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Wide-body Cadillac CTS-V could debut for 2007

By Ed Hellwig Email

Date posted: 02-16-2006

The current Cadillac CTS-V isn't the BMW M5 killer General Motors hoped it would be. With the introduction of the more powerful 2006 M5, the CTS-V is 100 hp off the mark. Add in its lame interior and its vague steering and the Caddy's $50,000 price doesn't look like such a bargain.

We know a full-blown redesign of the CTS is already a done deal, but our latest spy photos show a prototype that hints at the possibility of a midcycle upgrade for the CTS-V. Caught testing at GM's Milford proving grounds, this prototype wears extended bodywork from nose to tail similar to Cadillac's CTS-V racecars. We've seen CTS prototypes like this before circling the Nürburgring, but they rarely had the level of fit and finish visible on this test car. This prototype also has a standard set of rear exhaust pipes. On the racecar the pipes poke through the bodywork ahead of the rear wheels.

And it's not just the bodywork that looks suitable for production. Check out the wheels and tires. Instead of ultralightweight O-Z racing wheels and low-profile slicks, this prototype is riding on wheels with the same design as the current CTS-V. They're not exactly the same, however, as you can clearly see that these wheels have lots of offset to accommodate wider tires. The change isn't just functional, it emphasizes the car's rear-wheel-drive setup. It's a styling trick BMW has used for decades now; it's about time Cadillac caught up.

If this car does turn out to be an actual production model, there will be more than just wider bodywork and a new set of wheels and tires to talk about. We would expect nothing less than a serious suspension upgrade along with the installation of the 505-horsepower, 7.0-liter LS7 V8 from the latest Z06 Corvette. This would put the CTS-V right back into the same league as the 500-hp 2006 BMW M5 in terms of power and at least a little closer when it comes to handling and steering feel. Throw in an upgraded interior and the CTS-V would start looking like a bargain again.

Link w/photos: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=109332

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Question time: Why are they saying the CTS-V is a M5 competitor? That's the STS-Vs job. And they must be snorting something heavy if they expect to see the Z06's powertrain in there. :stupid:

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Hmmm I wonder if we could legally run with our shots of the official remade CTS...

But I'm willing to bet $10 this is more powertrain testing for the Blue Devil Motor as Cadillac has been the champion tester for the powertrain.

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I honestly don't know why they'd bother...the CTS is supposedly up for a redo in '08. Maybe that's a test mule.

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Question time: Why are they saying the CTS-V is a M5 competitor? That's the STS-Vs job. And they must be snorting something heavy if they expect to see the Z06's powertrain in there.

Me either.... they're like.... sooooo different.... I can't imagine why Cadillac would consider the M5 competition with the CTS-V much less would want to put a 500 hp LS engine in there either with all that torque way down low.... man, those pushrods would totally suck. :duh:

M5 CTS-V

HP: 500 400

Trque: 383 @ 6100 RPM 395 @ 4400 RPM

Weight: 4012 3850

Length: 191.10 191.50

W-Base: 113.70 113.40

Width: 72.70 70.60

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Yeah, this, or something a lot like it, was seen quite a while ago...and was ruled to be just a unique powertrain testing mule. There's no such thing as a "wide body CTS" and I really wouldn't think there'd ever be a reason for one, especially given that a new CTS is just right around the corner.

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I have to agree that the CTS-V should be compared to the M3 than M5.

Except that the CTS is the size of a 5-Series, not a 3-Series. Hence the BLS to compete with the 3-Series in Europe... The CTS is huge compared to my 330i.

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I have to agree that the CTS-V should be compared to the M3 than M5.

In my opinion, all caddy's model proportions are screwed up...I mean, the CTS-V is always compared against the M5, but in other comparisons it goes against the 3 series, but the size of it is in between that of a 3 and 5...then there is the sts-v which is more in between the size of a 5 and 7 rather than a 5...maybe more of a CLS competitor...I dunno...the models seem oddly sized...

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I have to agree that the CTS-V should be compared to the M3 than M5.

Why? The CTS matches the 5-series in nearly every dimension and until the new M5 came out they matched in performance. Once the CTS-v gets a new LS7, the power output would also be nearly identical....

so... what logical reason is the CTS-v <4-door midsize> a M3 <2-door compact> competior and not a M5 <4-door midsize> competior?

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In my opinion, all caddy's model proportions are screwed up...I mean, the CTS-V is always compared against the M5, but in other comparisons it goes against the 3 series, but the size of it is in between that of a 3 and 5...then there is the sts-v which is more in between the size of a 5 and 7 rather than a 5...maybe more of a CLS competitor...I dunno...the models seem oddly sized...

Its ok for a car to be different. Not every car needs to be the same size as the nearest comparable BMW.

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In my opinion, all caddy's model proportions are screwed up...I mean, the CTS-V is always compared against the M5, but in other comparisons it goes against the 3 series, but the size of it is in between that of a 3 and 5...then there is the sts-v which is more in between the size of a 5 and 7 rather than a 5...maybe more of a CLS competitor...I dunno...the models seem oddly sized...

Did you not read the specs that I posted? The 5-series is within less then 1/2 an inch difference from the CTS-v.

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Its ok for a car to be different.  Not every car needs to be the same size as the nearest comparable BMW.

I'm just using the Bimmers as general size comparions though...I could do the same thing with the c,e, and s class as well...The problem is I see these cars being compared against different sizes...Same goes for the G35...The G35 is compared to the 3er all the time, but in terms of size it is much closer to a 5. I don't get it. Edited by Nick

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I'm just using the Bimmers as general size comparions though...I could do the same thing with the c,e, and s class as well...The problem is I see these cars being compared against different sizes...Same goes for the G35...The G35 is compared to the 3er all the time, but in terms of size it is much closer to a 5. I don't get it.

I belive it has to do with the main market for the cars. The Caddies' main market is the US where people prefer larger cars to smaller ones. The BMW and Mercedes cars are mainly marketed in the EU. I don't know what market the G35 has the largest volume in but it is perhaps more US intended than Japan, where I imagine the typical car is quite a bit smaller than the US.

My point is that perhaps the CTS is a better size than the 3 series or 5 series because it works better for more people. Putting cars in classes while making it easier to compare on paper doesn't mean jack to someone because the 3 series may be a hair to small while the 5 series may be a hair to big and the CTS is just right. Same could be said for the 5,7 and STS.

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I'm just using the Bimmers as general size comparions though...I could do the same thing with the c,e, and s class as well...The problem is I see these cars being compared against different divisions...Same goes for the G35...The G35 is compared to the 3er all the time, but in terms of size it is much closer to a 5. I don't get it.

Vehicles are often compared on pricepoint and ranking within a brand rather than size. The CTS and G35 may be closer in size to the 5-Series than the 3-Series but the G and CTS are the entry-level sport sedans within their respective brands with prices closer to the 3-Series.

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Its ok for a car to be different.  Not every car needs to be the same size as the nearest comparable BMW.

No they dont, but Cadillacs pricing is more messed up than the sizing. I hope its only temporary while Cadillac builds it's image. The CTS should be priced more like the 5 series, instead of the 3 series, that would leave room for a 3 series competitor starting in the $30ks. Cadillac shouldn't be the poor mans luxury brand. They should be the brand that people pay $10k more for just to have the Caddy badge on the front.

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No they dont, but Cadillacs pricing is more messed up than the sizing. I hope its only temporary while Cadillac builds it's image. The CTS should be priced more like the 5 series, instead of the 3 series, that would leave room for a 3 series competitor starting in the $30ks. Cadillac shouldn't be the poor mans luxury brand. They should be the brand that people pay $10k more for just to have the Caddy badge on the front.

Agreed. I fully expect the next CTS will get a bump in pricing which would allow the BTS in below it.

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Vehicles are often compared on pricepoint and ranking within a brand rather than size. The CTS and G35 may be closer in size to the 5-Series than the 3-Series but the G and CTS are the entry-level sport sedans within their respective brands with prices closer to the 3-Series.

What he said.

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What he said.

That doesn't make the CTS a bad 3-series competitor <which it clearly isn't bad against the 3-series, it's sells well and fairly close to sticker>, it makes it a good 5-series competitor.

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That doesn't make the CTS a bad 3-series competitor <which it clearly isn't bad against the 3-series, it's sells well and fairly close to sticker>, it makes it a good 5-series competitor.

We've had this discussion many, many times before. I still insist that the CTS is a 3-series competitor in the US, regardless of size. After all, I don't go about carrying a tape measure, but the CTS would make more sense in the Cadillac lineup if it lost ten inches. The CTS may technically be a similar size to the 5-series, but it has nowhere near the sophisication or quality expected of that segment. The CTS is perfectly competitive against the 3-series, however.

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We've had this discussion many, many times before. I still insist that the CTS is a 3-series competitor in the US, regardless of size. After all, I don't go about carrying a tape measure, but the CTS would make more sense in the Cadillac lineup if it lost ten inches. The CTS may technically be a similar size to the 5-series, but it has nowhere near the sophisication or quality expected of that segment. The CTS is perfectly competitive against the 3-series, however.

If the CTS started at 19k it would STILL be 5 series competitor.

As I've said many many times before, the Mini-cooper and Crown Victoria share price points, but that does NOT make them competitors.

The Lucerne overlaps the 3-series in price... competitors?

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If the CTS started at 19k it would STILL be 5 series competitor.

As I've said many many times before, the Mini-cooper and Crown Victoria share price points, but that does NOT make them competitors.

The Lucerne overlaps the 3-series in price... competitors?

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No &#036;h&#33;, Sherlock... :rolleyes:

The 5-series, as well as the E-class, A6, GS, M, RL, and STS are in a class above the big and cheap CTS.

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