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  1. surreal1272
    And? The Vette using two engines is not a big deal at all so adding one more is perfectly fine in this realm. Again, it's called choice which is ALWAYS a good thing. You are also assuming that this will be in addition to a regular Vette, which no one knows for sure at this point. If it replaces the current model entirely, then that makes this an even smarter move by GM to offer more choice in the engine department. However, even if they do keep the current Vette (front engine), then it still isn't a big deal to have three engine choice for the more expensive mid-engine model. BTW, you made my point about this by illustrating the 911 engine uses here. The Vette uses a similar formula so again, this is not a big deal except for those just looking to, yet again, nitpick GM. One last thing. How many engine choices are there for the low volume S Class? I bring it up because they sell fewer models of it than Chevy does for the Vette so I'm curious how you address that
  2. surreal1272
    Porsche has offered multiple engines on the 911 for years and is also low volume. Options are a good thing too, last time I checked.
  3. surreal1272
    Don't care for Audi at all. Just overdressed VWs that are just too vanilla for me. Just my opinion though And yes, a few sedans are selling but the key word there is "few".
  4. surreal1272
    Go look at overall sedan sales versus CUV and truck sales and try again to tell us that they aren't taking a beating. Retail overall is down which does not include rental sales. This is from a few months ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/07/03/june-auto-sales.html
  5. surreal1272
    Possibly. However my main point was that SMK is ragging on GM for being worth "less" than Tesla when Daimler is not far from being passed by Tesla themselves, thus exposing his double standard because he wouldn't dare bring up that fact as a negative against Daimler like he is trying to do against GM.
  6. surreal1272
    My mistake however Tesla is claiming while Daimler has been relatively stagnant. In six months (at its current rate of gain), they will surpass Daimler. Where your argument move to at that point since you use it as a negative against GM? https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4062035-tesla-set-become-second-biggest-global-carmaker-market-cap-next-year
  7. surreal1272
    "The best or nothing" Guess they chose nothing.
  8. surreal1272
    It wasn't mindless defending. It was shooting down the usual BS by the usual suspects and presenting simple facts. It's that simple. I like Tesla and I like a fair portion of GM but I'm not blind to simple facts and when the same trolls keep spewing the same bar moving nonsense, over and over again, I'm going to call them out on it.
  9. surreal1272
    Lol! Yet Fiat and Alfa are still, by far, the weak sales links on the FCA chain.
  10. surreal1272
    Damn. Looks like almost everyone is taking a severe beating this year. Ouch!
  11. surreal1272
    ATS=CT4 CTS=CT5 That is not being killed off. The name change has been in the works for years now. Mercedes has pulled a similar deal with some of their models but I'm sure you wouldn't call them being "killed off". GLK=GLC
  12. surreal1272
    Tesla is also worth more than Mercedes but we will just gloss over that little fact for now.
  13. surreal1272
    I agree. I was trying to be slightly optimistic though lol.
  14. surreal1272
    I think it will be less than half that (if that) due to well known supply constraints and their history of underproduction.
  15. surreal1272
    See that's where you got things twisted up. It makes sense for Benz to do an EV CUV for reasons already stated. You're the one giving Tesla a free pass on not doing when if this were a GM product, you would bemoan the fact that they released a sedan when sedans are struggling in the market place. Oh oh and the B Class is $h! because it has no real range and is fugly from every angle. I've already told you this so don't try to put words in my mouth when you clearly haven't paid attention to the words being said here. To all three points, yes and then some. It's just more of that bar moving by SMK to fit his narrative that everything GM is $h!.
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    The hell you can't compare them because you just did. 0-60 is not everything and the base model 3 is 5.6 seconds. You have to pay more money to unlock more power out of it. Again, the Bolt has a longer range than the standard 3, more cargo room and a far better service and dealer network, all things that are truly important to those grocery getter you referenced earlier but now are trying to side step. Oh and you will never find a 3 at $35K, never. MT had no problem comparing the Bolt to the S not too long ago and it held up quite well against it yet you think you can't compare it to a 3? https://www.google.com/amp/www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/bolt-ev/2017/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-vs-2016-tesla-model-s-60/amp/
  17. surreal1272
    And this is why the B Class is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
  18. surreal1272
    Again, you said in an earlier post that these cars are for the grocery getter types, which makes performance a far less desirable trait than versatility. And your weak B Class argument holds no water as it has no real electric range and is six shades of fugly. How well is it doing btw compared to the Bolt? And you are modifying your CUV argument because of who is involved here. Fact is that if this were Cadillac here, you would be typing away about their need for more CUVs not more sedans that don't sell. Sorry but if the rule applies to Cadillac then it most certainly applies to everyone else given the current sales climate. The Prius has a hatch as does the Volt. Try again. And 180,000 "orders" is not 180,000 produced which has been Teslas Achilles heel from the get go. They haven't provided close to that number yet. Hell they haven't sold that many total cars yet but you think they can do it with one half baked car, just because it's Tesla? Again, I like Tesla overall but I also live in the real world where they have not proven that they can handle that type of production yet.
  19. surreal1272
    So I question why you continue to move the bar when it doesn't suit your agenda. For example, for that range increase you bring up, you have to spend $9K more. Why doesn't it offer more range when it's the same price as the Bolt while being less versatile and far more spartan on standard features and appearance? And again, by your own admission this will be for the grocery getter crowd so why try to upsell on its handling when those same folks could care less while wanting more cargo room to haul those groceries? See how that bar can be moved back to its original place now?
  20. surreal1272
    Apples to oranges. We are not talking about the Volt since it is not a EV only car like the 3. We are talking about the Bolt which does seat five and has far more cargo room. That is the whole reason why CUVs are being picked over sedans. Remember? This is a perfect example of why Tesla should have released a CUV is this price range as opposed to the struggling sedan market. If this were a $35-40K Cadillac EV sedan, you would say the exact thing as what we are saying about the 3. Stop moving the bar to fit your argument just because of the brand in question.
  21. surreal1272
    And the Bolt has far more cargo and hauling room for families than the 3 but hey let's just ignore why CUVs are putting sedans in the dirt because it is not convenient to your argument.
  22. surreal1272
    I don't care about the order in which things were spoken. You think Cadillac should prove their sedans cheaper than their CUVs and I'm saying that they do not have to do that and it can work given the Mercedes example I gave, end of story. The gen 1 CTS you reference at $35K would sell for $40K if you adjust for inflation. You clearly did not consider that while you were so busy moving that bar. Mercedes "will have". The key words there are "will" and "have" while they really have zero here right now. GM already has one, the Bolt which I would take over the Tesla just for having a hatch and far more cargo flexibility. Oh and it isn't priced anywhere near $59K under any configuration. Sorry. I like Tesla overall but the 3 is a big miss for me. Just ugly. "Can learn"? Sorry but what exactly have they been doing with that massive R&D budget you crow so much about? The learning should have already been there from the "best or nothing" luxury car company.
  23. surreal1272
    $40K does not get you luxury. More like the $59K, I quoted earlier, for true luxury (and yes, an extended range battery is indeed a luxury). The Toyota you speak of would be the Toyota Echo.
  24. surreal1272
    Those interior pictures confirms my issues with it. Plain Jane spartan interior with a glorified iPad Pro sitting up top.
  25. surreal1272
    I like Tesla overall but to those who said Cadillac should be worried about this car, go get your eyes checked. The interior is just horrible in its plainness.
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