Leaderboard

@Cmicasa the Great and @dwightlooi ... be glad Cadillac doesn't put its own scent into its cars. They had a scent developed and they ... unleashed it at the Detroit and LA Auto Shows..... it was like an Axe factory exploded. Way too strong and didn't even smell great.

Tucker.

Well, Ford, GM, Toyota, etc each have multiple 3 row models, so there is precedent.. Explorer and two lengths of Expedition, Traverse, Tahoe, and Suburban, etc. So it sounds like GC will remain two row, then the new 3 row, then the full size BOF Wagoneer (SWB like the Tahoe) and Grand Wagoneer (LWB like the Suburban).

Actually, the Cadillac BASE trim interiors are much better than BMW or MB's base trim interiors. It is the Platinum trim levels that does not have the superfluous stuff the competition offers like 2 scent dispensers for your cabin integrated into the climate control or external 3D views. From an trim stand point, the Platinum and Premium gets the semi-aniline leather upholstery and open pore wood (or carbon fiber) panels. The BASE gets regular leather and lacquered wood panels. BMW gives you VINYL on the base trims and M-B even makes the arm rest an extra cost option.

Nice write up.. I would love to get the person who makes the decisions on what needs to be in Cadillac's trim portfolio, and also what needs to be presented at Auto Shows. I would definitely go at him/her with some Jack Bauer style interrogation methods.. to the point that what I see above never happened again. WHY THE f@#kKK!!! is the BASE interior out on the floor? WHY THE f@#kKK!!! does the base interior even exist? WHY THE f@#kK!!! does Cadillac even care about someone entering into the brand in their, now, sole big car at the"Luxury" car's price? This car, with Premium Lux upgrades is a legitimate 7Series competitor.. with the Platinum and V8.. S-Class competitor.. and even I will admit that it is that last combo that is really what gives it a chance to be on level with the S560. THAT is what should have been on the floor when U got to take pics. Softer leather, Suede headliner.. and so many more WOW qualities that make people WANT to buy. I'm continuously convinced that it is actually not the cars, the engineering.. the design.. the capabilities.. that are lacking at GM, but the IDIOTS that are left to make decisions about the wants and needs of people buying the vehicles. Hell based on the website, U can only get two combinations of color interiors on the Platinum.. but 7 combos on the Premium Lux. That makes sense to who exactly.. and even that U have to play around with. f@#kK moving from Detroit to NYC.. Cadillac actually needs to move to Atlanta or San Fran. I won't say why, but the culture there would add some "flare" to the mix. Being run by men from the mid-west just isn't doing it any favors in the interior department as far as colors. This is what should have been on the floor.. to hell with the fingerprints and clean up after They have the interiors.. in all of their products.. its just that they have lower trims that house the stuff that gives them a bad name.. and what makes it worse.. the MORON that sends out the press cars.. the ones that get the reviews.. only likes to send out the "Luxury" models so they can advertise that it only cost "$54K." Who the hell are U selling to Cadillac? People who can buy these things with a quip of a signature at the bottom of a check.. or a SOB that is sitting there worried about his 650 Fico not getting him approved for financing? Even if.. EVEN IF!!! U still make him want it so bad he'll do anything to get there. That interior above.. is like the one I saw a few weeks ago in a Crystal White CT6 3.0LTT Plat.. I told my guy when that comes in with a TTV8 and a V on the back.. call me. My lady concurred. Her 73 and 70 year old father and mother have a '17 S550 and the Platinum interior is easily on par with it's (the S550) beige interior.. BUT Cadillac seemingly doesn';t want U to kno this?

i was at the auto show locally here yesterday and spent a fair amount of time looking at the Cadillacs on hand. Cadillac had great representation in terms of people and examples of their cars. Since they finally have the new XT4 it seemed like a lot of Cadillac interest from the show attenders, more than recent years IMO. Most people were looking at the Escalade or XT5 and those looking at the XT5 discovered the XT4. I have been a bit of a rag on the XT5 but admit that it is probably the core product for Cadillac right now and the one that keeps the doors open the most along with the Escalade. And so the XT5 is positioned to sell (to the women like mentioned above by someone, c'mon this is the truth). Looking at all the competition in one place it is true, the Cadillac interior does lack when compared to nice high end Mercedes and BMW, and then you look at Ford Edges and the like and you understand that Cadillac perceives their best sales volume to be in the squishy zone that is above the mainstream brands but not top tier. They position their crossovers to blend some perception of luxury but not be exclusive. I think the XT6 is needed, it's unfortunate its a frankenstein rushed to market with parts bin approach but it is far too clear that crossovers is where the sales volume is, and this is the quick way to solve that for Cadillac. Cadillac could and should improve interiors and try to offer something more enticing in the powertrain department than just the 3.6. Unless Cadillac can feel like they can exclusively compete in the market only in higher priced segments, we will continue to have B grade interiors and common powertrains. On the higher trim packages the Cadillacs do make a much better impression on interiors so maybe the problem is the base level interiors that they feel they need to keep their base trim vehicles attractively priced. EVERYONE at these shows is looking almost entirely at crossovers and trucks. So you can understand why Cadillac may be wanting to soften the quest for excellence and just try to get stuff out there that sells while the market is scorched earth. (I would even suggest that Cadillac should consider offering a pickup again). I spent a lot of time in this sweet rig yesterday. Had a nice long conversation with a gentlemen and his very young son (his son proudly said he was 'a Cadillac man too'). Heard some other people talk at length too and ask some of the reps some questions. One of the reps told someone the CT6 will go on 'haitus' for a year or so in about a year or two and will be 'redesigned'. Not easy to decipher if that means whole new model or if current model changes plants and gets some cosmetic surgery. I would have taken this sweet CT6 as is exactly (although i wish it were the twin turbo). Crystal white plus tan. oOh yeah. People still believe Cadillac is a large sedan brand, despite the Crossover focus, it is still clear Cadillac's stereotype is large crusing sedans. When they have gotten away from that the last ten years or so like they have that partially explains Cadillac's faltering. It also explains that I believe to still have a large sedan in the future is critical for brand image, crossovers be darned. How well Cadillac does this car and the Escalade IMO will do far more to keep Cadillac's image than getting too tricky on the crossovers part. Crossovers, just give the people what they want and cash the checks.

Sounds right to me. Honestly, they could being back the Commander name....

Are you intentionally not understanding?

Traverse, Tahoe, Suburban = Acadia, Enclave, Yukon, Yukon XL = XT6, Escalade, Escalade ESV = Explorer, Expedition, Expedition Max = Highlander, Sequoia, Land Cruiser = Grand Cherokee XL, Wagoneer, Grand Wagoneer Even Nissan has it, though down a size class each with Rogue, Pathfinder, Armada

They're building a whole new plant to be able to build it.

Again, I will believe it once we see it. We’ve been waiting on the Wagoneer for years ?

Of the 3 E-bodies, I think the Toronado from '90 onward wore the 'upsized downsized' MCE the best...

Yes, and little fins (finlets?) on the roof, along w/ skegs on the rear lower corners..

the plastic on MB has to stop. They just got sued for it in the UK and lost.

Moar fins is more gooder. Needs some on the hood also

It is absurd. Even the image on the screen is rotated to a sideview of the interior of the car... so you have to mentally rotate your head to imagine which seat she's sitting in based on the image rather than a top-down view which in my opinion would make more sense.

Not to get off topic, but it still infuriates me to no end how 99% of the controls are in the screen. I mean, seriously, goddaughter is in the back seat and wants her heated seat on... driver has to go into the climate menu, then tap her seat to the desired level of heat. C'mon. So much unnecessary time looking away from the road. I was amused at the Yulelog you can play on the screen.

They weren't going to do test drives anymore. They offer the 7 day/1000 mile return policy instead. Now, test drives will remain and so will the return policy. (except for the $1,200 delivery charge, I imagine to keep away people who are just trying to get a free rental car)

Why does every thread involve a fight with a Mercedes-Benz? 1997 Mercedes ML was preceded by 1996 Infiniti QX4 1996 Lexus LX 1995 Acura SLX 1991 Oldsmobile Bravada (first generation) 1996 Oldsmobile Bravada (second generation) 1994 Land Rover Range Rover 1996 Mercury Mountaineer (equivalent to a Ford Explorer Limited or Eddie Bauer in its first iteration) And if not the '63 Grand Wagoneer, at least the Grand Wagoneer of 1984. These were priced around the same as an Eldorado or Mark series at the time. Definitely luxury vehicles. Mercedes was not even close to "first".

My daughter hitting 177 Miles per hour in a 911 GT3 at a Las Vegas Exotics experience. I guess all that autocross time paid off for her... Depends on the woman.

Absolutely agree. My wife and I recently drive tested few crossovers for her and there is a huge difference in feel between turbo fours and V6s.

Cadillac Korea is doing a live Instagram calling it Reborn CT6.

whatcha squintin at? - - - - -

I would agree with those, and add the 1912 Cadillac, which introduced electric lights / starter.

I warned her against it...but she has a thing for older Cadillacs as a commuter car. Her '15 Trax only has 15k miles, not driving it much.

During an announcement that FCA will be building a new manufacturing plant in Detroit, FCA let it known that in addition to the forthcoming full-size Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer SUVs, another new 3-row SUV was in the works for Jeep. Auto Express UK reports today that this new SUV will technically be a 3-row version of the Grand Cherokee, but Jeep President and FCA Boss Mike Manley thinks it will not wear the Grand Cherokee name, instead taking on an new moniker. His reasoning for not re-using the name is that the Grand Cherokee is such an iconic name and image. It would be like if Jeep dramatically changed the Wrangler, he'd face a customer revolt. The last 3-row SUV Jeep sold was the 2006 - 2010 Jeep Commander. Jeep currently uses the Commander name on the Grand Commander, based on the smaller Cherokee, as a China-Only model. Manley says that the segment the Grand Cherokee plays in covers both 2-row and 3-row SUVs, so the Grand Cherokee has only been covering about 40% of the potential market. Moving into this segment would allow Jeep to compete more directly with the Ford Explorer, Toyota Highlander, and Honda Pilot. FCA already sells a vehicle in the 3-row segment with the Dodge Durango which also rides on the same platform as the Jeep Grand Cherokee. No future plans have been announced for the Dodge Durango, so it could be that this Jeep will take over for the Durango in the FCA lineup. FCA hopes to break ground on it's new facility by the end of 2nd quarter 2019 and have the first of the new 3-row SUVs rolling off the line by the end of 2020 as 2021 models. Related: Quick Drive: 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT Trackhawk View full article

Easy there, big fella! That's the overall length, not the wheelbase. WB was 151" in '75-76. Series 75 was the (factory built) formal sedan / limousine. - - - - - New client today has a brand new 740. I would say 'I don't want to know a person that would consider a smell cartridge 'important' for their vehicle', tho this woman seems nice so far. If I get on friendly enough terms, I'll ask about the 7series, you hardly see them anymore, esp since BMW has placed all their future stock in their high volume, downmarket lines.

While the market is hot, they need to be in there. I don't know if Dodge or Ram will get mid size or full size also, but Jeep is THE SUV brand at FCA..everything else is secondary.

The GC is already in the 40s-50s in most trim levels--the GC-based 3-row will likely be in the same range, so the full size Ram-based models would be above that. I'd assume a full size BOF Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer would start in at least the Expedition/Tahoe/Yukon price range.. I can see the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer targeting a broad spectrum of the full size market from Expedition/Tahoe/Suburban up to Navigator/Denali/Escalade but with off road capable versions (ala Ram Power Wagon) available.. Jeep likes having a lot of trims on their models across a price range. I recall a while back talk of a potential version at Range Rover price levels..Jeep is ambitious. Can FCA pull it off? Time will tell, but in recent years they seem to be hitting home runs w/ Jeep and Ram..

The current TT is on MQB, along with countless other VWAG products. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group_MQB_platform

As one that has allergies and is sensitive to smells like cologne or perfumes, I couldn't imagine having it in a car..ugh.

I hate your guts.. but I can't believe I'm saying it.. for once in a long time we are of like mind. ARGHH!!!! Who wa sin charge of Cadillac back in 2006 when this whole thing with Platinum came about? This was in fact during the BLING BLING years in Pop culture.. so that explains the metal obsession. U're right tho.. Cadillac should abandon all of this BS and actually steal one more thing from the past and offer packaging. I'd seriously call it SERIES instead of Package. Similar in the way the 7Series can be optioned (Quick point of fact.. the Series Fleetwood 75 in 1976 had a 252.2 in (6,406 mm) Wheel base, meaning its wheelbase was longer than a SUBURBAN in length from bumper to bumper)

why do people think they have to stand in the way of progress. if you don't want one, don't buy one.

Elon needs to go on his meds.... or maybe he already did.

Cadillac hasn't been at Pittsburgh for a few years. But that show is run by the dealerships rather than the manufacturers. Lincoln was there, but not Cadillac. I don't know why. You're definitely on to something about the trim names. Those ones in particular are so overused.

There are a few things the French do well. Cars are NOT one of them. Peugeot should stay in Europe, thank you very much.

My gut tells me they will FAIL. Fiat is a FAILURE, ALFA is back from the Grave by ROBBING the profits of Jeep, Ram, Dodge, Chrysler. Yet the Quality of both name plates are terrible. Billions spent, very little return compared to the abuse that the name plates that keep making profits take. Over all, I was hoping for the DS line, but clearly that is not what they think can work.I do not believe like the story says that PSA is stupid, but I do think they are not acting fast enough and are not looking down the road long enough to what they really need to do here. I think a socialist car company with poor quality issues is going to fail long term and some European gov is going to have to bail them out or let market dynamics play out and kill it.

Not bad for one guy and a desktop computer.

Korea Cadillac is now doing a live introduction to the market of the CT6 sedan.

I want to say 2017 as it would come on the latest version of UConnect. Will need to double check some notes.

Yup, they've all been named here already. Model T, Beetle, Jeep are the three biggies. One could also argue for the Cugnot steam powered vehicle of the late 1700's. The Cugnot seems to be where electrics are now in 2019, in terms of development and market readiness.

Get on your General boys to do this. Their CUV lineup is as bland as anybody else's. No CUV as a high performance street version and no CUV has a high performance off-road version.

I totally get what your saying as both cars and CUV's have become very bland and that is why I clearly state the two SUVs that I did as they stood out from the crowd. We really need some exciting changes. @Matt 967 Welcome Matt to Cheers and Gears. Look forward to your input here and learning more about what you drive and like and thoughts on the auto industry. Again, Welcome!

My sister's '06 STS has about 135k miles. It's back in the shop again w/ more electrical gremlins. The engine has been fine, she's put about 5000 miles on it since getting it last August.

I was thinking it looks just right in the elements for a Trail Boss. Yea could use a Canyon Trail boss next to it.

How is the forward visibility from the driver's seat? The front end seems awfully tall..