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GM Officially Cancels Zeta Buick

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General Motors' on again, off again rear-wheel drive sedan plans are, well, off again. The U.S.' largest automaker has been mulling over a rear-wheel drive Chevrolet Impala and a rear-wheel drive Buick sedan, but both plans have been canceled due to newly passed CAFE regulations.

A source familiar with GM's plans revealed to Automotive News that GM had actually planned to release a rear-wheel drive Impala in 2011. The design featured a long hood and short decklid and was about 3 inches longer than the front-wheel drive 2008 model.

The source also revealed that the rear-wheel drive Impala was slated to get an SS version, which would have featured a V8 producing more than 350 horsepower.

However, the 35 mpg CAFE regulations have forced GM to scraps its large rear-wheel drive plans. Both of the canceled models were slated to ride on the same Zeta platform that underpins the Pontiac G8 and the upcoming 2010 Chevrolet Camaro.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/gm-officially-...uick-model.html

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Another stab to the heart of my favorite car company. Does no one have the will to save her? :nono:
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At least the Caddy Lives... Not that it matters because it's going to be a 7Series competitor and not a simple 60K Cadillac.

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This is a smart move. And it'll give the new LaCrosse, which will be better than the current vehicle and roomy-enough, some breathing space in Buick showrooms too.

The "full-size" sedan market is a loser from a business standpoint too. Not just because of CAFE either. It's been shrinking for years, and going to continue to contract as buyers look to smaller cars.

GM needs to plot all its vehicles on a graph. 2 axes: sales potential on one and profit margin on the other. Full-sized sedans end up in the worst quadrant: low profit because of high incentives and low sales potential because of shrinking market. GM ran its factories in the 1st quarter of 2008 at 76% of capacity. Factor in another 10% too high of reliance on fleet sales and you've got about 7 or 8 assembly plants they need to close to get close to 100% plant capacity (the holy grail of profitability). My vote starting with full-sized sedans would be:

> Detroit-Hamtramck

> Doraville (minivans)

> Moraine (mid-sized BOF SUVs)

> Wilmington (find a way to build the Solstice and Sky at Bowling Green)

> Orion (G6 is quickly becoming a fleet queen - get rid of her and let the new LaX shine at PBG dealers)

> Lordstown (build the Deltas in Korea)

> your choice of 2 full-sized P/U and SUV plants (the demand is not coming back ever)

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> Detroit-Hamtramck (Let's See- Volt, Zafira, etc...) Closure Not Going to Happen

> Doraville (minivans) Already Closed

> Lordstown (build the Deltas in Korea) Not Going to Happen.

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I'm heart broke too, but they know where the market is heading, and unfortunately, for fans of bigger, V8 Sedans, it's looking like you'll have to pony up to a $60,000 Caddy if you want something like that.

Guys, from the looks of things, I think the US auto industry returning to the "glory days" of awesome RWD V8 sedans isn't going to come to us now, thanks to high oil prices and our Government. I'd be willing to bet that in a few short years, aside from Caddy, GM will only have the Camaro, maybe the G8, and the smaller Kappa platform to satiate our taste for rear drive. Hopefully, and I mean hopefully, that 1 Series small rear driver (Alpha) hasn't been put on the backburner, because I think if marketed right, it could be badged as a Saturn, Pontiac or Buick and sold as a really cool American alternative to say, a the aforementioned 1 Series, or the G35.

In the meantime, I think we can all hope that GM can get it's proverbial sh*t together and come out with a really awesome new Cobalt and get the Volt launched with unbridled success post haste - because right now the focus is on fuel economy and price.

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I also think an Alpha based sedan could be sold as a Nova in the States - complete with the Turbo 4 that's in the Cobalt SS. But I think we have a better chance of seeing a human being launch a golf ball on Mars than we do that. :lol:

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Well, that's what we've all read about Hamtramck but maybe it's another GM mistake??? Theoretically, since the Zafira is a Delta-based vehicle it should be built on the same line as the Cobalt. Pick one: Lordstown, Hamtramck or GM-DAT -- not all three. The Volt will be practically handbuilt -- if it ever goes into production. It should also be built at the chosen Delta plant.

> Detroit-Hamtramck (Let's See- Volt, Zafira, etc...) Closure Not Going to Happen

> Doraville (minivans) Already Closed

> Lordstown (build the Deltas in Korea) Not Going to Happen.

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This is a smart move. And it'll give the new LaCrosse, which will be better than the current vehicle and roomy-enough, some breathing space in Buick showrooms too.

The "full-size" sedan market is a loser from a business standpoint too. Not just because of CAFE either. It's been shrinking for years, and going to continue to contract as buyers look to smaller cars.

GM needs to plot all its vehicles on a graph. 2 axes: sales potential on one and profit margin on the other. Full-sized sedans end up in the worst quadrant: low profit because of high incentives and low sales potential because of shrinking market. GM ran its factories in the 1st quarter of 2008 at 76% of capacity. Factor in another 10% too high of reliance on fleet sales and you've got about 7 or 8 assembly plants they need to close to get close to 100% plant capacity (the holy grail of profitability). My vote starting with full-sized sedans would be:

> Detroit-Hamtramck

> Doraville (minivans)

> Moraine (mid-sized BOF SUVs)

> Wilmington (find a way to build the Solstice and Sky at Bowling Green)

> Orion (G6 is quickly becoming a fleet queen - get rid of her and let the new LaX shine at PBG dealers)

> Lordstown (build the Deltas in Korea)

> your choice of 2 full-sized P/U and SUV plants (the demand is not coming back ever)

Detroit-Hamtramck : Chevrolet Volt , and Global Daewoo/Chevrolet MPV , and Epsilon II Chevrolet Malibu.

Orion: Epsilon II Chevrolet Malibu , Epsilon II Pontiac G6(rebadge of Epsilon II Chevrolet Malibu).

Lordstown:Gamma II(Next Aveo and Corsa. ) Gamma II Crossovers(both Chevrolet and Opel/Vauxhall/Saturn ).

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I apologize if I offended anyone on the East Coast with the stream of profanities that just left my mouth.

Well... whatever comes, it better be good, and it better be fast. I think they'll have no choice but to give a heavy MCE for the Lucerne since it's going to be around a bit longer (unless GM has something else up their sleeves for Buick--which I'm doubting).

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It should not have to be so difficult to be a GM enthusiast. The more news like I this I hear day by day, the more I defect to another automaker. I am still keeping my ear to the ground for GM, but more and more I find myself tuning in elsewhere.

New can of worms to be opened: what does this mean for "Omega," the rear-drive platform which was slated to replace Zeta and Sigma?

While Ford has promised us up to five new rear-drive vehicles and shows no sign of deviating from its future plans, GM can't seem to get it's $h! together.

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When zeta goes, I think I'm done with new cars.

Anything that follows will never measure up for me.

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It should not have to be so difficult to be a GM enthusiast. The more news like I this I hear day by day, the more I defect to another automaker. I am still keeping my ear to the ground for GM, but more and more I find myself tuning in elsewhere.

New can of worms to be opened: what does this mean for "Omega," the rear-drive platform which was slated to replace Zeta and Sigma?

While Ford has promised us up to five new rear-drive vehicles and shows no sign of deviating from its future plans, GM can't seem to get it's $h! together.

Ford plans on doing their 3.5L TT V6... I don't understand why GM wouldn't consider something like this? I mean, what about a DI 3.6L Turbo? Would the economy be so horrendous?

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Ford plans on doing their 3.5L TT V6... I don't understand why GM wouldn't consider something like this? I mean, what about a DI 3.6L Turbo? Would the economy be so horrendous?

GM is doing a DI twin-turbo HF for the CTS

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GM is doing a DI twin-turbo HF for the CTS

I'm so tired of Cadillac as the favored brand.

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I'm so tired of Cadillac as the favored brand.

+1

Place this twin-turbo 3.6 under the hood of more mainstream GM products and then we will talk. I believe Ford will place their twin-turbo 3.5L in products other than what you will find at Lincoln in the future.

I will take a quick stock here for a moment, if you will.

Ford: Future rear-drive products are on the way without delay, decent spread of the twin-turbo 3.5L in cars beyond Lincoln.

GM: Future rear-drive products in serious question or canceled all together, twin-turbo 3.6L limited to Cadillac.

I am going to have to ask a Ford executive in the future how GM's lunch tastes, it seems.

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no excuse why they cant import some chinese park avenues.

i really almost don't care about gm anymore. as many things they get right, they seem to eff up more. they only look at it from a narrow minded fat white middle aged michigan man perspective......maybe it is time to give carl peter the reigns.

really, i don't care. chrysler and ford seem to have rwd plans and make no excuses. gm is pure bull$h! is all.

w bodies for everyone!

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I can't say I'd go quite that far, Reg.

But we should have had a zeta-type lineup across the brands ten years ago.

Instead we got the damn Ws.

The ones built in Oshawa and the one in the White House.

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Another stab to the heart of my favorite car company. Does no one have the will to save her? :nono:

Except that these days, Buick isn't a company.

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I'm so tired of Cadillac as the favored brand.

Cadillac is the marque which GM is trying to push as its Mercedes, Lexus and BMW rivalling Q-car worldwide. It's going to get all the upmarket favouritism.

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Except that these days, Buick isn't a company.

Trust me, he's refering to GM as a whole.

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Cadillac is the marque which GM is trying to push as its Mercedes, Lexus and BMW rivalling Q-car worldwide. It's going to get all the upmarket favouritism.

See, the thing about that is... I don't care.

Time to pay attention to, and finance the development of, the other brands.

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I'm heart broke too, but they know where the market is heading, and unfortunately, for fans of bigger, V8 Sedans, it's looking like you'll have to pony up to a $60,000 Caddy if you want something like that.

.....or a $38,000 Hyundai......

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Normally, this is where you would expect me to say I told you so, but I am not! I only wanted to wish Buick fans my condolences on this loss, you need more product, not less product.

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