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The Best or Nothing.... Or A Nissan.  Almost exactly two years ago we showed you pictures and a report of the forthcoming Mercedes-Benz X-Class. Now unnamed sources have told Germany's Automobilwoche (Automobile Week) that Mercedes' recent profit warning and a board review of the portfolio have caused the company to put the X-Class on the chopping block.

The X-Class is based in the Nissan Navara with some upgrades to the suspension and a Mercedes-esque interior.  Much of the interior bits are straight from the Mercedes parts bin. The X-Class starts at about $41,000 in base trim and goes up to about $66,000 in top trim, quite a lot of coin for a small pickup.

Pricing wasn't the only factor limiting sales.  The X-Class was never offered in the biggest truck market, the U.S., instead it was only sold in Europe, Australia, and South Africa.  In those three markets, the company moved only 16,700 units last year.  The X-Class is built at Nissan's plant in Barcelona, Spain where the Nissan Navara and Renault Alaskan are built.

Mercedes backed out of plans to build the X-Class for South American markets in Argentina back in February, perhaps signaling then the truck's fate.  Further, Daimler may end their partnership with Nissan - Renault as part of a cost saving measure. This would largely be achieved by ending shared projects like the X-Class and the Smart For Two which shares platforms with the Renault Twingo.  The Infiniti QX30 which shares with the Mercedes-Benz GLA has already been canceled

Daimler is trying to save $6.75 billion by 2021 with another $2.25 billion from the Daimler trucks division. In doing so, 10,000 jobs could be cut.


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Oh well.  I doubt the X-Class would have made a dent in sales here, regardless of where it was built.  Chicken Tax or no, few people here are willing to pay for a Honda Ridgeline, let alone a Nissan-based Mercedes-Benz unibody "truck".

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Oh the excuses we will hear lol. 

 

The best or nothing still can’t solve the “lowly” pick up market without borrowing someone else’s truck and still can’t figure that out. I seem to recall this type of scenario playing out when this overdressed Nissan was first announced. 

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Half hearted, minimal effort entry into the global pickup market.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  

 

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I am eagerly awaiting @smk4565's response to this. 

"They have cash out the @ss" 

"money is never an issue" 

"They'll just throw money at it until it works" 

the simpsons waiting GIF

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22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I am eagerly awaiting @smk4565's response to this. 

"They have cash out the @ss" 

"money is never an issue" 

"They'll just throw money at it until it works" 

the simpsons waiting GIF

They're in the same contraction of the industry that everyone else is. They're trying to save over $8 billion and shaving off 10,000 jobs.

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14 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

They're in the same contraction of the industry that everyone else is. They're trying to save over $8 billion and shaving off 10,000 jobs.

Oh, i understand that. I'm just..uhh..uhhhh.. picking on somebody... ;)

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Just now, ccap41 said:

Oh, i understand that. I'm just..uhh..uhhhh.. picking on somebody... ;)

I know... I was just backing you up.

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This does make one wonder what their Hybrid and EV portfolio will become. They also have the over rated Hyper Fluff Vapor Car that still is not a saleable product. It might be time to just kill the Money Pit and admit they cannot make an F1 engine work on normal roads.

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Dfelt, this thread is not about hybrids and EV's.  Good Lord man.

 

Looks like Benz is finding out that a li'l hustle will get you nowhere.  You've got to go all-in.  Didn't they learn ANYTHING from Chevy's Nissan collab... the brill City Express?

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5 hours ago, riviera74 said:

Oh well.  I doubt the X-Class would have made a dent in sales here, regardless of where it was built.  Chicken Tax or no, few people here are willing to pay for a Honda Ridgeline, let alone a Nissan-based Mercedes-Benz unibody "truck".

So the X-Class isn't Unibody. It is based on the Nissan Navara, which is body-on-frame.

Also, I think the Ridgeline is one of the best pickups - unibody or not. 

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1 hour ago, William Maley said:

So the X-Class isn't Unibody. It is based on the Nissan Navara, which is body-on-frame.

Also, I think the Ridgeline is one of the best pickups - unibody or not. 

The fact that the Navara is BOF is actually worse because MB would have tried to sell its truck to the toughest market here: the BOF midsize truck market.  Not a lot of room when the Japanese have made some inroads but have failed to overthrow the domestics like they did with cars and crossovers.  Moreover, even if the X-Class were class-leading there is no guarantee that they would even dent the dominance of the F-series, especially at the price range that Mercedes-Benz usually has their vehicles.  The Ridgeline is still a relative poor seller compared to the competition, regardless of whether it is one of the best (unibody) pickups or not.

Having said that, if the X-Class were built on the same platform as the GLK/GLS, maybe then MB will have a chance without having to spend too much extra money in development.  But it does look like Daimler is doing some rethinking on a lot of things here.

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With that low of a volume, plus needing the Renault-Nissan alliance to make the truck work, it makes sense to cut it.  

If they wanted to get into the truck market again they could do that, but they would have to be in the American market where trucks are big and not try to base it in Europe.

Better for them to focus on their core products though if the market starts to shrink.  Plus they need to put money in EV and autonomous because that is what investors want to see.

2 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

The fact that the Navara is BOF is actually worse because MB would have tried to sell its truck to the toughest market here: the BOF midsize truck market.  Not a lot of room when the Japanese have made some inroads but have failed to overthrow the domestics like they did with cars and crossovers.  Moreover, even if the X-Class were class-leading there is no guarantee that they would even dent the dominance of the F-series, especially at the price range that Mercedes-Benz usually has their vehicles.  The Ridgeline is still a relative poor seller compared to the competition, regardless of whether it is one of the best (unibody) pickups or not.

Having said that, if the X-Class were built on the same platform as the GLK/GLS, maybe then MB will have a chance without having to spend too much extra money in development.  But it does look like Daimler is doing some rethinking on a lot of things here.

The Tacoma is the #4 selling truck in the USA and the super old Nissan Frontier outsells the Ranger and Colorado/Canyon.  

I do think if Mercedes wanted to do a truck the MRH platform that is under the GLE/GLS is the platform to use.  That platform is only used on 2 vehicles (3 if you count GLE coupe) and it is made in the USA

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31 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

With that low of a volume, plus needing the Renault-Nissan alliance to make the truck work, it makes sense to cut it.  

If they wanted to get into the truck market again they could do that, but they would have to be in the American market where trucks are big and not try to base it in Europe.

Better for them to focus on their core products though if the market starts to shrink.  Plus they need to put money in EV and autonomous because that is what investors want to see.

The Tacoma is the #4 selling truck in the USA and the super old Nissan Frontier outsells the Ranger and Colorado/Canyon.  

I do think if Mercedes wanted to do a truck the MRH platform that is under the GLE/GLS is the platform to use.  That platform is only used on 2 vehicles (3 if you count GLE coupe) and it is made in the USA

Their target market for the X-Class was not Europe. They were gunning for the Asia and South American market that the Navara was occupying. Mercedes just couldn’t pull it off. 

 

And the Frontier does not such thing. For the year, the Frontier has sold 39K units while the Colorado alone has sold 65K. On what planet is that better sales for the Frontier? The Ranger has sold 30K but hasn’t been on sale everywhere very long. 

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

If they wanted to get into the truck market again they could do that...

Oh; no! Someone here said ( very recently) that once you get out of a segment, it’s nearly impossible to get back in it!

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Oh; no! Someone here said ( very recently) that once you get out of a segment, it’s nearly impossible to get back in it!

Yup although surely he wasn’t talking about Daimler. They can do anything, except build and market their own pick up, of course. 

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

Their target market for the X-Class was not Europe. They were gunning for the Asia and South American market that the Navara was occupying. Mercedes just couldn’t pull it off. 

 

And the Frontier does no such thing. For the year, the Frontier has sold 39K units while the Colorado alone has sold 65K. On what planet is that better sales for the Frontier? The Ranger has sold 30K but hasn’t been on sale everywhere very long. 

Corrected for fat thumbs on the phone. 

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11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Oh; no! Someone here said ( very recently) that once you get out of a segment, it’s nearly impossible to get back in it!

It is.  But they were never in the American pick up market.  It is hard to enter too.  I was never a big fan of the Mercedes pickup idea.  I think it better left dead.  If anything I would say Daimler could do a Freightliner pickup that could mop the floor with the F-super duty and Silverado HD.

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37 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

It is.  But they were never in the American pick up market.  It is hard to enter too.  I was never a big fan of the Mercedes pickup idea.  I think it better left dead.  If anything I would say Daimler could do a Freightliner pickup that could mop the floor with the F-super duty and Silverado HD.

“Never a big fan”.

 

Your posts about it when it was announced two years ago would suggest otherwise. Your assurance that they could still do a Freightliner style pick up also supports this (which btw is laughable). 

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42 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

 If anything I would say Daimler could do a Freightliner pickup that could mop the floor with the F-super duty and Silverado HD.

I do think that is a good idea but I don't think it would mop the floor with the other very VERY established HDs. 

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Instead of a big investment to JV or build from scratch a new model to try and enter an existing segment, they should be bold and offer the existing Sprinter truck versions here, maybe with a deeper pickup style bed instead of the shallow tilt bed....focus on the commercial market like the Sprinter vans.  

 

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16 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Dfelt, this thread is not about hybrids and EV's.  Good Lord man.

 

Looks like Benz is finding out that a li'l hustle will get you nowhere.  You've got to go all-in.  Didn't they learn ANYTHING from Chevy's Nissan collab... the brill City Express?

Hello, Earth calling Venus, the story clearly touched on the whole company so if a body on frame truck deal is dead and other auto's are going to be pared down, this does then bring up a valid question on what is the update for their Hybrid / EV product lines.

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I think the money is being diverted to EV’s.  They have to bet on the future.

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1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

It is.  But they were never in the American pick up market.  It is hard to enter too.  I was never a big fan of the Mercedes pickup idea.  I think it better left dead.  If anything I would say Daimler could do a Freightliner pickup that could mop the floor with the F-super duty and Silverado HD.

They don't even market the Sprinter as a Freightliner anymore. They're not going to bring that back.   No, they're all about putting it under the 3 pointed star. 

4 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

I think the money is being diverted to EV’s.  They have to bet on the future.

The money is just being cut.  They're trying for $8b in savings.  More cuts are coming. I wouldn't be surprised if the Crossover Coupes get the ax next. They sell in miserable numbers. 

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The problem with the X-class is Mercedes owners aren’t going to buy a truck made by Nissan and Nissan owners aren’t going to pay Mercedes pricing.

 

 

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      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5

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    • By Drew Dowdell
      Mercedes-Benz went the unconventional route and debuted their new GLA SUV completely online this morning. The new GLA comes on a new platform and changes up the dimensions a bit to improve interior space.  Overall length is down 0.6 inches, but height has increased 4.1 inches, and wheelbase is up 1.1 inches while width is up 1.2 inches. This translates to some minor improvements in most, but not all, interior dimensions.  (Dimensions chart on Page 2)
      The GLA initially will come in three forms, the GLA 250, GLA 250 4Matic, and AMG GLA 35.  The 250 and 250 4matic some with the same powertrain, a 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder producing 221 horsepower at 5,500 RPM and 258 lb-ft of torque at 1,620 - 4,000 RPM.  Power is sent to the wheels via an 8-speed DCT.
      The AMG GLA 35 comes with a 2.0-liter 4-cylinder with 302 horsepower at 5,800 RPM and 295 lb-ft of torque at 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. And uses a modified version of the 8-speed DCT. Zero to 60 is estimated at 5.0 seconds.
      GLA 250 models equipped with 4Matic come with an Off-Road Engineering Package as standard.  It is an extra drive mode that adapts the characteristics of the 4Matic system and changes power delivery and ABS intervention.  The gauge cluster will present an animation of gradient, inclination angle, and technical settings to help the driver through the situation. 
      4Matic has been updated from being hydraulically activated to electro-mechanically activated.  In normal mode, the system splits torque 80:20 front:rear.  Sport mode changes that ratio to 70:30, while off-road mode moves it to 50:50. Being electro-mechanically operated allows the 4Matic system to be more efficient by not having to drive hydraulic pumps. 
      The GLA 250 is available with a host of driver assistance packages. They include:
      Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC with the functions: braking for stationary vehicles, extended automatic restarting in traffic jams in conjunction with Active Parking Assist and navigation, activation of "Gliding" in the ECO drive mode, Active Steering Assist with the functions: Active Emergency Braking Assist – with automatic unlocking and placement of an SOS call to the Mercedes-Benz emergency call center after the vehicle has come to a stop (depending on country) Active Lane Change Assist in conjunction with navigation, Emergency lane function: in freeway traffic jams at speeds below approx. 37 mph. Active Speed Limit Assist with reaction to changes in speed limits in conjunction with Traffic Sign Assist, Route-based speed adjustment when approaching bends, roundabouts, toll stations, T-junctions and before leaving highways – reduction of vehicle speed when encountering the end of a traffic jam, in conjunction with navigation, Evasive Steering Assist, Active Lane Keeping Assist, Active Blind Spot Assist, Active Brake Assist with cross-traffic function, PRE-SAFE PLUS: can detect a potential rear impact. If the danger of a collision persists, the system can also firmly apply the brakes of the stationary vehicle, minimizing the risk of whiplash injuries by reducing the forward jolt caused by an impact from the rear. The interior of the GLA is quite similar to the A-Class sedan. Mercedes MBUX is there and can be activated by voice simply by saying "Hey Mercedes". 
      AMG 35
      The GLA AMG 35 gets an AMG tuned suspension, including an optional ride control system that allows the driver to select between three different drive modes.  A high performance braking system with 13.8 inch disks up front and 13.0 inch disks in the rear is included. There is a speed-sensitive variable ratio steering that changes the amount of assistance offered at different speeds. The AMG also gets a special exhaust system with a gas flap to change the sound dynamics of the car depending on mode, engine speed, and engine load. 
      The exterior of the AMG GLA 35 gets a different front fascia from the regular GLA 250, fitting in with the rest of the AMG lineup. 
      The GLA 250 goes on sale Summer of 2020 with the AMG following after that.
       
       
      New GLA
      Predecessor
      Diff.
      Exterior dimensions
      Length
      in
      173.6
      174.2
      -0.6
      Width
      in
      72.2
      71.0
      +1.2
      Width incl. exterior mirrors
      in
      79.5
      79.6
      -0.1
      Height
      in
      63.4
      59.3
      +4.1
      Wheelbase
      in
      107.4
      106.3
      +1.1
      Track, front
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Track, rear
      in
      63.2
      61.4
      +1.8
      Interior dimensions*
      Max. front headroom
      in
      40.8
      40.0
      +0.8
      Headroom, rear
      in
      38.1
      38.4
      -0.3
      Legroom, front
      in
      41.1
      41.9
      -0.8
      Legroom, rear
      in
      38.4
      33.9
      +4.5
      Elbow room, front
      in
      57.3
      56.0
      +1.3
      Elbow room, rear
      in
      57.3
      55.5
      +1.8
      Shoulder room, front
      in
      55.9
      54.8
      +1.1
      Shoulder room, rear
      in
      54.8
      53.1
      +1.7
      Load compartment width, max.
      in
      50.1
      46.7
      +3.4
      Load compartment depth, max.
      in
      56.0
      54.9
      +1.1
      Eff. width trunk opening
      in
      41.3
      41.1
      +0.2
      Trunk capacity (VDA)
      cu-ft
      15.4
      14.9
      +0.5
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