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GMX002 Cancelled

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http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...1/1003&refsect=

I said it here long ago, to much derision I recall. I used the words "dead as a doornail". And it is indeed very much dead.

(AutoNews reporting)

NEW YORK -- General Motors has canceled the vehicle that was supposed to replace the Saturn Ion and is urgently seeking an alternative.

As a result, Saturn dealers are likely to be left without an entry-level vehicle for several months next year, company officials acknowledge.

....General Motors might consider rebadging a vehicle from its overseas product portfolio, such as the Opel Astra....

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Croc    268

Yea...oh well. Why was it cancelled if it cliniced well, was needed, GM is now "urgently" seeking an alternative? I mean it's not like the union nixed it or something...GM controlled that decision...so...any insight as to why?

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ZL-1    160

Yea...oh well.  Why was it cancelled if it cliniced well, was needed, GM is now "urgently" seeking an alternative?  I mean it's not like the union nixed it or something...GM controlled that decision...so...any insight as to why?

I'm guessing it fell because of development budgets being restructured. I think the next-gen Opel Astra is a strong contender, and as disucssed in another website there are alternatives for a quick fix, notably the Brazilian Chevrolet Vectra which is Astra-based.

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ehaase    18

I'm guessing it fell because of development budgets being restructured. I think the next-gen Opel Astra is a strong contender, and as disucssed in another website there are alternatives for a quick fix, notably the Brazilian Chevrolet Vectra which is Astra-based.

Which won't help GM's domestic CAFE if not manufactured in North America.

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evok    0

Which won't help GM's domestic CAFE if not manufactured in North America.

That is not true. Place of manufacture does factor into CAFE but not as you state.

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PurdueGuy    72

If we can go solidly by Lutz's comments, an Ion replacement based on the Astra would be identical to the Astra, but built in the US.

When is the next-gen Astra scheduled for?

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I wonder if they will decide to do something on the cheap and put out another Cobalt rebadge ala Pursuit/G4/G5...

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bowtie_dude    0

I wonder if they will decide to do something on the cheap and put out another Cobalt rebadge ala Pursuit/G4/G5...

Doubt it. That wouldn't fit in with their US Opel plans.

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ehaase    18

That is not true.  Place of manufacture does factor into CAFE but not as you state.

Your knowledge is so advanced it's like having a PhD sit in a class with sixth graders.

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evok    0

Your knowledge is so advanced it's like having a PhD sit in a class with sixth graders.

There are three CAFE numbers. CAFE for light trucks and Import and Domestic content cars. In the case of cars both fleets must equal 27.5 mph on the EPA procedure. With the new light truck CAFE rule, CAFE becomes a little more complex because of the sliding scale foot print approach. Either way, GM might have to juggle their production to meet the 27.5 in one of the bins as you elluded to earlier.

As for my PhD - I can't remember what I had for lunch today but for some strange reason I remember this nonsense. ha ha

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regfootball    234

GM still can't seem to figure out their head from their @$$ half the time.

but, if the next astra comes here....then that's ok.

MY GOD< just ramp up some extra Ion production to tide them over?

Saturn needs a Jetta counterpart.

Chevy should have the Corolla counterpart.

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Newbiewar    1

If we can go solidly by Lutz's comments, an Ion replacement based on the Astra would be identical to the Astra, but built in the US.

When is the next-gen Astra scheduled for?

based on what i've heard from lutz, the future opel would be built in america...

it would of opel design and what not but just built and assembled here... thats what i got out of a certain speach he spoke of global products

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Croc    268

As for my PhD - I can't remember what I had for lunch today but for some strange reason I remember this nonsense. ha ha

someone needs to lay off the sauce then :AH-HA_wink:

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PurdueGuy    72

based on what i've heard from lutz, the future opel would be built in america...

it would of opel design and what not but just built and assembled here... thats what i got out of a certain speach he spoke of global products

my understanding was that the Opels would still be built in europe, and the Saturns would be built in the US, but the products would be identical aside from some emissions details. I didn't think the Opels would be built in the US...

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sciguy_0504    0

I think the Ion name would be dumped because of the images it brings to mind. As long as Saturn gets the Opel, I say "bye, bye" Ion.

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Ghost Dog    1

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...6/1003&refsect=

Saturns still will be built in North America, not Europe. GM executives aren't talking about importing and rebadging vehicles produced at Opel plants overseas, but rather making the identical cars in the United States.

I got this in an Automotive news email. But Can't Find The article.

US could get Opel cars

Exports to America possible, Lutz says

Opel cars built in Germany could be exported to the US, says General Motors Vice Chairman Robert Lutz. Lutz said 

If Its true I would think it a Strike worthy issue in 2007.

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Drew Dowdell    4,992

Bob Lutz:

Saturns and Opels will differ only in badge.

Obviously a slight overstatement due to emissions such.... but why shouldn't we take his word for it? It makes a lot of sense for GM to do this. Why engineer two small cars when they can engineer one and slap right proper badge for the proper country on it.

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Paolino    99

Bob Lutz:

Obviously a slight overstatement due to emissions such.... but why shouldn't we take his word for it? It makes a lot of sense for GM to do this.  Why engineer two small cars when they can engineer one and slap right proper badge for the proper country on it.

Agreed. Opel has some nice-looking products.

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red    0

A disappointing confirmation, but maybe a blessing in disguise. Perhaps this has something to do with the Delta platform...be it costs, redesign timing etc...

To be honest the next ION had an interior that was already bottom of the pack...the design sucked, the materials looked cheap even in the drawing...so there's something they could really improve on. I liked the exterior, especially the side fender crease, but I think GM could make the next ION even more adventurous. The Opel Astra would be a great stopgap product if they could figure some way to get it out here. The GTC is one of the most - if not most - beautiful hatches I have ever seen & its a great drive (although I remember the unfamiliarity of RHD alot more!).

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turbo200    6

This is not disappointing to me in the least. We were told to expect this long ago and to await a different kind of replacement. It's not good that Saturn will have to soldier without a compact for a while---not good at all. GM must get the replacement out as quickly as possible. As mentioned above, the Brazilian Vectra would be ideal, until the NG Astra is ready.

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