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Of course, the BMW 3-Series ?

ohhhhh!!! So when a company has been around for generations "building towns and supporting generations of families..." the get boycotted. Makes sense. Sorta like me raising my children, providing them with everything they ever ask for, then eventually telling they need to go live on their own because I can't afford to take care of them anymore and they then tell me that they hate me.. vs them meeting a friend a year ago who gave them a piece of chicken and then told them "no more" and the kid just says.. "oh.. OK." Got it!

I think pretty much I will die in Columbus unless I can relocate to a scenic part of new Zealand or something...perhaps the wilds of Scotland. Want to travel a good bit as I get older. Which has changed me vehicular ideas. I still like the idea of a GTI or WRX....or a Gently used Focus ST...but my thinking has become more road car oriented. Thinking Renegade or Cherokee. Really loving Jeep and all of the customization options and colors and so forth. And a little bit burned out on both the Muscle car and Sport compact thing. But hell yes to travel when another year or two has passed. My youngest is graduating High school in 4 months and then I am a free man when they go off to College. He could be a Cowbowys fan and drive a Hyundai. Lots of room for downward mobility there. Like I said above....my wife...a Jeep....and the open road.

Not sure what is worse. The fact that the driver is a Raiders fan or that well....just take a look.

The list doesn't surprise me all that much. You've got some expensive Middle Atlantic and New England states, some of the more isolated Midwestern states, and Montana (?). I thought people were moving to Montana. Movie stars and rich Californians were going up there to buy ranches. It's Wyoming they should be moving out of. Ever driven across it? Six or seven states (FL, TX, WA, etc.) have no state income tax. They are definitely picking up residents. If a state doesn't have one kind of tax, they clobber you with another one. While TX does not have a state income tax, it has high property taxes to pay for schools and services. For a $ 200,000 home in The Woodlands (nice suburb of Houston), the property tax is about $ 5,000. Then, some states don't have sales taxes (OR, MT, etc.). Oregon has one of the most steeply ascending income tax situations, essentially taking low(er) income earners toward the top bracket (about 9%) in no time flat. That's what you get when socialists run the place. In California, where the top bracket exceeds 10%, the steps up to that bracket are very well spaced apart and low(er) income earners are far from being levied that overall tax rate. Overall, Florida is a good state when you run the numbers - no personal income tax, their unique homestead exemption, reasonable property taxes, and average sales taxes, but not on groceries and pharma. They also have some sales tax holidays. They probably have the best combo. New Jersey is steep all the way around. I don't think the middle of it feels that crowded. To me, it's just the areas that cluster around NYC and Philly. New Jersey also wins the crown every year for having America's most dangerous city - Camden. Of those, Maine is really nice. It's not that populous. The southern part of the state has the more populous cities and the northern part of the state is pretty much empty. Bar Harbor and Acadia National Park are incredible. The view from Cadillac Mountain is unforgettable. It also borders Quebec and there's a huge French-Canadian factor in its history and fabric.

Florida has hurricanes and flooding, the West Coast has wildfires, earthquakes, mudslides and other issues. I love parts of California, but the cost of living and traffic has long turned me off..I like the PNW also...Oregon's beaches in particular I've enjoyed visiting.. Another region w/ mountains (albeit lower) and beaches that I like is the NE..... I do like Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts quite a bit..the greenery and coast..I could see myself living up there.

I sometimes search for old online photos of my neighbourhood, the best ones available are of the public spaces like libraries and fire halls, as well as of the buses that ran in the 20's, shortly after the neighbourhood was established. I wonder how many of these buses are preserved somehere. TTC had a lot of GM buses in their fleet from the fifties to the eighties. I'm partial to the streetcars though. A few times a year in the summer they bring out the old models on a few routes for a weekend.

WHOA WHOA WHOA! Multi-billionaire throwing people out of work struggling to pay of holiday credit card bills! BOYCOTT!

I totally get what you are saying and used to think the same way, always drove to my job and enjoyed my freedom machine. Yet when I got my first ever tech job in Seattle, I quickly learned community transit was my friend. Driving from my house to work is 18 miles one way. In an auto by myself takes 1 to 1 1/2 hrs, then $45 a day to park, plus the gas, insurance, etc. Today, I save thousands a year on Insurance and drive 1 mile to the local Park n Ride so I qualify for low mileage driving, yet still enjoy my road trips and my Escalade has gone from high miles to low miles since the change as I only put on about 4 to 6 thousand miles a year. The company I work for pays for my Mass Transit pass or what we call an Orca card here which is good for any bus, lite rail or Amtrak train. I have zero stress on my commute which takes all of 30 min from the north end into Seattle where I get off and walk 4 blocks to work. I do not have to pay for parking and my gas bill has dropped big time. I OWN MY OWN AUTO's. I enjoy them and drive when ever I want, but I save a ton on gas, maintenance and wear n tear on the auto. Stress free to and from work, fast commute compared to most others and total flexible schedule as buses come every 15 min. I personally am not a fan of Uber or Lyft, small tight auto's and honestly just as rude as normal taxis. Take the bus or for when I travel just grab a regular cab from the airport thankfully, this is at most just twice a year for our huge tradeshow in vegas now. I have the freedom to go where I want, when I want with my auto, yet I save thousands by using mass transit to get to and from work. Has not changed me seeing doctors or running errands, just saves me money.

Kevin Costner. I like him as an actor. Many people get annoyed with his acting, but I like him. I like him mostly when he plays government officials of some kind. Yeah...No Way Out. He is fantastic in that. I havent seen that movie in ages. Over the weekend I saw A Perfect World. He was a criminal in that one. I liked him in that too. The Untouchables was a fantastic movie and he was a fantastic Elliott Ness. JFK... awesome I also love when he plays the part of athletes or sports related movies. I liked Waterworld. Hell, I even liked his portrayal of Robin Hood. Gene Hackman. This is a legendary actor of our modern times. After the Golden Age of Hollywood, which ended in the 1960s I think, the next generation would be Gene's generation. Well, in his generation, he is amongst the best of the best.

What's cool is... he is not afraid to use the throttle!

I've only got a toyoto boycott working over here; it's Bill that's boycotting Tesla (and electric lights). :D

No, it means they have touched that make more people and families that it will naturally upset more people. Just because somebody gets upset and writes on the internet about it in 2019, doesn't mean it has any validity to it. Its 2019. Everybody likes to have hurt feelings and type it out.

I've seen and heard people complain about it just like GM. I agree. If people want these businesses to not go under and employ NOBODY, then they have to realize they're businesses and they need to make decisions best for the business otherwise nobody has a job. Deal with it, people.

CT5 V EV might just be so much faster than the ICE V can ever be if Cadillac executes properly.

Probably old Raiders fan that fears not being seen. Probably drives on the freeway with their hazard lights on thinking it makes them safer. Free Man? ? College bills, coming home to visit and asking for more. You my friend are never free, Kids are for life! We just get the freedom to finally walk around the house dressed or not however we want as no one is around to be offended by it. Live Naked and Free we say on the west coast! Just the stench of Horse Manure!

They have the brass lamp edition with a rumble seat for balthy.... Companies should be free to lay off workers. And no one of any real serious nature takes a single word from the current administration seriously about anything. Neither should get flak. The job of the media is to report the news....not editorialize and shame people for free choices they make. He and nearly every other CEO of any profitable company has more class than that. Or ignore the haters. Haters will always hate people who accomplish something. The guy who has zero motivation to hit the weight room will always be the first to mock a football player or a wrestler. I am...companies should be free to react to business cycles.

A bunch of stickers is one thing (and too much IMO) but this guy clearly has a hard on for reflectors! They were all over his car.

A bit excessive with the stick on stuff...my brother is into stick on aftermarket crap, but not to that level. I did have a few back window decals on my old Jeep incl. a Broncos decal. So far I've been restrained on my second Jeep, just my alma mater and an Apple decal.

I want to see more of Maine..was up there in the 90s when my sister lived in Boston..drove up to Kennebunkport and Portland...beautiful state w/ some great beaches.

The closest comparison would be a Daytona 675 and Street Triple(675). Daytona: 115whp @ 13,200rpm 49.8wtq @ 10,100rpm Street Triple: 95whp @ 12,000rpm 46wtq @ 8400rpm

Tesla hasn't been around for generations with manufacturing plants building towns and supporting generations of families. That's why there is uproar when they layoff/fire people. Also, for the record, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just pointing out why there isn't uproar when a small company doesn't get the same flak as a massive one.

What if he buys them the finest, most luxurious spread of great American fast food? That is a good way to solve problems...

Amazing. Where are the death to Tesla comments? The U.S. Gov't has helped keep Tesla alive for almost its entire 15 year life and now its betraying workers by laying them off in pursuit if survival. Off with their heads. I'm buying a Chevy Bolt

Currently, I live in an inner suburb and work in an outer suburb, so traffic is not too bad going opposite of what the majority do, 30-40 minutes drive, evenings tend to have more traffic than the mornings. Thankfully I commute east in the evenings so sunsets are not a problem. My wife hops on the subway to downtown and has a similar length commute. Her immune system seems so much better than mine with all that exposure she has had over the years .

I go both ways. I drive to work sometimes. I take the bus sometimes. It is not unusual for me to drive to work with Albert, but leave the car with him and take the bus home since he has to stay later. I like the bus, but sometimes I want my own car. What I hate most is driving in city rush-hour traffic.

No way I'm dealing with other ppl's crap while I am trying to achieve zen on the way to work.

Paying for parking for work would definitely make me think about public transportation. Never had to in past jobs, always had a company parking lot or garage.

lmfao.. when any 7Series lover who busts on the Silverado 2500's big face... a Heavy Duty TRUCK.. I will present them with this pic.. on a FUKKING Luxury car. Oh.. and I like the fact that the CT6-V's 0-60 time of an est zero to 60 mph in 3.4 seconds and top speed at as 200 mph.. is quicker than the top of the line 7Series. Hey 7 Series.. U Big Faced Bitc#.. Eat your Heart out.. here's some sexy

Yep, and no one in politics on any level in the state gives a shit. - - - - -

Now, back to what I was listening to. I just love videos of girls enjoying life, being happy and living it up. Especially when a classic automobile is at their disposal. A Quebecoise singer. Very sexy girl back in the day. (She is quite a looker still today I might add) Good singer and her songs just...fun!

They already build it! Now get it to market and put it in a real product. Imagine if the XT6 was RWD and had Black Wing. Escalade is for cowboys, while XT6 for the sophisticates...who am I kidding it's for suburban families, with a high mix of female drivers... Ah if only. I mean you can always pretend that it's a high performance piece because Cadillac.... But I doubt how Cadillac can truly differentiate again...like Porshce, BMW, they're all getting EVs. At that point Cadillac must be alluring and build a no compromise vehicle that will court the naysayers and kill the haterz. And sell plenty in China to be viable, that's not even an option.

Got the STS back today, tire turned out to be a nail..she got a bunch of other work done the week it was in the shop--new spark plugs, coils, valve cover and intake manifold gaskets, and a bunch of front suspension work--new springs, shocks, struts, stabilizer bar, front end alignment, bushings. Drives much smoother and quieter now.

Tesla laying off a few workers sounds like Great American Capitalism to me. Congrats.

Like the Porsche Boxter and Cayman...two trunks.

Totally agree!

Horse manure comes from Dearborn (sorry could not resist...feeling much better about Ford...) Feeling better about Ford and life in General.

Hell...I would prefer a CTS V while I can still get an ICE car.

I REALLY HOPE that they shock everyone with a Escalade EV. They will have me putting money down if they do. @A Horse With No Name Are these car pictures for the Random thread or to make a point here on electrics? ?

Yet where is the Hate and ROAR in the News about Fords massive layoffs. Seems there has been a bit of unfair attack in the press and from the white house. Like you again not taking sides, but pointing out there does seem to be a bit of a lopsided attack on GM versus the others.

In the U.S., mountains and beaches mean only 5 states. If it's beaches you plan to use (to swim without a wet suit), that means only 2 - California and Hawai'i. If it's beaches you don't plan on using and can settle for just looking at, that would expand the list to Oregon, Washington, and Alaska. I definitely like California's topography and climate. And, when I was a kid, it was laid back and people with broken filters got along just fine. Now, even California suffers from too much political correctness, not to mention exorbitant housing prices, polarization in its demographics, and overpopulation (soon to approach 40 million residents). Florida's beaches are way better than California's for recreational use. (Volusia County's beaches, however, are the ones that give me a little bit of apprehension about swimming.) However, Florida's monotonous pancake flat landscape is what I've got some issues with. I've thought of moving there since the '90s at one time or another and always keep pulling the plug on the idea. I definitely like vacationing there.

GM has added about 30K new workers since 2010. Then decided that based on sales of vehicles in the car segment being low, they needed to let go of about 1/2 the number of that hire spree, but recall and reassign some of those workers in a more advance field of manufacturing if.. IF.. they trained for the new positions. People SQUAWKED.. threatening to boycott GM. Yes some of those position may go to cheaper labor plants in Mexico,... but a job lost a GM NA is a job lost just like at Tesla. Its literally the same scenario in the end

Not Yet Skippy, but it will come. They will start with the Half Ton regular and then move it across the whole family. In 2 years, I believe all trucks will be hybrids.

Another Jerseyian here, so I can relate. Wife & I have already (jokingly) started talking about which states are a new possibility (most under the guise of ruling out those that aren't). Standard of living is very high and there's a ton of employment opportunity... but yeah; Jersey has 2 major cons: congestion and taxation. We're good staying until retirement, but the way the [usual politicians] continually crank taxes up on everything, they're bulldozing people to the borders. Whoever stated that 'economies of scale' lower prices has yet to explain how the most densely-populated state has the highest property taxes in the nation. My town would moan when one of the major corporations left, talking about ratables being down, so they had to raise taxes to compensate. Then a new, bigger corporation would settle in... and they raise taxes to provide services. I guess they assume no one is paying attention- too numb from the 10,000 needles into the vein.

Or lets do Gas power and Ford...

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I do like some parts of Florida..having lived in the Keys in middle school and high school. Not sure where I'm going to retire to eventually, ideally some place w/ mountains and beaches. My sister plans to retire in about 5 years and winter in Florida.