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Yes, it's just a lease appliance for upscale suburban moms, targeting the RX...should do well with that niche. Not an enthusiast vehicle.

This site has an "original" GM history or legacy but has morphed, which is a good thing. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that, of the various GM brands, Pontiac is the one that is most liked and most fondly remembered, given that it's gone and they were idiots to discontinue it. As a kid, Pontiac was definitely my favorite GM brand. Their front fascias were unique in the car business.

Like an Ikea imitation of a 3 row luxury SUV, likely to be priced much higher than it merits.

It's worse than that @regfootball I'll explain more when I'm not driving

Acadilade.

Apart for this being a CUV and obviously having a shytty name, I dont get the hate for it. 1. Its a 3 row cute ute made to sell in huge numbers a) Because that is what the consumers want b) Because that is what sells. 2. Its a cute ute. There is nothing any designer COULD do to make cute utes...cute. They are ungodly ugly things by nature. a) either they get to be a box (with a hatchback) b) either they get to be rounded off boxes (with a hatchback) 3. Maybe Cadillac Deville would be a better name for this CUV? With that being said, Cadillac really dug into its past to design the rear 3/4 panel area. I give you late 1960's Cadillac rear window designs 1968 1970 2019 The 2019 looks like a combo of that 1968 and 1970 design rear window... I think it looks the part of a modern soccer mom station wagon. I think it looks OK for what it is and I think it looks good for a Cadillac CUV. No...it will NEVER be a classic Cadillac car, but hey, North Americans want to be able to sit their old fat asses (even if they are not old or fat or both) in their CUVs with ease... You reap what you sow... Dont be complainin' about how crappy lookin' transportation pods have become, because ya'll be buying them by the boat loads, these fancy cute ute vehicles you be buyin' because you be favorin' how you get in and out of them...

In a one star hotel with meth addicts on the sidewalk outside no less.

The problem is GM won't invest in a proper RWD platform to take on Lincoln and the Europeans....so they cheaped out and put a fresh body and interior on a generic appliance platform... reheated rancid meat w/ new toppings. Lazy, lazy, lazy.

Should be competitive w/ the MDX and RX, though. Just another AWD/FWD/transverse engine lease appliance gap-filler, nothing aspirational. The Aviator seems way more compelling.

Should be roundly panned for being so lazily presented. Not competitive in the class. Lincoln shows how it is done in this market space. Profoundly terrible. Looks like an old XC90's metrosexual brother who was conceived, miraculously, after being strained through the sheets.

Here's yet another to-be likely scenario. You're buzzing along on a multi-hour trip in your EV pod, chilluns in the back, vehicle is blinking 'low volts', you buzz into a charging station and all the chargers are full. Now, vs. a fuel station where you may wait 5 or even 10 mins for a pump to open up and fuel in 3, you may wait 30-45 mins for a charger then another 45 mins to charge. You just spent an hour & a half in a 'dirty, buzzing' charging station. I'd blow my brains out if I had to sit at a fuel station that long. At the 15 min mark.

You were saying @smk4565??

Surprised they aren’t offering the 2.0 also.

Because the next step up for Cadillac in size and what they want to offer the customer is not a longer Acadilade, but the Escalade EXT. We replied at the same time LOL?

Because they don't have to stretch the platform because they could have used Cxx Long (Traverse /Enclave) instead of Cxx short (Acadia) but also want to sell Escalades and a possible XT7.

Pretty bland and boring, looks sort of like a Hyundai Santa Fe for double the money which isn’t going to excite anyone or stir up buyers. I would hope they price this in the high $40s, they better have some incentives ready to roll too. Out of the gate they are less competitive to the X5, GLE, Q7,MDX, Aviator and XC90. How do you launch at the back of a segment, just think of this vehicle come 2025 when it is still on sale in its current form.

I said it before and I'll say it again WE FAILED CADILLAC. Well I didn't cause I actually went out and bought every iteration of Art and Science since 2005 to 2016. Performance was their focal point and many BITCHED AND COMPLAINED.. Cadillac cars are exceptional performers.. possibly the best in the world. CTS, ATS. CT6... come on.. Even the XTS was a helluva performer.. WE BITCHED. Where are the sales? The sales came tho.. they came in the form of the XT5.. and Cadillac... on the brink at one point, is looking to emulate that success. The vehicle will most likely bring in new conquest buyers. How much?? I'm betting, considering the XT5 starts at $41K.. this will undercut the GLE by about $6K and start at $48K. the AWD version will come in at about $53K or about the same as the Avenir Enclave. I could be off by about $1000. We knew what this was. We did. Its a longer version of the XT5.. The Lincoln Aviator is a better vehicle in technical presentation.. but I think that this is the better vehicle for sales. U can not have your cake and eat it too. We saw this with the cars. Lexus and Mercedes prove this with appliance vehicles and some performance on the fringe. Cadillac's EV announcement is going to be their fringe. BlackWing will be their other. I also bring attention to the fact that the MKC, MKX, and MKT sales results don't even beat the singular XT5. The lauded CONTINENTAL has failed to outshine the CT6, despite the fact that the CT6 wasn't even the real competitor to it on Caddy's lot.. that always being the XTS, which certainly has outsold it. We'll see.. but its a strong possibility that GM is actually doing the right thing in its move to be different. My only real unexpected disappointment with this is that it doesn't at least debut with any WOW ENGINE when Caddy has them on shelf. The 3.6LTT from the XTSVSport should have been optional from the start of the press release. I'm not even thinking the Blackwing.. I saying that the XT6 should have debuted with the base engine and the LF3. That simple. That simple. That simple. Exterior looks are very nice IMO. One of teh best looking in the segment. Far better looking than a GLE or GX.. Damn sure better looking than an MDX. The interior comments are ridiculous. Even if the transplanted the XT5's interior its still a very nice interior to be. Some writers are full of $#!+ . The XT5's interior has been praised many times over. I expect 60K XT4, 55K XT5, and 45K XT6 sales.. Escalade remaining in the 35K range.

Except at 70 K for a Grand Cherokee Jeep will do everything short of having the girl at the reception desk perform an unmentionable act for me. 70K for Cadillac and people at the Bar will wonder why I put a junkyard Cadillac front clip on a Traverse. In the same way bacteria on a petri dish grow in a alb. Cadillac Grand Vitara....has a better ring to it than XT6. Upon further reflection...one legacy brand did not die. Look at this...Spring Hill is still building Saturns!

Unusual to see a Cadillac w/ horizontal headlights..been a while. The kick up in the quarter window reminds of where Jeep has been going w/ recent designs like the Renegade and Compass. I bet the next Grand Cherokee greenhouse will resemble this.

And oddly, almost the same design profile

One thing Ram and the other full size truck brands excel at is configurability...lots of options and variations.

I don’t have much time right now to go full throttle on this like I want to but why does this approach remind of a “Cadillac XL7 “. Practically same dimensions. Pedestrian 3.6 v6. Badge engineered stretched common crossover to plug a showroom hole. Done on the cheap. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/suzuki/xl7/2007/specs/xl7-awd-4dr-luxury-w3rd-row-287331 except they’ll probably sticker it at 70k The Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator will wipe Cadillacs ass off the floor I never thought I would go back to Ford products but it’s hilarious to see this train wreck but we also should not be shocked if this becomes Cadillacs main seller grandma and grandpa would have bought an XT5 if it had a third row, you know

Fixed that for you. Lipstick on a pig. Once again...now that the ST twins are gone...Jeep seems to be the only domestic building things I actually want to own. This does not warm my heart towards Cadillac. Mitsubishi...so Glad that Cadillac is following the maker of the Japaneze Zero on a kamikaze path.

Agreed. Looks like a 15 year old XC90 Volvo. WTH is going on with Cadillac? Aviator DESTROYS this miserable attempt.

Terrible

Not really a 'spot' but stickin it in here anyways. I stored this '63 in my shop a little over a year for a relative, he finally sold it in Dec. and the guy paid up/picked it up today. He has restored other Corvettes, says he's going to do this one, too. Original 340 HP 327 4bbl/4-spd car. Will need a body-off going over- has been sitting since 1969 (!!!!). Godspeed, lil plastic Chevy!

I took a rental Cherokee Limited to Florida and back in December. Even with the V6 and driving at quite extra-legal speeds, I managed 26/27 mpg the whole time. My Encore does the same these days even at slower speeds. Other than that, I'd look at the CX-5 once the turbo comes out.

This is extremely boring!

The rear 3/4 would look better without the black trim on the rear edges of the d-pillars...I guess it's there to try and make the rear window look wider, but it seems pointless. Extending the taillights up the pillars ala Escalade would have been more interesting.

Well, they have the short wheelbase, used by the Blazer, Acadia and XT5. They have the long wheelbase, used by the Traverse and Enclave. Don’t know why they went with the short wheelbase for this, unless they want to do a long wheelbase XT7 in the future. Yah, the XTS is their grandpa car. This is for upscale suburban moms.

i only asked because proportionally for styling a few extra inches would look better. GM platforms must not have any flexibility. just judging by what i see casually in traffic its more like 50-65 yo women

I miss Pontiac and Oldsmobile..always liked their products as a kid. The ones I wanted as a teenager in the 80s were the '84 Hurst/Olds in silver or a Trans Am GTA....but being in a Ford family, I got a Mustang GT.

There once was a time, a time when full sized family sedans were in nearly every driveway in America. During this time GM's Oldsmobile divison built a reputation for quality and performance on the name Eighty-Eight. Introduced in 1949, the Eighty-Eight was the least expensive of Oldsmobile's full size offerings for 50 years until the end of production in 1999. The following C&G Drive is on a 1988 model with the optional 3800 V6 As Dick Van Patten says so well in this 1986 commercial"Its the family car, that didn't forget the family" . My 1988 Delta 88 Royale has done just that, after nearly two decades of faithful service I can say this is one family car that didn't forget the family. First Impressions: Its a little hard to tell at first glance, to look past the worn paint, the tired chrome, that this car was once a looker. There is still a little shine left in the big chrome bumpers, a little class still in the miles of chrome that seem to wrap around the car, and the aura of pride, pride that is seen clearly in the bright read "Royale" emblem on the hood. The engine starts up right away dispite the every growing number on the odometer, a number that currently reads 334,594 miles. The doors close with a thunk that is missing from todays cars, the controls have a simple layout that unlike so many of todays cars do not require the owner to read the owners manual just to get to work in the morning. Interior: Plush. Everything and anything that can be covered in soft fabrics and velour is. The interior is accented with chrome and faux brushed aluminum that gives the car a classic yet still modern look. Standard power drivers seat is a huge plus allowing almost anyone to find a very comfortable position. The family car idea is very clear here with loads of room, a back seat that is big enough to house a small town, and a trunk that has vast space. Road noise is well controled and the controls are well placed. The dash is very much traditonal Olds with a very neat looking "Eighty Eight" emblem next to the idiot lights. Performance: Though power may not be something you associate with 88 Royale one may be in for quite the shock. The 3.8L "3800" V6 puts out 160hp. Though you won't set any land speed records ( Oldsmobile used the Aero Tech to do that) passing power on the highway as well as power from the stop light is effortless, all while returning fuel economy in the mid to upper 20's. This means that when junor is late for practice, not only will the family car that didn't forget the family get him there on time, it also means that ma and pa don't have to stop for gas on the way. Quality: What can you say for a car with over 300,000 mile? Oldsmobile put this thing together right the first time and it shows. Even after 300,000 miles the body gaps are consistant, the car still idles smooth, and the fuel economy has not fallen off. Delta 88 will give any Toyota, Honda, or Nissan and spanking int he engineering department. Even after 300,000 miles the Delta 88 Royale is yet to fail an emissons test. With all the money you saved on repair bills and fuel, looks like someone is getting a few extra gifts under the tree. Yet one more way the family car didn't forget the family. Over all: If you enjoy big car ride and comfort with power and quality all around the 88 is a must have. Test Car Specs: Year: 1988 Make: Oldsmobile Model: Delta 88 Royale 4 dr sedan Miles: 334,594 Optional Equiptment: LN3 3800 V6 White wall tires* *Car currently sports blackwalls. Major Repairs: Transmisson Rebuild 160,000 miles (1999) New Exhuast system 323,000 miles (2006)

HahaL...true, the Jeep will still have a proper platform I assume... from what I've read, they aren't going w/ the stretched Stelvio platform plan but a revised version of WK2 (as WK3) with short and long wheelbase versions...2021 supposedly.

I'll have the press release up in a minute

Like I said..take a plane. Take a train. But now...you are just trying to FIND a kink in the EV thing. Giving me hypothetical problems...that is why Im giving you hypothetical solutions... And...if you and your spouse WORKED ALL DAY... The BEST thing to do is NOT DRIVE AT ALL... You wouldnt want to endanger the lives of your kids while traveling...battery powered or gasoline powered. Driving while being tired AND on a stressed scheduled is just begging for disaster to strike. There is NEVER a good reason to put you, your loved ones and others in danger just for the sake of making "good time". That is why a plane ride is the way to go if you feel the need to get to where you are going in a limited amount of time. Money problems for taking a plane... You know what? Take a good night sleep and leave in the morning if you really need to drive...EV or not! But stretching out different scenarios to prove me wrong...like I said, in reality, it aint a problem unless you want it to be... And that is fine. It is your opinion for 45 minutes of charge up time too long for you. But in reality, it aint...

if you and your spouse worked a full day and to keep schedule, needed to haul family of four on a 4 or five hour trip up to grand dads for a family function the next morning. You would want to make as short of drive as possible. you can go 300 miles on your gas tank and no one needs 45 minutes to pee. the 45 minutes to plug in an electric is a major inconvenience and extends a day even longer. if you were driving from omaha to the black hills if you add two or three charging stops to your trip you are adding 2 hours of time that no one has.

Nor should they ever ban them. I think the ICE vehicle will stay around as a niche vehicle for a very long time....for the same reason Facebook has not replaced Cheers and Gears. Cheers and Gears is a niche market for older guys who don't get laid enough to argue vehemently about cars they are never ever going to buy. If a free market of ideas can provide that... A free economic market can provide ICE vehicles as niche products in a world of electrics. Not to mention Cold weather cuts into the range of battery electric vehicles...and the resistance of snow would not have helped matters any either...

True. But, a 250 mile road trip is what...3 hour drive? You are speeding doing that trip in 3 hours so you will probably get stopped by the authorities. Where do you need to go and need to do to be driving that fast, bro???!!! SLOW THE ? DOWN!!! With that being said, a 250 mile trip... SCREW THAT!!! Ive got a Bolt...I need to see my cousin in Boston...(for real, I actually DO have an American (Greek) cousin in Boston. He is a pure Bostonian, accent and all!!!) It aint an emergency because Id FLY there. Take a plane... So...an ICE car gets me to Boston in 5 hours. Like in 5 hours flat WITHOUT speeding (well, carefully planned speeding) If Id roll the with the speed limits it would really take me 5 hours and 35-45 minutes...) All the cars that I have ever owned and driven down to Boston, I had enough gas to get there but Id have to gas up soon after arriving in the city. Like in the city...not aroung city limits, but in the city. When I was single, I NEVER stopped, did that drive DIRECT! Ive been to Boston with the family once and been to Toronto (same distance and time as Boston give or take) once and both times, the wife AND/OR the kids MADE ME STOP TWICE...you know, for bathroom breaks and for snacks...a loss of about 30-45 minutes...or an addition to traveling time... So...a 250 mile trip, or a 300 mile trip...in an EV...one DOES have to make a stop for charging JUST before the destination's city's limits to charge up for another 100% so one does not run out of battery...TRUE!!! About 45 minute delay... But as you can see...being married and traveling with the family...I NEVER have been able to do such a trip non-stop anyway...so...FOR ME...MOOT POINT... I have to stop to pee and eat BBQ chips anyway...charging up aint no big deal...and since the charging network is being beefed up, using a Bolt...will not be a problem finding a charging station... But...if Im traveling with my family...why in the hell am I traveling in such a small car? Id take a Tesla Model 3 or Tesla Model S or better yet, the Tesla Model X over the Chevy Bolt for sure...and if that is the case...250 miles could maybe even be done REACHING the 250 mile destination without stopping...but impossible knowing my wife and kids would want to stop to pee anyway!!! All that just to say, when traveling, especially for fun...what is the damned hurry anyway???!!! But even traveling for business, EVs have come along way even in the short time you and I discussed this EV thing 3 years ago...NO EXCUSES NOW... Oh...you can find weakness still, in 2019...but I doubt you will find these weaknesses in 2021...

Spotted a Herbie this morning

^ Awesome. I never got to meet any of my great grandparents, tho both of my sons knew 3 of theirs. My father's father passed in 2016, 6 weeks shy of turning 101. - - - - -

You're saying they're louder engines, they're quieter than what you currently drive. I don't think you'll ever own an EV because you'll keep saying the wife doesn't like something about it.

Stuff like this is a gap filler... sounds like the Lincoln Aviator will have a superior platform, though.

Exactly. This is a fancy Enclave/Traverse, with the corporate 3.6 V6 and transmission. I don't see them doing anything exciting here, at most an optional turbo on the V6, but Lincoln already does that, and to quote Kurt Angle "who did they ever beat, where are their gold medals?"

Picture taken so no one will say I was REALLY drunk and seeing things when I tell the story later at a bar in Kent Narrows when a duck just waddles his ass in and chills for a minute. I offered him a drink.. but he had already had a few too many..

Some people chose to put fences in places not in their best interests. Try and tell them that, tho.

Logical thinking is a lost ability.