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Cadillac will be unveiling the CT5 sedan at the New York International Auto Show next month. 

The CT5 is build on the next generation of GM's Alpha platform and will come in rear-wheel drive and all-wheel drive configurations.  Power will be provided by either a 2.0T 4-cylinder or 3.0 Twin-Turbo V6.  Both engines will send power to the wheels via a 10-speed automatic transmission.  The CT5  will offer Luxury and Sport trims.

In a video series called "Sensory Symphony", Cadillac slowly peels back the specially design camouflage film to trigger an ASMR response in the viewer while slowly revealing the car. This is to bring awareness to the CT5's auditory experience with active noise cancellation and other sound optimizations. 

The Cadillac CT5 will be built at GM's Lansing Grand River plant. 


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I actually like it better in the red than the silver, but I have two big issues with this car:

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First is the STUPID COUPE style which kills rear head room and to have headroom the rear passengers have to sit in a hole.

Second is the weird funky 3rd window or whatever the black section in the smaller box above represents. Even the smaller stationary glass piece sucks due to how the door is cut. From the B pillar forward I am very happy with the car.

Best View of the car IMHO.

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4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I actually like it better in the red than the silver, but I have two big issues with this car:

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First is the STUPID COUPE style which kills rear head room and to have headroom the rear passengers have to sit in a hole.

Second is the weird funky 3rd window or whatever the black section in the smaller box above represents. Even the smaller stationary glass piece sucks due to how the door is cut. From the B pillar forward I am very happy with the car.

Best View of the car IMHO.

 

No.. I think the head room will be fine due to the seat placement. Word is special attention was paid to avoid exactly what U bring up. The Trunk is even going  to be as large despite outward appearance. Second.. it seems to me that the alternative would have been a filled metal section. With this.. properly tinted windows will make it a moot point and completely unnoticeable

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37 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

No.. I think the head room will be fine due to the seat placement. Word is special attention was paid to avoid exactly what U bring up. The Trunk is even going  to be as large despite outward appearance. Second.. it seems to me that the alternative would have been a filled metal section. With this.. properly tinted windows will make it a moot point and completely unnoticeable

With all the scientific evidence about protection from the sun, at least on the rear doors tinting to match should be a standard. I just do not get a luxury car being built with clear glass.

In regards to the seating, the only way you can have a coupe roof line is to drop the rear seats below the front seats so the people sit in a hole and cannot really see out.

No matter what, this is luxury and interior space should be superior over following a stupid ass Coupe trend that everyone has.

They could have done so much better on this rear than they did. I love the rear end and front from B pillar forward, it is just this coupe roof line and the C pillar that I really am not a fan of.

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10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

With all the scientific evidence about protection from the sun, at least on the rear doors tinting to match should be a standard. I just do not get a luxury car being built with clear glass. 

It is funny, I'm so used to SUVs with dark tint on the rear sides and rear window standard that it looks odd to see a new vehicle without it..  #jaded 

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I really like the look of the car. It has the long hood very short deck design that I like.  Happy about the powertrains too. 

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2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It's about time they start to ditch the 3.6. 👍👍

I don't have a problem with the 3.6 being there as long as the 3.0TT is also there. 

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1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't have a problem with the 3.6 being there as long as the 3.0TT is also there. 

Hopefully they will add AWD as an option to ALL CT models.

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1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Hopefully they will add AWD as an option to ALL CT models.

I'm sure they will.  It's basically a requirement these days in that class.  I'm hoping they keep the V-Sport.  The pure V will probably take a year off and debut around this time next year. 

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I’m disappointed again just like with the XT6. They seem to be going backwards in style. The blackout side panel really looks out of place on a Cadillac 😢

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6 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I don't have a problem with the 3.6 being there as long as the 3.0TT is also there. 

They don't need the 3.6, the 3.0TT should be the middle engine, the V8 the top, 3 engines is enough choice I think, unless you had some sort of EV or hybrid thing in there.  Cadillac needs to start thinking of 400ish hp is mid-level, and throw away the corporate V6. Every German sedan has ad a boosted six for 5-10 years at this point, Infiniti has a turbo V6, Jaguar has a supercharged V6, that is all par for the course.  

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I think overall the styling is fine.  My nitpicks are the rear 3/4 window is odd, the headlights look like they are from a last generation Cruze above the light bar and the upside down hockey stick thing on the tail lights looks like something Lexus would do.  Cadillac tail lights should just be vertical and that's it, not off shoots to the side.  Proportionally and stylistically I think it looks better than the CTS, I like the styling language just not the shape they put it on.

My overall complaint would be that I like 3 box sedan design, this has the same shape of a 5-series GT:

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Looks like a Gensis G80. And is this another cop-out 'tweener that they are afraid to offer as a true competitor to the established German set? 

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13 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

They don't need the 3.6, the 3.0TT should be the middle engine, the V8 the top, 3 engines is enough choice I think, unless you had some sort of EV or hybrid thing in there.  Cadillac needs to start thinking of 400ish hp is mid-level, and throw away the corporate V6. Every German sedan has ad a boosted six for 5-10 years at this point, Infiniti has a turbo V6, Jaguar has a supercharged V6, that is all par for the course.  

Cadillac has been providing not just a boosted 6, but one of the most powerful of the boosted 6es since 2013.  So yeah... 6 years now.

Having the 3.6 as an extra choice hurts nothing.

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same part number as on the Ion!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad the 3.6 is banished.  2.0 and 3.0 only engine options needed here.

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really like the ..ruby red in the top pic.

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18 minutes ago, regfootball said:

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same part number as on the Ion!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad the 3.6 is banished.  2.0 and 3.0 only engine options needed here.

Give it a rest... lots of cars have the same part number as the Ion then.. including a lot of the Germans. 

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Give it a rest...I agree...especially when that particular Saturn has been out of production for over a decade.

And no, just because it could be the same Saturn part number, it does not take away from the CT5 being a Cadillac.

Its just a bloody window for God's sake.... 

PS: It may or may not be...

It probably take MORE engineering dollars to purposely fit that old parts number piece into a newly engineered car on a completely different platform just to save a few nickels and dimes for an already available number than start with a clean slate piece.

It looks the same, in the pictures. Its probably a whole different part. 

PSS:  The reason why I say its a different part all together, GM would have to purposely engineering the roofline angles and slopes of the CT5 to be the EXACT identical roofline and slope to the ION, which would affect the platform...remember, the ION was a subcompact. The CT5 is a midsizer. One was a FWD unibody while the CT5 is a RWD unibody on two completely different platforms that have NOTHING in common. 

Maybe Im wrong, but when I read that certain platforms dont lend well to different wheelbases to house different types of vehicles, well, Im thinking that on a midsized RWD platform to get all the right ROUNDED ARCs and angles, widths and lengths, thickness... JUST to fit a window piece that went on a FWD subcompact, seems a tad ludicrous for me! 

 

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wow, some folks can't detect sarcasm vs. seriousness

the main takeaway is that its a blocky upright shape that in and of itself is odd and contributes to the clumsiness to the facade of the car.

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45 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Cadillac has been providing not just a boosted 6, but one of the most powerful of the boosted 6es since 2013.  So yeah... 6 years now.

Having the 3.6 as an extra choice hurts nothing.

So why not a 4.2 NA V8 as a choice with the same horsepower and torque as the turbo V6?  Choice for the sake of choice doesn't make any sense.  The 3.6 is a torqueless engine that isn't competitive with other luxury V6s with the exception of maybe whatever is in a Lincoln MKZ or Lexus ES.  The could put the 3.6 V6 in the Escalade as a choice, or in the Corvette, doesn't mean it makes sense to.

Plus, CT5 is a low volume car, the turbo 4 is for the rental spec and old folks, who don't care about performance, and BMW, Jaguar, Mercedes all offer that too, because they all have old folks that buy those cars also. Turbo V6 is your sport trim, turbo V8 for the hardcore buyer.  

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11 minutes ago, regfootball said:

wow, some folks can't detect sarcasm vs. seriousness

Well..yes!

Words on a screen...can be quite difficult to detect, um, sarcasm. 

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PS: If you couldnt detect it, my apology is...um...sarcastic...

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The thread is interesting. I will not take sides, but I will say GM has been known to use old tooling on new models. In some cases it was obvious. 

 1980-1981 Pontiac Bonneville and 1985-1986 Pontiac Parisienne 

1994-1996 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight and 1997-1998 Oldsmobile Regency

1982 Oldsmobile 98  and 1988-1990 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser

1981 Oldsmobile 98 and 1986-1987 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser

1983-1984 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight and 1984-1985 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight Royale Brougham LS

There are cars that shared parts with other models that were in production at the same time that shared parts:

1971-1976 Oldsmobile Eighty Eight, Ninety Eight, Custom Cruiser and Toronado shared parts

1971 - 1976 Buick LeSabre, Buick Electra, and Buick Riviera shared parts. The 1977- 1978 Buick LeSabre and Buick Electra/Park Avenue and Riviera shared parts.

The 1992-1995 Pontiac Bonneville shared headlights with the Lumina and Transsport minivans 

The Pontiac Solstice and GMC Envoy shared back up lights.

The Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia shared parts. GMC Acadia used Saturn Outlook parts when it was updated.

Chevrolet midsized cars and El Camino  and Pontiac midsized cars shared parts for decades...

Buick Regal and Century shared parts.

I will take this a step further. The 1991-1993 Oldsmobile steering wheel appeared later on the Oldsmobile Ciera and GMC and Chevrolet fullsized vans.

The Oldsmobile Alero headlights are used on UPS delivery vans. 

Buick Riviera and Buick Reatta shared parts

Cadillac Deville, Seville and Eldorado shared parts in the 1990's and before that. 

Name a platform past or present, you will find shared parts.  Look at the J Bodies.  That one was global. 

Look at Grand Am and Alero. They shared big time. Look at the N cars from the 1980's

The 1990's GM B Body wagons shared so many parts. 

The third window in the C- pillar on the 1980's A Bodies were shared( Pontiac and Oldsmobile) and (Chevrolet and Buick)

The GMC and Chevrolet trucks.

The GMC and Chevrolet vans. 

The GMC and Chevrolet Suv's( including Cadillac). It was not until recently they started to diverge( look distinctive)

The early 2000's Cadillac Deville/ DTS headlights were used on buses. 

Let's not get started on GM Canada. 

I am not getting in the argument, but I am just making a point. They have shared parts for decades and no one complained on those other cars.  It is about economies of scale and sometimes it saves money.  I consider it to be a blessing personally because when I have needed parts of my 1995 Ninety Eight, I have bought 1997-1998 Regency parts and  1994-1999 Eighty Eight parts that were the exact same.  I also have done it for my Toronado too. I bought Riviera or Eldorado parts.

I will tell you the only time it was bad and not good at all was the downsized look a like era 1985-1991. 

Anyone know of any parts  that were shared between GM cars...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

The Oldsmobile Alero headlights are used on UPS delivery vans. 

That...my friend I never knew!!!   

I owned a 1999 Olds Alero...

Image result for UPS delivery vans.

 

I knew EXACTLY what truck you were referring too, and every time I used to see one on the road, there was always something puzzling to me, like a deja vu feeling...

I did not know what was that familiarity feeling I had about that truck...but thanks to you...now I know!!!

And I totally see it NOW that you pointed it out!   

You really dont know how happy you just made me feel!!!

 

No...no sarcasm. I promise!  You really made me happy! 

 

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      QUARTER 4 (CALENDAR YEAR-TO-DATE) JANUARY - DECEMBER   2019 2018 %Change Volume   2019 2018 %Change Volume   Cascada 77 743 -89.6   2,535 4,136 -38.7   Enclave 10,143 14,420 -29.7   51,156 49,647 3.0   Encore 28,497 23,326 22.2   102,402 93,073 10.0   Envision 8,380 7,535 11.2   33,229 30,152 10.2   LaCrosse 463 2,118 -78.1   7,241 15,527 -53.4   Regal 1,514 3,110 -51.3   10,363 14,118 -26.6   Buick Total 49,074 51,257 -4.3   206,929 206,863 0.0   ATS 83 831 -90.0   1,134 10,859 -89.6   CT5 43 0 ***.*   43 0 ***.*   CT6 2,276 2,398 -5.1   7,951 9,668 -17.8   CTS 966 2,442 -60.4   6,965 11,219 -37.9   Escalade 8,889 9,573 -7.1   35,424 36,872 -3.9   XT4 8,895 7,573 17.5   31,987 7,785 310.9   XT5 11,168 13,582 -17.8   49,879 60,565 -17.6   XT6 7,169 0 ***.*   11,559 0 ***.*   XTS 1,062 5,063 -79.0   11,304 17,727 -36.2   Cadillac Total 40,551 41,462 -2.2   156,246 154,702 1.0   Blazer 23,008 27 ***.*   58,115 27 ***.*   Bolt EV 3,307 6,212 -46.8   16,418 18,019 -8.9   Camaro 11,474 11,135 3.0   48,265 50,963 -5.3   Colorado 25,484 30,004 -15.1   122,304 134,842 -9.3   Corvette 3,491 3,910 -10.7   17,988 18,791 -4.3   Cruze 2,699 32,955 -91.8   47,975 142,617 -66.4   Equinox 92,092 98,239 -6.3   346,048 332,618 4.0   Express 16,652 22,543 -26.1   77,457 81,239 -4.7   Impala 9,545 12,604 -24.3   44,978 56,556 -20.5   LCF 1,273 940 35.4   4,495 2,810 60.0   Malibu 34,314 37,084 -7.5   131,917 144,542 -8.7   Silverado HD 36,704 34,222 7.3   131,953 142,632 -7.5   Silverado LD 124,619 126,950 -1.8   438,686 442,943 -1.0   Silverado MD 2,018 6 ***.*   4,961 6 ***.*   Sonic 3,339 2,765 20.8   13,971 20,613 -32.2   Spark 11,016 5,174 112.9   31,281 23,602 32.5   Suburban 10,242 15,200 -32.6   51,928 60,633 -14.4   Tahoe 21,086 24,679 -14.6   101,189 104,153 -2.8   Traverse 33,631 39,536 -14.9   147,122 146,534 0.4   Trax 33,039 22,378 47.6   116,816 89,916 29.9   Volt 370 5,063 -92.7   4,910 18,306 -73.2   Chevrolet Total 499,404 531,985 -6.1   1,958,925 2,036,023 -3.8   Acadia 19,471 25,128 -22.5   99,429 88,621 12.2   Canyon 6,525 8,219 -20.6   32,825 33,492 -2.0   Savana 3,136 2,905 8.0   24,226 19,684 23.1   Sierra HD 18,228 16,550 10.1   59,871 60,389 -0.9   Sierra LD 50,494 50,762 -0.5   172,452 159,165 8.3   Terrain 28,060 31,595 -11.2   101,470 114,314 -11.2   Yukon 20,966 25,366 -17.3   74,673 80,784 -7.6   GMC Total 146,880 160,525 -8.5   564,946 556,449 1.5   GM Vehicle Total* 735,909 785,229 -6.3   2,887,046 2,954,037 -2.3                     78 selling days for the QUARTER 4 this year and 77 for same QUARTER last year.  
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