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So what about an Epsilon II G6?

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So we have a new Malibu out now, have seen what the next Aura will likely look like (Insignia), seen a preview of the LaCrosse replacement (Invicta concept), heard that SAAB will get Epsilon II-based 9-3 and 9-5 replacements, but what about Pontiac? When is the second ever G6 coming?

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Hopefully, it will be Alpha-based, but if it turns out to be on EP II I will not be too disappointed, and could live with that fact if it also has all-wheel drive on the build sheets.

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Hopefully, it will be Alpha-based, but if it turns out to be on EP II I will not be too disappointed, and could live with that fact if it also has all-wheel drive on the build sheets.

Would be nice...but I have doubts about whether we will see Alpha....one scenario I see as very likely is GM sticking with it's current 90% or so FWD cars with only a few select RWD models (Corvette, Camaro, Cadillacs) and explaining it away as to meet future CAFE regs..

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Yeah, so what happened to GMX327 and GMX387? Northie says it's cancelled but Ted says otherwise...

I'm confused...

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Yeah, so what happened to GMX327 and GMX387? Northie says it's cancelled but Ted says otherwise...

I'm confused...

Hmmm, after tomorrow my monies on Ted. :AH-HA_wink:

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I am affraid the longer this goes on the more it will be Epsilon II for the G6 and a Alpha for the G8 if we are lucky.

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Of course it's gonna be EPII.... It can't possibly go on on EPI until 2013. I'd put my moneys on a small RWD G5 Replacement.

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It's the 70's... today.

Hopefully it will be the 60's tomorrow. :P :AH-HA_wink:

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I would like to see a G6 that is FWD for more volume performance mainstream, but make it different enough. With a RWD G8, Solstice and possibly coupe G8 along with the ST and GXP that would be enough RWD performance. I would like to see a new FWD G5, Torrent (revamp on Theta II), EP II G6, Delta G5, and a coupe, wagon and truck and sedan verison of G8 and of course the includes a Solstice. They can do an all GM Vibe with the HHR.

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I f**king wish some of the wisdom & coolness of the 1960s was to rub off on this decade!

RWD for life, Aiight!

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Someone please explain to me how a RWD car weighing the same as a similarly sized FWD car with the same engine will get so much worse mileage.

An EP-II G6 is unnecessary with at least one EP-II Buick in the same showroom. Just make it on Alpha already and stop screwing around.

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I keep on hearing this thing about RWD equates to bad economy, but I still don't understand this theory or see any solid proof. What's wrong with having RWD with a small 4-cylinder, then light pressure turbo'ed 4-cylinder, then V6 as top of line? Some Japanese Keicars are still RWD, yet they still get more than 50MPG, better than that POS Prius. And I see that as smaller engines and lighter weight.

If moving to Alpha means keeping it the same size or very marginally downsize it, I'm all for it.

If the G6 going to EPII means growing it to be another W-Body, then I say no. That will clearly step into NG Allure's toes. If anything, the size of the G6 right now is about right, just lose the extra weight.

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I keep on hearing this thing about RWD equates to bad economy, but I still don't understand this theory or see any solid proof. What's wrong with having RWD with a small 4-cylinder, then light pressure turbo'ed 4-cylinder, then V6 as top of line? Some Japanese Keicars are still RWD, yet they still get more than 50MPG, better than that POS Prius. And I see that as smaller engines and lighter weight.

Well, ya know...

We never got any solid proof of global warming either, but that didn't stop Congress from limiting our freedom and driving the final nail into Detroit's coffin (The real intention of some of the green legislators)

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Why can't GM work on a next generation Zeta II platform with updates/improvements to reduce weight and improve fuel economy? This platform is a competent platform that is utilized on a global basis by the corporation; why not invest some money into it to reduce weight and install some fuel efficient powertrain technologies?

I still see a future RWD three sedan/coupe lineup in Pontiac's future utilizing the Alpha and Zeta platforms:

* Compact (G4?): Sedan and coupe on Alpha platform.

* Midsize (G6?): Sedan and coupe on SWB Zeta II platform. I know the current G8 is on the current SWB version of this platform, but I think a marginally larger next generation G8 could be built on the LWB Zeta II platform. This would leave room in Pontiac's lineup to offer a sedan to bridge the gap between the larger G8 and the much smaller Alpha based G4.

* Large (G8): A sedan and coupe on LWB Zeta II platform that would be marginally larger than today's G8 sedan.

* I haven't forgotten about the Solstice, it would continue on as a roadster and 2 seat coupe (I'm hearing rumors that the next generation would be built on Alpha?)

I think GM has the talent and resources to make this happen if they would dedicate themselves to the task.

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I keep on hearing this thing about RWD equates to bad economy, but I still don't understand this theory or see any solid proof. What's wrong with having RWD with a small 4-cylinder, then light pressure turbo'ed 4-cylinder, then V6 as top of line? Some Japanese Keicars are still RWD, yet they still get more than 50MPG, better than that POS Prius. And I see that as smaller engines and lighter weight.

If moving to Alpha means keeping it the same size or very marginally downsize it, I'm all for it.

If the G6 going to EPII means growing it to be another W-Body, then I say no. That will clearly step into NG Allure's toes. If anything, the size of the G6 right now is about right, just lose the extra weight.

I don't get the RWD=bad MPG thinking, either. Granted, RWD has a small weight penalty, but I'd rather loose 100-200 pounds of sound deadening, wires and insulation instead of the ride and drive of RWD.

Here's a great start for the new CAFE requirements:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9f4Ix6sia8

35mpg in 1975... with RWD even!

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I still see a future RWD three sedan/coupe lineup in Pontiac's future utilizing the Alpha and Zeta platforms:

* Compact (G4?): Sedan and coupe on Alpha platform.

* Midsize (G6?): Sedan and coupe on SWB Zeta II platform. I know the current G8 is on the current version of this platform, but I think a marginally larger next generation G8 could be built on the LWB Zeta II platform. This would leave room in Pontiac's lineup to offer a sedan to bridge the gap between the larger G8 and the much smaller Alpha based G4.

* Large (G8): A sedan and coupe on LWB Zeta II platform that would be marginally larger than today's G8 sedan.

* I haven't forgot about the Solstice, it would continue on as a roadster and 2 seat coupe (I'm hearing rumors that the next generation would be built on Alpha?)

I think GM has the talent and resources to make this happen if they would dedicate themselves to the task.

Obviously, I had the Gx series of names... but I hate that Pontiac is using even numbers more (obviously, except for the G5).

For some reason, odd numbers give me a slightly better feeling of feng shui. In this world...

G1 - Smart car competitor.

G3 - Existing Cobalt clone.

G5 - Existing G6.

G7 - Existing G8.

G9 - Larger G8 vehicle... Bonne sized.

But this was all a non sequitur.

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The CAFE targets will protect rwd cars by a simple equation: rwd cars have a longer wheelbase than a comparable fwd car, and will thus have a larger footprint and a lower CAFE target. The formula for calculating the required fuel economy is continuous, not segment-based so a rwd car gets a slight boost over a fwd car.

Last I heard the next gen G6 was going to be a rebadged EPII Chevy, no separate development program, but perhaps PCS has some inside info favoring one.

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I hope the next G6 is EPII for many reasons... Once again I don't think with cafe RWD will be a popular option sorry. A classly FWD car would be just fine so long as it is different from the Malibu and sporty enough

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Torrent's dead. Read: GMC Terrain.

^This would be stupid some people want a sporty CUV, like me if it was a GMC I would have got a Chevy.^

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The CAFE targets will protect rwd cars by a simple equation: rwd cars have a longer wheelbase than a comparable fwd car, and will thus have a larger footprint and a lower CAFE target. The formula for calculating the required fuel economy is continuous, not segment-based so a rwd car gets a slight boost over a fwd car.

Last I heard the next gen G6 was going to be a rebadged EPII Chevy, no separate development program, but perhaps PCS has some inside info favoring one.

If this is the case then I might have to keep my G6 running then. I don't want a Pontiac Tempest...

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If this is the case then I might have to keep my G6 running then. I don't want a Pontiac Tempest...

What is wrong with a Pontiac Tempest?

blue1970tempesthardtop800pixel.jpg

I have always found them to be a strikingly sculpted car, much like their Chevelle siblings, but to each his own, I suppose! :P

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