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SANTA MONICA, California — Images and specifications of the 2009 Acura TL made their way onto the Web today, ahead of Acura's planned debut for next week. Acura had previously released only a front view and preliminary information for the all-new fourth-generation TL.

The 2009 TL will be offered in two versions: front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive. This is the first time Honda's Super-Handling all-wheel drive will be available on the midsize sedan. The front-wheel-drive version gets a 280-horsepower 3.5-liter SOHC V6 engine, and the TL SH-AWD will use a 305-hp 3.7-liter SOHC V6. Both engines are mated to a sequential sportshift five-speed automatic transmission with paddle shifters.

The 2009 TL also gets a completely revamped interior when it goes on sale this fall.

What this means to you: Mixed reactions from the press room here as we start to digest the TL's new look. — Kelly Toepke, News Editor

Source: Inside Line

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In terms of exterior styling, I think the Opel Insignia has it all over this Acura.

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My opinion improves. :)

I still dunno about the rear fascia though...

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That grille is just so...ugh. I can't get over it. I really do prefer the '08 TL, I think it looks so much better. The interior reminds me of a blend of the RL, MDX, and Accord.

I really do love Honda's J-Series V6, however.

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Looks better in these photos, but I still prefer the current model. I love the roofline and wedgy rear of the current car...some of the details of the new one are pretty strange..don't like the front fascia or the grille, or the lights (reflectors?) set into the rear bumper---they look like an afterthought. And the poorly executed rear door cutline (the door upper (window frame) cutline and chrome trim aren't aligned). I am looking forward to seeing it in person, though.

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The side looks okay, but the front is still ugly, the grille is so massive, and the upcurved thin headlights make it look like an Asian kid with braces.

The rear, as expected from spyshots, looks like a mix of Aura and Civic, but it looks very busy.

The interior is nice, as is typical of Honda.

Overall, a C. It's average, nothing new or interesting, besides the gawdy grille. I like the current car better.

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Why am I laughing out loud... alone, infront of my computer? :

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Whole front clip looks like it's off another car.... another even uglier car.

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Looks very nice, I'm liking this car. The tail lights still aren't quite fitting, but not bad. I can't wait to drive one of these, in black which should look 10x better.

What this means to you: Mixed reactions from the press room here as we start to digest the TL's new look. — Kelly Toepke, News Editor

Why do they always stick the "what this means to you" bits in at the end, with utterly meaningless dribble written in them?

The world will never know.

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And the poorly executed rear door cutline (the door upper (window frame) cutline and chrome trim aren't aligned). I am looking forward to seeing it in person, though.

I see what you mean, the door cut line is strange. Why didn't they make that last bit of chrome part of the door?

Oh well it certainly isn't bad. It could be much worse.....

10 e-cookies for the first person to guess what car this styling disaster comes from:

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What's so 'disasterous' about that? Certainly not awkward or weird... and basically, just about everything has these non-functional 'rear vent panes' these days; byproduct of too-short cars.

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OOPS! I missed this posting of the article. I have cut and pasted my comments from the other posting below:

I think the overall shape is not bad.

There are 3 things that I dislike about the exterior design:

1) The most obvious one is the grille. This totally ruins the front end design. Hopefully, Acura rethinks this grille design and extensively alters it soon (like the next model year would be ideal) or offers an aftermarket replacement that is considerably less hideous. I would prefer a grille with a metallic finish surround with a bigger "A" emblem in the center with horizontal bars extending from the center of the emblem. I know Acura is trying to do something to the exterior of their cars to make a statement and help the cars stand out, but this grille treatment is the wrong solution.

2) The arch over the front wheel wells that distort the side character line. Though this styling error is not nearly as offensive as the overly blingy shield grille, it does make the car appear as though it has already been in a wreck. My suggestion would be to eliminate the arch and have the character line run in a straight line from the edge of the headlights to the edge of the taillights.

3) The fakeout piece applied to the C-pillar to alter the appearance of the roofline. This styling "practice" is one of my major auto design pet peeves. Although it is less obvious here than in some other recent offenders (Chrysler Sebring, Mazda6, and Chevy Cruze), I still think it somewhat cheapens the overall design. I think I could live with this blunder more than I could tolerate the grille or the front fender arch.

Other than the items mentioned above, I sort of like the rest of the design. I think the decklid shape is interesting, though it does reduce the usefulness of the trunk by providing a smaller and awkward shaped opening.

The interior is nice looking and appears to be well finished.

I am not a big Honda or Acura fan, but I think this would be a nice midsize near luxury sedan if Acura would refine some of the design blunders (the shield grille and the front fender arch need to go). I seriously doubt if this car will draw new customers to the Acura brand or assist in moving Acura upmarket. I'm not even sure if it will promote loyalty among current TL customers or attract those who wish to upgrade from their TSX sedans. I have a feeling that the front grille might repel a lot of potential buyers.

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I see what you mean, the door cut line is strange. Why didn't they make that last bit of chrome part of the door?

Oh well it certainly isn't bad. It could be much worse.....

10 e-cookies for the first person to guess what car this styling disaster comes from:

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Nothing wrong with that ('08 CTS). The CTS door upper/C-pillar is very well executed. There is no excuse for the nonsense of the door upper cutline of the TL, though.

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The fascias look terrible, the sides are ok, if pretty generic, and the interior looks very nice.

I see nothing wrong with the CTS's C-Pillar (or whatever car that is if it's not the CTS, but it appears to be)...

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The side looks okay, but the front is still ugly, the grille is so massive, and the upcurved thin headlights make it look like an Asian kid with braces.

The rear, as expected from spyshots, looks like a mix of Aura and Civic, but it looks very busy.

The interior is nice, as is typical of Honda.

Overall, a C. It's average, nothing new or interesting, besides the gawdy grille. I like the current car better.

+1

Chris

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Why am I laughing out loud... alone, infront of my computer? :

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Whole front clip looks like it's off another car.... another even uglier car.

Who said you were laughing alone?

Trust me, there are plenty of other people out here laughing with you.

Chris

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And actually, I find it interesting that even my friends that will only buy Japanese cars find this model Acura hideous.

Chris

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And actually, I find it interesting that even my friends that will only buy Japanese cars find this model Acura hideous.

Chris

I emailed a link to the article to two friends that own the current TLs (one an '04, the other an '06), they don't like the new one at first glance...one thought it was ugly, and the other immediately ruled it out because of the lack of a manual and the wierd styling.

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I present the 2009 TL Type S in Electron Blue Pearl!

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I emailed a link to the article to two friends that own the current TLs (one an '04, the other an '06), they don't like the new one at first glance...one thought it was ugly, and the other immediately ruled it out because of the lack of a manual and the wierd styling.

Not surprising since about 70% of the reactions on www.vtec.net are also negative. It's the same story as it was with the Civic, CR-V, TSX, RL, Pilot, Ridgeline... pretty much every new Honda product.

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I present the 2009 TL Type S in Electron Blue Pearl!

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Hey! You got rid of that awkward arch over the front wheel well. This car is starting to look better.

Now, if you could only fix that hideous grille, we might be in business...

If Acura could change these two styling offenses, then the car wouldn't look so bad.

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That is a hideous looking car from every angle. Using the Accord interior with a bigger nav screen, a few more buttons and some metal trim doesn't make it a luxury car. Acura sales should keep on going down.

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That is a hideous looking car from every angle. Using the Accord interior with a bigger nav screen, a few more buttons and some metal trim doesn't make it a luxury car. Acura sales should keep on going down.

:retard:

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I sort of like it actually, but the design isn't all that original. The front looks similar to the current one but with a new and weird grill, and I really like the back but you have to say it looks very similar to the back of the Civic coupe. The interior looks nice enough, but it does really look like a nice Accord in there.

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When I see this, I can't help but think "Bird Car", like something Hawkman would drive. ;)

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I sort of like it actually, but the design isn't all that original. The front looks similar to the current one but with a new and weird grill, and I really like the back but you have to say it looks very similar to the back of the Civic coupe. The interior looks nice enough, but it does really look like a nice Accord in there.

You can get optional wood trim, which will probably make it look more "luxury" and less like the Accord. Both the Accord and TL have a sporty/techno style interior, which is why they bare a resemblance. It isn't nearly as bad as the resemblance the Lexus IS has to the Camry and Corolla.

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I think the interiors are different enough... I'm beginning to dislike how wide the metal trim is above the glove box and along the center console and stack, though. I think I would get tired of it very soon.

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I think the interiors are different enough... I'm beginning to dislike how wide the metal trim is above the glove box and along the center console and stack, though. I think I would get tired of it very soon.

Yeah, I don't care for the fake metal trim...I'd have to have the plood and a two-tone interior (I like the tan and black on the current TL quite a bit).

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Yeah, I don't care for the fake metal trim...I'd have to have the plood and a two-tone interior (I like the tan and black on the current TL quite a bit).

I assume the wood is probably just as thick as the fake metal, in which case it would also probably become obnoxious, but perhaps it would be better.

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siegen... besides the extra hp along with AWD (and worse fuel economy) ... what's your opinion to why someone would pay $5k-6k more for the TL over a TSX?

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Star Trek, Transformers, and the Family Truckster all rolled up into one.

What a disaster.

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siegen... besides the extra hp along with AWD (and worse fuel economy) ... what's your opinion to why someone would pay $5k-6k more for the TL over a TSX?

Obviously, I'm not siegen :P, but permit me to opine on this as well...

The TSX is comparatively tiny, which would be important if you routinely have backseat passengers.

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One thing about this cars styling is that all the things that could be fixed to make this car look better, also make it more distinctive. It isn't just another sedan at least Acura is trying something different.

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One thing about this cars styling is that all the things that could be fixed to make this car look better, also make it more distinctive. It isn't just another sedan at least Acura is trying something different.

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Obviously, I'm not siegen :P, but permit me to opine on this as well...

The TSX is comparatively tiny, which would be important if you routinely have backseat passengers.

The new TSX is not small, and the back seats are pretty roomy.

siegen... besides the extra hp along with AWD (and worse fuel economy) ... what's your opinion to why someone would pay $5k-6k more for the TL over a TSX?

The V6 and AWD are probably the main reasons. There may be some features unique to the TL as well.

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New TSX's best selling feature may be the diesel variant if/when it arrives.

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Some more exterior/interior colors (these are official pics, not photoshopped like the blue one above):

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Looks better in darker colors. I like the 2 tone interior, would be better w/ plood, though..

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The dark colors do look better, but that grille is still retarded in that it's far too big.

The interior looks fantastic though...but then I never had a problem with the interior. I'm also happy it's metal or metallic plastic or whatever...wood doesn't go well with dark interiors to me.

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Yeah, I don't care for the fake metal trim...I'd have to have the plood and a two-tone interior (I like the tan and black on the current TL quite a bit).

+1

Chris

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The new TSX is not small, and the back seats are pretty roomy.

It didn't grow that much from the '08, from an interior dimension standpoint anyway. I felt cramped sitting in the back of the '08 TSX the few times that I did... haven't sat in the back of the '09 yet, but I doubt my legs would be able to tell the difference.

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It didn't grow that much from the '08, from an interior dimension standpoint anyway. I felt cramped sitting in the back of the '08 TSX the few times that I did... haven't sat in the back of the '09 yet, but I doubt my legs would be able to tell the difference.

Well ya better go sit in one. :neenerneener:

My 6'3" friend said there was plenty of room, even with me (the driver) having the seat back for me to be comfortable. My 5'11" friend in the passenger seat could stretch his legs completely forward and the guy behind him (sale guys) wasn't complaining (nor would he anyway). I was also very pleasantly surprised by the width increase, as two people can share the middle arm rest now without touching at all. It felt noticeably larger inside than the '08, and I liked the controls better as they seemed better placed.

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This thread has several high-res shots of the '09 TL in various colors.

Internet jesting aside, I am glad you seem to have found a car you like and that you seem to be getting near purchase time.

However, this thing is really, really, really not my cup of tea.

Honda does have great colors, though. My son Joel and I are thinking of doing a project car together and maybe I can use at at least the color on something.

But seriously, I am feeling no love whatsoever for Acura products right now.

Keep us posted on the center stack controls thing, it looks fairly well laid out, not something I can say for all Honda products as of late.

Chris

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Well ya better go sit in one. :neenerneener:

My 6'3" friend said there was plenty of room,

This is important. We have three teenagers living in our home, and it's amazing the cars (Dodge Charger for instance) that are large cars with horrible rear seat headroom.

This would actually be a major selling point to me, along with a smooth 6MT.

I just LOVE the 6MT in the S2000. Honda does build some of the nicest shifting manual tranny cars on the planet.

Chris

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Some more exterior/interior colors (these are official pics, not photoshopped like the blue one above):

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I do at least like the alloy wheels. They did a nice job with tham, they are very distinctive IMHO.

Chris

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i am not liking at all that interior. a major step backwards IMHO

not so much the center stack, that's nice. the brake handle, gauges and seats all shout cheap accord. and it looks like badge engineering.

the exterior is growing on me. i like the rear, the front viewed from the top is interesting. overall this is much nicer than say, the new maxima.

is this thing true dvd-audio capable?

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Wow, there is quite a ridiculous amount of fake metal on the door panels, too. They should have done some sort of wood/metal combination like the CTS to break up so much shiny silver plastic.

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Wow, there is quite a ridiculous amount of fake metal on the door panels, too. They should have done some sort of wood/metal combination like the CTS to break up so much shiny silver plastic.

Yeah...I don't care for fake metal...all plood would have been nicer. I assume there are trim levels with plood, like the current model. I like the interior design, pretty similar to the current car and the Accord...but the exterior, I'm not sure.

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is this thing true dvd-audio capable?

Yes, it is true 5.1 channel DVD-audio capable. The current TL also has 5.1 DVD-Audio and the ELS sound system standard.

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Yeah...I don't care for fake metal...all plood would have been nicer. I assume there are trim levels with plood, like the current model. I like the interior design, pretty similar to the current car and the Accord...but the exterior, I'm not sure.

The last model was real aluminum. I would assume this model is too.

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The last model was real aluminum. I would assume this model is too.

I have been hearing talk that it is real aluminum, but I haven't been able to confirm it or see it in writing in a review yet.

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Yes, it is true 5.1 channel DVD-audio capable. The current TL also has 5.1 DVD-Audio and the ELS sound system standard.

which would be the only reason I would ever buy an Acura.

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I have been hearing talk that it is real aluminum, but I haven't been able to confirm it or see it in writing in a review yet.

MDX, RL, and current TL all have real aluminum trim. The TSX & RDX recieve painted look alikes. Even more interesting is the fact that the TL is the only car in the fleet with both hi-beam and lo-beam HID's. Has been that way since introduction. The TL has always recieved the technology of the RL even the previous generation.

What's more is that the current MDX is trumped in all ways but two by the NG Pilot. The MDX has 300HP and AWD. That's it. Every other way the Pilot is superior. If you can live with the looks, lack of HID's, and NavTraffic, the Pilot Touring is the best deal going.

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Ok, well regardless of whether or not it is real or fake, there is way too much of it, IMO.

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MDX, RL, and current TL all have real aluminum trim. The TSX & RDX recieve painted look alikes. Even more interesting is the fact that the TL is the only car in the fleet with both hi-beam and lo-beam HID's. Has been that way since introduction. The TL has always recieved the technology of the RL even the previous generation.

What's more is that the current MDX is trumped in all ways but two by the NG Pilot. The MDX has 300HP and AWD. That's it. Every other way the Pilot is superior. If you can live with the looks, lack of HID's, and NavTraffic, the Pilot Touring is the best deal going.

you're forgetting styling, although the Pilot wins for 'best impersonation of an old isuzu trooper in an anime full feature' award, hands down.

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you're forgetting styling, although the Pilot wins for 'best impersonation of an old isuzu trooper in an anime full feature' award, hands down.

Yes...the MDX looks slick and premium...the Pilot looks like the bland family hauler it is.

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What's more is that the current MDX is trumped in all ways but two by the NG Pilot. The MDX has 300HP and AWD. That's it. Every other way the Pilot is superior. If you can live with the looks, lack of HID's, and NavTraffic, the Pilot Touring is the best deal going.

The MDX has more luxury features, a more powerful engine, luxurious interior, and sh-awd. You could say the Malibu is better than the CTS because the CTS only has power, RWD, and luxury features going for it. The same can be said about any luxury vs mainstream comparison.

Edit: You also don't get Acura total care service with the Pilot, or the ELS surround sound system.

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The MDX has more luxury features, a more powerful engine, luxurious interior, and sh-awd. You could say the Malibu is better than the CTS because the CTS only has power, RWD, and luxury features going for it. The same can be said about any luxury vs mainstream comparison.

Edit: You also don't get Acura total care service with the Pilot, or the ELS surround sound system.

I have compared both. We are in the market for either of them. As a current owner of a TSX, I was impressed by the difference in quality between an Accord similarly equiped and an Acura. However, this time the Pilot stacks up better if you remove design from the equation. Sincerely, the rear interior of the Acura is covered with rat fur cloth while the Pilot recieves carpet and more tasteful and usefull plastic. The rear of an MDX has 2 seats, Pilot 3. No vents for rear occupants in the Acura. The wood-like material on the dash is plastic unless you opt for the sport model then you recive aluminum only on the center stack and cup holder. The touring model has acoustical glass on sound deadening just like the MDX. The Pilot recieves rear sunshades which the MDX does not offer. The MDX does not feature a 112V outlet in the center console, the Pilot does. The Acura does not feature front park assist the Pilot does. Power liftgate is not standard however, Pilot Touring it is. Upper hatch does not open on the MDX, Pilot it does. Luggage rack is not standard on MDX, Pilot it is. The list of features that the MDX does have that the Pilot doesn't is this (exclud. style):

Power tilt and telescope wheel;

HID Lo-Beams;

XM NavTraffic;

300HP 3.7L;

SH-AWD;

That is it. I love Acura and I love the dealership experience BUT this time Honda cheapened up the MDX. You should be able to match or beat every feature on the Acura for the $7-$9k premium. Don't get me wrong, I hope Honda fixes it and the guy at the Acura dealership swears that they are.

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I have compared both. We are in the market for either of them. As a current owner of a TSX, I was impressed by the difference in quality between an Accord similarly equiped and an Acura. However, this time the Pilot stacks up better if you remove design from the equation. Sincerely, the rear interior of the Acura is covered with rat fur cloth while the Pilot recieves carpet and more tasteful and usefull plastic. The rear of an MDX has 2 seats, Pilot 3. No vents for rear occupants in the Acura. The wood-like material on the dash is plastic unless you opt for the sport model then you recive aluminum only on the center stack and cup holder. The touring model has acoustical glass on sound deadening just like the MDX. The Pilot recieves rear sunshades which the MDX does not offer. The MDX does not feature a 112V outlet in the center console, the Pilot does. The Acura does not feature front park assist the Pilot does. Power liftgate is not standard however, Pilot Touring it is. Upper hatch does not open on the MDX, Pilot it does. Luggage rack is not standard on MDX, Pilot it is. The list of features that the MDX does have that the Pilot doesn't is this (exclud. style):

Power tilt and telescope wheel;

HID Lo-Beams;

XM NavTraffic;

300HP 3.7L;

SH-AWD;

That is it. I love Acura and I love the dealership experience BUT this time Honda cheapened up the MDX. You should be able to match or beat every feature on the Acura for the $7-$9k premium. Don't get me wrong, I hope Honda fixes it and the guy at the Acura dealership swears that they are.

Luxury cars always cost more than they are economically worth when compared to mainstream cars. If you are comparing which makes more economic or practical sense, the non-luxury brand always wins. The MDX offers more features than you're giving it credit for, but what it really comes down to is if you are willing to spend more for a luxury vehicle knowing that you are paying more for the same number of features.

You can list "300HP V6" and "SH-AWD" as features, but it's far more than that. Does the Pilot deliver even close to the driving experience of the MDX? If these things don't matter to you, and it sounds like they don't, then the Pilot is the obvious choice. The MDX was not tuned on the Nürburgring so it could match the Pilot in features and price.

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Luxury cars always cost more than they are economically worth when compared to mainstream cars. If you are comparing which makes more economic or practical sense, the non-luxury brand always wins. The MDX offers more features than you're giving it credit for, but what it really comes down to is if you are willing to spend more for a luxury vehicle knowing that you are paying more for the same number of features.

You can list "300HP V6" and "SH-AWD" as features, but it's far more than that. Does the Pilot deliver even close to the driving experience of the MDX? If these things don't matter to you, and it sounds like they don't, then the Pilot is the obvious choice. The MDX was not tuned on the Nürburgring so it could match the Pilot in features and price.

Truthfully man I have to say that I love Acura and went the to Acura dealer first. After a drive in the MDX I thought it was neat, we even took it home but... for grins we tried out the new Pilot. Sure, the interior design isn't quite as nice but, it IS STILL very nice. Handling was similar unless you pushed it hard into corners (the advantage of SH-AWD) but, other than that even the suspension setups are the EXACT same UNLESS you spare for the MDX Sport which features active dampers to change ride and handeling characteristics but, even still... the last MDX was every bit a cut above the Pilot offering feature you just could not get on the pilot (i.e. nav until the '06 model change). I LOVE Acura but... even the Acura dealer acknowledged the Pilot had it beat this year. Apparently though, there is an MCE next year for the MDX that should fix all of the "deficiencies" I mentioned. Oh and... the TSX desiel is real, apparently it was shown to the dealers when they previewed the new TL.

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Truthfully man I have to say that I love Acura and went the to Acura dealer first. After a drive in the MDX I thought it was neat, we even took it home but... for grins we tried out the new Pilot. Sure, the interior design isn't quite as nice but, it IS STILL very nice. Handling was similar unless you pushed it hard into corners (the advantage of SH-AWD) but, other than that even the suspension setups are the EXACT same UNLESS you spare for the MDX Sport which features active dampers to change ride and handeling characteristics but, even still... the last MDX was every bit a cut above the Pilot offering feature you just could not get on the pilot (i.e. nav until the '06 model change). I LOVE Acura but... even the Acura dealer acknowledged the Pilot had it beat this year. Apparently though, there is an MCE next year for the MDX that should fix all of the "deficiencies" I mentioned. Oh and... the TSX desiel is real, apparently it was shown to the dealers when they previewed the new TL.

The new Pilot sounds like a pretty big improvement over the old.

If I may ask, are you keeping your TSX or trading it in for a crossover? I may be purchasing an '09 or '10 TSX soon, depending on if rumors of a V6 materialize. I may try out the diesel too, not sure if I'll like it. :scratchchin:

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The MDX has more luxury features, a more powerful engine, luxurious interior, and sh-awd. You could say the Malibu is better than the CTS because the CTS only has power, RWD, and luxury features going for it. The same can be said about any luxury vs mainstream comparison.

Edit: You also don't get Acura total care service with the Pilot, or the ELS surround sound system.

ELS.....is that what Acura is calling the Civic rebadge nowadays up there in CA?

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ELS.....is that what Acura is calling the Civic rebadge nowadays up there in CA?

As it said in the post, ELS is a surround sound system. The CSX is the Canadian Acura Civic. I wonder if it will get the new shield grille style like the new TSX and TL.

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Well ya better go sit in one. :neenerneener:

My 6'3" friend said there was plenty of room, even with me (the driver) having the seat back for me to be comfortable. My 5'11" friend in the passenger seat could stretch his legs completely forward and the guy behind him (sale guys) wasn't complaining (nor would he anyway). I was also very pleasantly surprised by the width increase, as two people can share the middle arm rest now without touching at all. It felt noticeably larger inside than the '08, and I liked the controls better as they seemed better placed.

OK, siegen, I went and sat in one today. Same problems with rear legroom that were in the '08. :neenerneener: yourself. :lol:

I put the driver's seat where I would be comfortable and then climbed in and sat in the seat behind it. Took a lot of work to get my left foot into the door, and then I almost had to sit sideways to give my legs space.

But aside from driving impressions (I have none of the TSX to date), there's nothing bad I can say about the car.

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This will have a much harder time standing up to the new CTS than the old one could to the old CTS. The new CTS has improved dramatically and has upped the style quotient.

The TL "update" is the modern interpretation of this update of yore:

1954

1954StudebakerCommanderStarliner.jpg

1955

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This will have a much harder time standing up to the new CTS than the old one could to the old CTS. The new CTS has improved dramatically and has upped the style quotient.

The TL "update" is the modern interpretation of this update of yore:

1954

1954StudebakerCommanderStarliner.jpg

1955

1955%20studebaker%20president.JPG

Nice Studebaker pics...and I would MUCH rather have the CTS than the Acura.

Chris

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21kl15d.jpg

Just a quick jab... :wink: you know if the Import guys

saw a photo like this of a (Cadillac/Buick/Chevy)

this same basic argument would be made... it

would NOT be lighting or what ever other

excuse you can come up with, it's obviously

poor build/paint quality.

you're forgetting styling, although the Pilot wins for 'best impersonation of an old isuzu trooper in an anime full feature' award, hands down.

Now THAT is funny... cause it's true! :lol:

The new Pilot is about as handsome from

head on as an inbred, crosseyed bulldog

on crack... with a dunce cap.

Aaand then you see that front overhang

which answers the question "can it get

any more unattractive?" with a clear &

resounding YES IT CAN!!!

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This will have a much harder time standing up to the new CTS than the old one could to the old CTS. The new CTS has improved dramatically and has upped the style quotient.

The new TL is a very large advancement over the old, which was already a great car. I have a feeling the opposite of what you say will be true.

Differences in exterior styling between the CTS new and old is not that dramatic.

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The new TL is a very large advancement over the old, which was already a great car. I have a feeling the opposite of what you say will be true.

Differences in exterior styling between the CTS new and old is not that dramatic.

The TL looks basically like the old one but with a big chrome shield on the front. The styling exercises that Acura is doing now are dubious at best and fatal at worst. The new vehicles look too much like the old ones with lots of bling tacked on. My '54/'55 Studebaker update comparison stands.

The CTS is already selling very well even in a severely slumping economy.

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Hmmmm.... very valid argument Oldsmoboi,

so I guess in three or four years we'll see a Stude-packard... or Packard-baker. :P

Mr. Lawrence, the "Old Man River" looking gentleman who

sold me my '59 LeSabre had a '58 Packard winter beater

it was rotted so bad it was almost unrecognizable... having

been parked two years earlier, it was not a Hawk but a '58

Packard 2dr post (what ever it woud have been called)

Looked almost like this: (except with 975lbs. of iron-oxide)

bischoff_KH.jpg

If ever there was an ugly as sin 2dr hardtop from '58.... :(

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Hmmmm.... very valid argument Oldsmoboi,

so I guess in three or four years we'll see a Stude-packard... or Packard-baker. :P

Mr. Lawrence, the "Old Man River" looking gentleman who

sold me my '59 LeSabre had a '58 Packard winter beater

it was rotted so bad it was almost unrecognizable... having

been parked two years earlier, it was not a Hawk but a '58

Packard 2dr post (what ever it woud have been called)

Looked almost like this: (except with 975lbs. of iron-oxide)

bischoff_KH.jpg

If ever there was an ugly as sin 2dr hardtop from '58.... :(

That thing is still better looking than that Acura!

Chris

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The TL looks basically like the old one but with a big chrome shield on the front. The styling exercises that Acura is doing now are dubious at best and fatal at worst. The new vehicles look too much like the old ones with lots of bling tacked on. My '54/'55 Studebaker update comparison stands.

The CTS is already selling very well even in a severely slumping economy.

That's funny, the CTS looks basically like the old one with a different grille. I bet a typical non-car person would not even be able to tell the two apart from the rear 3/4 view. Honestly, when I first saw it, I had to look it up to see if it was an MMC or actually a FMC.

But that's ok, it's good that GM didn't screw up a good thing.

The only thing on the new TL that even vaguely resembles the old model are the head lights.

2009_tl_compare_front.jpg

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I'm still not a fan of the new TL, but I have to agree with Siegen. The differences are a big reason why I don't like it as much as the outgoing one. The CTS is only a departure on the inside. Everything else was mostly evolutionary, and it's not a bad thing. Meanwhile, the new TL looks like something other than an Acura. Sort of looks like a Nissan that was designed to be used in the Transformers. I like certain aspects, but they dont work well together with many design issues.

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One design aspect of the new TL I strongly don't like is the C-pillar, esp. the poorly executed door upper cutline. The BMW-like kink in the C-pillar is a predictable cliche today, seen on everything from the Altima and Maxima, to the G35 to the MKS and Accord and others...at least the previous car had a distinctive greenhouse.

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