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Nothing unusual about that...plenty of models have a $40k or more spread between base and fully loaded...like the F150.

If you are a year away from buying something, you have absolutely NO place on a dealer lot other than for service or to buy parts. Don't even try to pull that BS line as an argument. You don't have to worry about me pressuring you for a sale, anyone who tells me they are a year away from buying I cordially give them a card and tell them to have a nice day. I, and any other good salesman have less than 0 interest in wasting time with someone who is a year away from buying a car.

That would NOT be the consumer's fault... THAT would be how your PAY structure is formed... Like I said, the industry needs to change. If you are getting paid ONLY if you sell a car...take it up with your industry. I read about the part where the conversation lead to the service industry... YOUR job as a salesman IS to service everybody that comes in to your dealership. If I wanna take 1 year to look at cars THEN to buy....lit is MY right to do so as a consumer... YOU say its a waste of time for a salesman to cater to folk like that? If YOUR industry PAID you by the hour, if YOUR industry PREPARED YOU to SELL cars PROPERLY, if YOUR industry COMPENSATED YOU like YOU deserve and NOT like a piece of meat, if YOUR industry TREATED YOU like a PROFESSIONAL than MAYBE consumers would TREAT YOU like professionals too... Instead what we got...is salesmen looking at consumers like THEY are the problem like shyte you just told us... YEAH! There are some cars that DO NOT change in 2 years... Sure, the kid's opinions on what kind of car he like to own WILL change, but you know what? The more cars you see, the more you know what YOU LIKE! A dealership IS A STORE!!! FIRST AND FOREMOST!!! Who are YOU to tell a consumer when he can or cannot visit? I told you, do NOT put the onus on the consumer for the downfalls of YOUR industry... What difference does it make to a salesman what the consumer tells you? If a consumer has his guard up...there is a REASON for him to be THAT defensive... Maybe it is true that he is looking to buy 6 months from now... Like I said...if YOUR industry gave salespeople ALL the TEACHINGS on HOW to sell properly, lessons on what the car you are selling, what features it has got...yes...real lessons, instead of just making the salesperson learn on his own, paid salespeople an hourly wage, a FAIR hourly wage, a recognition that car salespeople are professionals, that the industry itself BECOMES professional...then salespeople would NOT look at consumers like they are a problem... Like how phoqued up is the phoquing industry when salespeople are looking at people coming into a store a when salespeople do NOT get the answer they are looking for...they view THAT as wasting time? Wasting time? Yeah...lets tackle this... Its a STORE! A DEALERSHIP IS A STORE.... OPEN FOR BUSINESS. And look....all those people...kicking the tires on all these products... What is the point? Technology changes every 6 months, right? So why bother informing yourself? yes, a used car that you like today will not be there tomorrow if you dont buy it now! And yes...decisiveness IS a waste of time....BUT ITS A FACT OF LIFE IN YOUR INDUSTRY!!! LIKE I SAID...LET THE INDUSTRY PAY FOR YOUR TIME... No...you dont sell cars, your ass is gone. But maybe, if the industry ADAPTED its technique, maybe just maybe, consumers would be more sympathetic towards their salesperson...

I will not begin to make predictions on the Continental. What I do know is that I did spend some time in one this past week (although I didn't get to drive, I rode as a passenger for a couple of miles on a test drive). After last week, I decided I needed to go back to the dealership I used to work at (Coccia Ford/Lincoln), and see it first hand..... Finally. It is a really good luxury sedan.... really good. They are not moving off the lot very fast, but they are selling at that dealership at mostly the highest profitable trim levels (more Black Label than they anticipated). I don't know if suicide doors some will move more of the lots, but it is an intriguing idea.

And they wonder why people hate salesmen?

Actually, DS is considered a separate brand within PSA. I think DS could do well here, esp. the DS6 and DS7 CUVs...

A salesman with a shitty attitude like that should just GFT...

Which is precisely what I advised in my first post.

I wonder if people buzzed about Lincoln's survival in the early '60s, with sales volume far smaller than today. Myself, I've yet to come across such period conjecture.

Ford made $8.4B in profit last year; Lincoln could sell 1000/mnth and FoMoCo would be just fine. Only American brands are held to this unyielding white hot spotlight on 'volume'. Put another way; guess how many cars Lincoln sold the first year of their iconic, oft-emulated, suicide-doored styling tour de'force (1961) : 25,164 units.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if this does happen. I like the current Continental, and a retro touch like this would be neat.

Just recently, I went to look at the fresh new car version of a car I have rented. I wanted to see the sticker, sit in it, check visibility, yada yada. The kid helping me was really nice and I didn't want to take up much of his time. He added, "It sounds like you really want to drive this car." I told him, "Not today." We unlocked it, I sat in it, turned on the engine, and got a feel for the controls. I also looked at the trunk. That was all I needed. I also took a brochure. As I'm about to leave, he says, "If you've got a couple of minutes, there's someone I'd like you to meet." *Cue to leave, in my book* I told him that I didn't have the time and headed for the door. It was an obvious turnover in the making. If someone tries a turnover on me, I will not be buying a car from this individual in the future. I just leave and it's a closed chapter. Man, I hate going to the dealerships at night when the car doors are locked and you can't really get a feel for the car and I hate having to wait an entire year between auto shows so I can cut loose like a kid in a candy store, but also have to part with some coin for the hassle free privilege. What do you do when you visit car dealerships out of curiosity and are subjected to a "turnover?"

What does the AT4 stand for as this is the first I have heard of it? Never mind Ocnblu, I see this is a Hummer like package on the GMC line. Very Exciting! http://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/introducing-the-first-ever-2019-sierra-at4 Have to say I think this will do very well and drive sales. Lots more on the web site but this is the core off road info: AUTHENTIC OFF-ROAD CAPABILITY
 Sierra AT4’s tall stance is also a sign of its off-road capability. Compared to other 2019 Sierras, the Sierra AT4’s suspension rides 2” higher, providing added ground clearance for off-road driving. Unlike aftermarket lift kits, Sierra AT4’s factory-installed suspension was fully designed and validated by GMC engineers, allowing it to deliver the refined ride quality and durability expected of a GMC. Sierra AT4’s off-road chops don’t end there. Sierra AT4’s off-road chops don’t end there. Sierra AT4 models include four-wheel drive as standard equipment, with a two-speed transfer case that includes low-range four-wheel-drive gearing for when conditions turn extremely tough. Sierra AT4 also includes off-road tuned Rancho monotube shock absorbers, a locking rear differential, skid plates, and hill descent control, which leverages anti-lock braking technology to provide a smooth, controlled descent in uneven terrain without the driver needing to repeatedly push the brake pedal. Sierra AT4 is equipped with a 5.3-liter V-8 engine and eight-speed automatic transmission as standard equipment, while either a 6.2-liter V-8 or a new 3.0-liter inline-six turbo-diesel will be available as optional equipment. We didn’t stop there – we brought innovative technology to Sierra AT4 to both enhance capability and elevate driver confidence off-road. Some of these features include: Traction Select System: allows the driver to choose from preset drive modes that have been tailored for a variety of different terrain or weather conditions. Selecting one of these modes adjusts Sierra’s transmission shift points, throttle mapping, and other systems to optimize performance for the situation at hand. Segment-first Multi-Color Head-Up Display: projects key, customizable vehicle data, including an off-road inclinometer, on the windshield in a 3x7-inch display. The off-road inclinometer shows the fore-and-aft tilt, front tire angle, and left-and-right tilt. Surround Vision†: available on Sierra AT4 and provides the driver with a “bird’s eye” view through an overhead image on the infotainment screen and can prove useful when slowly maneuvering in tight quarters - be it within a parking garage or out on a challenging trail. 


But I will take a deal on that low miles CPO auto due to the idiot that did not do their homework and got an auto that did not meet their needs or life style or could afford the payment / Insurance. I have seen plenty of people buy an auto and not once think about the insurance till afterwards and then find out due to their own history that they cannot get it insured. Benefits to me.

Too Funny, I liked the Color Changing Car one! https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/t/car-changes-color-on-voice-command/vp-BBKJK8C Teaches ya to not piss of Lexa!

I can undetstand casually checking things out a year in advance but spending a serious amount of time worrying about it probably puts one somewhere on the autism spectrum. A Forrester vs. an Escape Vs. a Cherokee is not that tough. I also don't understand people who buy brand new cars and then trade them in at a huge loss five thousand miles later either.

I would much prefer to hear someone say that than to tell me they are looking at cars and plan to buy entire seasons or years from now. You're a car guy and just want to walk around and check stuff out, go for it. As long as we aren't busy, and you're cool, I might even might even shoot the breeze with you, open a hood, start something up, etc. But if you are even remotely close to a year away from buying a car, you're wasting EVERYONE'S time, not just the salesman's. The used car isn't going to be there anymore, and the new car probably won't be the same price. Best case scenario. Barring that, you could die, get fired, win the lottery, or be the recipient of a million other factors that greatly change your buying window, what you spend, and what you spend it on. I have people tell me they are looking for cars for when their 14yo turns 16, for cripes sake. That's just completely stupid. And to touch on your bolded part, I know plenty of salesmen with projects!! Lol. Oh, please. Nobody here is advocating buying something you don't want or even not putting careful consideration into what you buy. But all of your budgeting should have been done long before you ever step foot on a dealer parking lot. If it still takes you several months to pick out a car from there, then yeah, absolutely you are making it difficult for yourself. After all, you buyers' time is so much more valuable than salesmen's.

I find the phrase "I am just killing time here for twenty minutes until I pick up my wife" to work very well at letting a potential salesman know I am not interested in a car today. I can politely decline telemarketers, people interested in sex (fewer than I would like for the purposes of ego), religious proselytizers, door to door people working to elect candidates, and any other request for whatever. Just stating your intentions and not being a D$#% will work wonders. Also, if you want...go when you know they are slow and if you want a salesman's time for questions they are generous. Go look on a rainy Tuesday morning at the beginning of the month. Chances are you will find a showroom full of bored sales people who will be more than willing to answer questions. My only problem is finding people with decent project knowledge when I do go look.

Kudos to them for moving them at the Black Label trim level.

I'd assume M-B dealers sell lease returns as CPOs like other carmakers do....

The salesmans' job is to literally serve the customer the same way a waiter is there to serve the customer at a restaurant. Too bad we can't tip car salesmen based on their performance. Instead they try and get as much from us as possible. You be a kiss ass because that's your job. If you don't like the service industry, get a different job. Otherwise, continue to kiss ass.

The only brand they have that is "interesting" and have something different to bring to US market is Citroen

I'm sure it's a good product, but it's just so overwrought and hideously styled up front, IMO. The F-series hasn't had a really good looking pickup overall IMO since the 9th generation ('92-97).

The issue is that the ground rules have been stated (I state them upon beginning to speak to a salesperson) and they then proceed to break them because that's the way they've been trained or it's their protocol. It sounds like a conflict of interests between what the customer wants and the dealership wants from the get-go. The absolute worst, as I mentioned above, is when you're out of town (and you tell them you're from out of town and just looking with no intention to buy) and you go into a dealership, perhaps near your hotel, and they pull this crap.

I couldn't agree with this any more! It never is a a dealership..sadly.. I've almost never had a true "hassle free" experience at a car dealership.

I will say that I have always set the ground rules when I visit a dealership. I tell the salesperson right up front what I want to do, how I want to do it and the space I need to do it. I no longer feel harassed as I make the rules very clear and if they break them, I move onto another dealership. Many options for buying an auto out there and if one dealership is a PITA, move on and give your money to the place that will respect you and earn it.

There’s no way they want to take the current car and then refresh it with those doors. That’s actual suicide for the car. The Continental really needs to provide obsessive luxury and quality, and the current car is good, but nowhere near that. I just don’t understand how a car from LINCOLN that starts at $45,000 can be optioned up to $85,000. Ford needs to invest in its product very badly and Hacett isn’t a car guy plain and simple.

nice OCN, depending on weight and gearing, that might make it kinda sporty with the manual. will the next ~5years get us to a new "golden age of engines"?

I remember that era of Cutlass was very popular when I was a kid. Saw them everywhere. The 80s were very popular also. Haven't seen a nice mid 70s to mid 80s Cutlass Supreme in ages.

Lincoln's potential is mostly tied to China as a Buick competitor IMO.

Save the suicide doors for other Lincoln models. They may have a chance at survival.

That era of Cutlass still haunts my dreams forty years after the last one rolled off of the line.

What I would give to see a 75 Cutlass Supreme or Salon coupe in Persimmon metallic and in "cherry" condition .... I would dream about that at night Favorite color was the medium to dark metallic blue of 1998 and 1999. It was perfect on the Intrigue. I sometimes lament never having owned one.

I agree that it is intetesting.

I don't think GM would want Opel products in the US market given that they sold off Opel.

They had the internet price, and then the price on the windshield which was higher. I got it for the internet price, which was pretty spot on for a CPO '14 Limited 4x4 V6 w/ 25k miles--based on comparisons w/ others listed in Az and So Cal.

This will be cool, just what the doctor ordered.

Here's a whole lotta info on the car: Toyota's press release... dimensions, colors, etc. etc.http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/hatch+back+all+new+2019+toyota+corolla+hatchback+wows+2018+nyias.htm

Here's the link to Toyota's preview site. 168 hp!https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/corollahb/?srchid=sem|GOOGLE|Corolla_HB|Model_Corolla_iM|Corolla_HB_General|Corolla_HB_Reveal_3.22.18|Corolla_HB_UVP&gclid=CPGk_Z_Eh9oCFZGnswodbLgG_A&gclsrc=ds

I agree 100% with ALL that you said... Except that quote which I quoted you on... I agree with the fact that the salesperson is doing his job. I also agree that the dealership is there solely to sell cars, and that they need to sell cars any which way they see fit... But...a dealership IS a store. A dealership IS open DURING BUSINESS hours to ACCEPT POTENTIAL customers. A POTENTIAL customer SHOULD be ABLE to VISIT a dealership DURING business hours...NOT before or AFTER business hours. Yes...the salesman NEEDS to sell cars to live and he needs to do his job the way his boss tells him to. We discussed that. As a potential customer though... I NEED TO VISIT A DEALERSHIP WITHOUT THE CONSTANT HARASSING IF I WANT TO BUY THE CAR TODAY. I NEED THE BREATHING ROOM TO SEE FOR MYSELF. A SIMPLE NO THANX SHOULD BE ENOUGH... If a dealership thinks that if a potential client leaves the dealership and that dealership equates THAT as a loss of a sale to another dealership...MAYBE THAT dealership should CHANGE the way they do business and leave the 1950s/1960s/1970s/1980s/1990s where they belong. IN THE PAST!!! Yes. Yes. Yes. I understand that there is a plethora of undetermined, uninformed morons out there that NEED this type of sales tactic even though they say they dont... But...the salespeople and the managers NEED to IDENTIFY the differences between the many types of buyers... The dealerships...should invest in TEACHING their salespeople HOW to sell to people in the 21st century. The DEALERSHIPS need to get together ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY and CHANGE the INDUSTRY around... INSTEAD OF FIGHTING with the PHOQUING customer...the PHOQUING INDUSTRY NEEDS TO CHANGE THIS! NO! Not the CUSTOMER...HE JUST WANTS TO BUY A PHOQUING CAR. ITS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PHOQUING INDUSTRY TO CHANGE... STOP BLAMING THE CUSTOMER AND PUTTING THE ONUS ON HIM!!!

Which reminds me... My favorite car of all time is EXACTLY what you folk are kvetching about...(the wheelbase of MY favorite car of all time just ekes it out, I guess!) Oh YEAH!!! I aint judging here..but none of those coupes hold a candle to MY favorite car of all time... Wait a minute...I lied...here comes the JUDGE!

@smk4565 a troll who can't even get basic facts right even when he has been reminded of them many many many multiple times. More than 12 volt power? Welcome to a 2008 Malibu Hybrid. 48 volts is not some magic number... The Prius uses more than 48 volts as does...the Volt. OMG wHY iS mERcedES so F@r bEhinD gm!!!n??!?

Yeah, seen to be the same style....

Where is Mercedes' super cruise? What's the matter? Are they too cheap? Where is their plug-in with 40 miles ev range? Still too cheap? Why do Mercede's power trains consistently lag Cadillac's in output for a given configuration? Why does it take a V8 from Benz to exceed a Turbo 6 from Cadillac? Why can't Benz build a Turbo 6 to beat Cadillac without throwing electric motors on it to help out? Too cheap? Why can't Benz build a suspension that has faster reaction time than Cadillac? I guess they're just too cheap Or you're just a troll.

I sawr this today at another site during my lunch break. Easily the best looking Corolla since WAY BACK when. That Sport model with a stick blows the Cruze hatch into the weeds. I'd drive it.

Yep- opens all the way back to the trunk opening! Pretty cool :

'66-67 Charger rear configurable seating ~