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GM's Epsilon 2 platform might bring diesels to U.S

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Northstar    11
By Jason Stein
Automotive News / September 19, 2005

FRANKFURT -- General Motors' next-generation mid-sized vehicle architecture will be able to accommodate engines from around the world, a high-ranking GM executive says.

That means fuel-efficient diesels could come to North America from Europe by the end of the decade on the Epsilon 2 architecture, Hans Demant, managing director of Adam Opel AG, told Automotive News at the Frankfurt auto show last week.

"The next-generation of Epsilon in North America will have full access to all of the European powertrains," Demant said.

"When you look into the (Chevrolet) Malibu today or the Pontiac G6, they have certain limitations with regard to the size of the powertrain. With Epsilon 2, we can put our powertrains into those vehicles."

That will allow GM to react more quickly to changing market demands, Demant said.

The goal is that vehicles on Epsilon 2 built around the world will share dimensions, components and manufacturing processes.

The sharing of engines falls under GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz's definition of interbuildability, a term that includes manufacturing and engineering, Demant says.

"It is the total spectrum of options and features available for use anywhere," Demant says. "If someone says they want a diesel in North America … we have a high-efficient diesel engine, and we can ship it. The (architectures) will all share the same module. We'll just be able to stick it in."

Demant also said GM has increased the range of dimensions on Epsilon 2. The front overhang has increased by 3 or 4 inches and so has the width and road height of the vehicle.

Full article: http://www.autonews.com/article.cms?articleId=54521

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Croc    268
What on earth are you talking about? The front overhangs aren't large on the current gen, and a few inches really won't be all that noticeable. Gawky designs? I hardly call the 9-3, Aura or G6 "gawky."

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evok    0
Let me translate:

Demant also said GM has increased the range of dimensions on Epsilon 2. The front overhang has increased by 3 or 4 inches on the european cars to commonize with the current US vehicles and comform to US frontal occupant protection requirements thereby harmonizing the architecture globally. Edited by evok

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regfootball    250
"The next-generation of Epsilon in North America will have full access to all of the European powertrains," Demant said. ++++ While they are at it, maybe they can do something reasonable and add some WIDTH to the Epsilon platform, too.

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z28luvr01    170

oh yeah, like a GM car needs MORE OVERHANG!

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The European cars will be getting the increased overhang, so that now both US and European Epsilons will have the same front overhang length. So for the US, there'll be a minimal increase if any.

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-Camaro-    0
Oh that would have been good, before they got greedy and started charging more for diesel than Premium unleaded!! Who wants a slight increase in mileage, when you have to pay alot more for diesel? Edited by -Camaro-

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Flybrian    0

Let me translate:

Demant also said GM has increased the range of dimensions on Epsilon 2. The front overhang has increased by 3 or 4 inches on the european cars to commonize with the current US vehicles and comform to US frontal occupant protection requirements thereby harmonizing the architecture globally.

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Dude, did anyone even read what he said?

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VenSeattle    8

While they are at it, maybe they can do something reasonable and add some WIDTH to the Epsilon platform, too.

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Uh... did you read the post????????

Demant also said GM has increased the range of dimensions on Epsilon 2. The front overhang has increased by 3 or 4 inches and so has the width and road height of the vehicle.

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Ghost Dog    1
Opel's 2 stage Turbocharged 1.9 liter diesel

http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cfm/news...009/opel/1.html



2 stage turbocharging is a key part of the EPA's Clean Diesel Combustion system

Pdf page 10

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/technology/deerpresentation.pdf Edited by Ghost Dog

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ocnblu    773
Sounds good to me, it will certainly allow GM to be super-flexible to market demands worldwide. I just hope that nifty FWD/RWD/AWD feature wasn't just a nasty rumor.

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91z4me    0

Let me translate:

Demant also said GM has increased the range of dimensions on Epsilon 2. The front overhang has increased by 3 or 4 inches on the european cars to commonize with the current US vehicles and comform to US frontal occupant protection requirements thereby harmonizing the architecture globally.

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So the US vehicles won't change their front overhang unless they get smaller, right?

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ehaase    18
GuionM on the Camaro Z28 board seems to hint that the next generation Impala will use a stretched Epsilon 2 platform, while the Zeta RWD platform will be used for a more upscale Chevrolet sedan. At least this is what he seems to hint at.

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evok    0

GuionM on the Camaro Z28 board seems to hint that the next generation Impala will use a stretched Epsilon 2 platform, while the Zeta RWD platform will be used for a more upscale Chevrolet sedan.  At least this is what he seems to hint at.

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We are in rumour phase at the moment. Chi seems to be shelved. But it appears that may be the directions where the Impala moves to the lwb EpII platform instead of Chi. Edited by evok

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Ghost Dog    1

We are in rumour phase at the moment.  Chi seems to be shelved.  But it appears that may be the directions where the Impala moves to the lwb EpII platform instead of Chi.

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Hmm Capacity wise that would mean three N.A. EP2 plants?

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evok    0

Hmm Capacity wise that would mean three N.A. EP2 plants?

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Here is what I am figuring based on fact and fiction:

Oshawa 1 will convert to eps II (Lacrosse and Impala) and Oshawa II will go RWD in the 2009 - 2010 time frame.

I just don't know what GM will eventually do with the D-Ham vehicles and the plant itself. The only thing I can guess at is that it will produce overflow EPSII and TE vechicles.

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We are in rumour phase at the moment.  Chi seems to be shelved.  But it appears that may be the directions where the Impala moves to the lwb EpII platform instead of Chi.

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Sounds plausable...a stretched EII platform could make sense as a replacement for the W-body platform..

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Ghost Dog    1

Here is what I am figuring based on fact and fiction:

Oshawa 1 will convert to eps II (Lacrosse and Impala) and Oshawa II will go RWD in the 2009 - 2010 time frame.

I just don't know what GM will eventually do with the D-Ham vehicles and the plant itself.  The only thing I can guess at is that it will produce overflow EPSII and TE vechicles.

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That Makes Sense to me. If There is a RWD Caprice,Then Monte Carlo can Share that Architecture.

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