," adding to the joy of listening. The first row HVAC system allows the driver to adjust the heated/ventilated seats in the second row and the air conditioning mode/temperature independently of the first row, increasing the convenience for second row passengers. Marketplace
      The all-new G80 enters the marketplace on March 30th in South Korea and in the second half of the year in other markets, starting with North America.
    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2

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    • By William Maley
      Cadillac's Super Cruise system is getting a major upgrade just in time for the 2021 CT4 and CT5. The system will now be able to automatically change lanes whenever the driver taps or fully engages the turn signal stalk. The vehicle will signal and look for a safe gap before making the maneuver. Information as to which step the system is on is shown to driver in the instrument cluster.
      “This is our most extensive update we’ve made to Super Cruise since its debut. We have made a number of improvements to make Super Cruise more intuitive, better performing and more accessible for our customers. In addition to the automated lane change functionality, we’ve made improvements to the user interface and hands-free driving dynamics,”  said Mario Maiorana, Super Cruise chief engineer in a statement.
      This upgrade is due in part to GM's new digital vehicle platform that allows for more "electrical bandwidth and data processing power." Other improvements include better rear-facing sensors and updated software.
      Following the CT4 and CT5, the updated Super Cruise system will appear on the upcoming 2021 Escalade. That brings us to an interesting item caught by the folks at Roadshow. The picture Cadillac used in the press release has the rear end of the next-generation model expected to debut next month.

      Source: Cadillac, Roadshow
      Press Release is on Page 2
    • By Drew Dowdell
      At an event is Seoul, South Korea yesterday, Genesis finally unveiled their new GV80 luxury SUV.  The overall look of the GV80 has been leaking out on the internet for months, but we finally get the full official release now.
      The interior and exterior of the GV80 is designed with a common thread to give a familial look with the G70, G80, and G90.  The GV80 introduces a new quad headlamp design that will eventually filter out to the other vehicles in the Genesis lineup. The crest grille first seen on the G90 is here too. The interior of the GV80 focuses on the "beauty of white space". The designed accentuated the width and space of the of the interior with wide horizontal lines and thin air vents.  In the center is a 14.5-inch split screen infotainment display. Genesis intentionally limited the number of hard buttons and switches for aesthetic reasons. The GV80 comes in either 5-seat or 7-seat models. On up-level models, soft materials cover every surface from the inside of door handles to quilted knee pads that line the lower sides of the console.  The transmission selector is a dial in the center console. The integrated controller can be operated by an onscreen keyboard or by handwritten letters. 
      Trips in the GV80 are designed to be stress-free. It gets equipped with a Road Active Noise Cancellation technology to reduce road noise. The system is one of the advanced and fast responding systems in the world. The electronically controlled suspension with road preview helps maintain a smooth ride by recognizing road imperfections ahead via a front camera.
      The GV80 is based on a unique new rear-wheel drive platform, while all-wheel drive is available.  In South Korea is till be equipped with a 3.0-liter six-cylinder diesel engine while the U.S. will get a choice between two unspecified turbocharged engines. All-wheel drive models in the U.S. will be equipped with an electronic rear limited slip differential.
      There is a host of safety and driving assistance technologies in the GV80 including Smart Cruise Control with Machine Learning, Highway Driving Assist II, Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist, Blind-Spot collision Avoidance Assist, Rear cross-traffic collision avoidance, and driver attention alert warning. In the event of a collision, there are 10 airbags, including a center mounted airbag between the front occupants. 
      The 2021 Genesis GV80 will go on sale in North America later this year.
       

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