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Strongest GM Brands

Which GM Brand is Strongest Overall?   165 members have voted

  1. 1. Which GM Brand is Strongest Overall?

    • Buick
      27
    • Pontiac
      60
    • Saab
      10
    • Saturn
      68

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Inspired by a statement made by Josh late yesterday regarding the use of portholes (a Buick trademark) on the '07 Cadillac Escalade:

To me it means Buick is set for doomsday. However we won't ruin this choppers thread. Lets take it else where if we chose to discuss.

Original Thread

My question, is which GM brand you think is strongest aside from Cadillac and Chevrolet. I've excluded GM's "bookend" brands because they're clearly going nowhere. Brands composed only of trucks (GMC and HUMMER) have also been left out.

Be sure to consider the strength of the brand's current and near-future lineups (what's in the pipeline?), along with the brand's position in relation to other GM brands (too much overlap with another division?). Each has several pros and cons to be discussed, so let's get started!
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Jeez... I can see this turning into a Pontiac or Buick bashing thread... <_< Saturn gets my vote, but that's only because of what's 'supposed' to be coming as I love Opel. Otherwise, Saturn is currently the weakest along with Saab. It's hard to decide which is stronger between Buick and Pontiac. They both seem to have sketchy futures. I'd have to say Pontiac is only because of Buick's average buyer. No offense, but after most of them pass away, who is really going to buy them? The next generation of older citizens are already hooked on Imports, for the most part.
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Saturn, hands down. We've seen the Aura, Sky, Ion, parts of the Outlook, and the Opel Antara which will be the next Vue. All of those products are home runs. Pontiac I would say is next...if only for the GTO and the Solstice. They'll also be shedding the SV6 and the Equinox/Torrent is supposed to get an engine upgrade soon. The GP should do OK for another couple of years as long as there are incremental improvements along the way. The G6 is a new dashboard away from being a fabulous car. last place on my list is a tossup betwen Buick and Saab. Both lineups have vehicles that are all right along with vehicles that need major help. Both could serously use an infusion of RWD cars....namely a Zeta Buick sedan, Velite coupe/conv, a Zeta 9-5 replacement, and a Kappa Sonnet. Wishful thinking I know, but you get my drift.
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Saturn. While Pontiac gets a lot of G6, Grand Am, and Grand Prix sales, it is more of a mass-produced brand than Saturn. The future of Saturn is very promising considering the vehicles they're to produce in the next 4 years... Redesigned ION, Sky, Outlook, Aura... And they're only going to get better.
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Well I dont know Kids, who had the highest sales last year ? therein lies the answer ! Somehow I doubt it was the American Yugo
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Well I dont know Kids, who had the highest sales last year ? therein lies the answer!

Pontiac, of course... You didn't vote for it, though. :P
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Pontiac, though it has a huge amount of baggage and suffers from neglect. Saturn, though, has the most potential, and not coincidentally, is getting the most attention.
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For me, Buick, 'cause it's going to be the one I purchase.

P.S. - Please stop these topics that pit one GM make against each other. GM has positioned Buick and Pontiac and GMC together, each helping and complementing the other. They are now linked as virtually one make, so try to be encouraging to each!

Instead, why not run a poll of which GM executive :o needs to be canned? My vote will be for whoever most let Buick and Pontiac get in this position.
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I really think the Solstice will do LOTS for Pontiac. More than people seem to think. Remember, this is Lutz' baby. Will he really want his name attatched to a vehicle that will die in 5 years due to poor product decisions? Not hardly.
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This topic was formerly in the C&G Lounge, now it's moved to the General Motors News :huh: section? Hardly deserving to be thought of as news. What good can come of it, other than making one GM brand look bad compared to another?
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Chevy, no matter what Chevrolet will never be killed. Of the 4 choices presented, Saturn is the only one with any real products in the pipeline, so they win by default.
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Just wanted to put a poll up for the evening/early morning hours and in the lounge registration is required.
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Josh: So? I stand by my comments. It's not news and, as has been the case too much here, yet again pits one GM brand against another. Poor move, IMHO.
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Voted Buick after sitting there for lilke 45 sec. thinking about it. Pontiac is a very close runner up but Buick s worldwide presance and fame in China gives it and edge.
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Josh: So?  I stand by my comments.  It's not news and, as has been the case too much here, yet again pits one GM brand against another.  Poor move, IMHO.

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I can move it/remove it if people would like. It's just a chance to vote on what you feel is the strongest brand and nothing more.

Not out to make any brand look bad. Hell we could have the samething in 4 months and Buick could trounce the rest of the brands.
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Although I like Pontiac, Saturn clearly is headed in the right direction by offering a full model line to compete against VW. Pontiac, on the other hand has good products. Unfortunately, some are outdated and others are just rebadges of chevys.(I'm looking at you Torrent and Montana SV6) GM has stated that Pontiac will be trimming down significantly but I don't think we'll see that happening for a while. Some dealers rely soley on Pontiac and not GMC and Buick. GM has to fix the dealer issue before it can focus the brands and make them smaller.
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Saturn has the most compelling products coming, but they will come at a price, and will the public accept them for their price points? GM will need to have a major, convincing marketing effort coming, and these new vehicles may just cannibalize the other divisions. It's anything but a sure thing.
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I agree whole heartedly with Wildcat, these posts are just trouble makers and but another wrong turn.

Pontiac has the most promising line up right now.

saturin has nothing, what? two potential cars, one is a Pontiac rebadge and the other is a RWD Aurora/Audi 6 years behind the fact ? Toot ! toot ! saturin is still not making any money

Pontiac and Buick are the only ones selling volumn and have been selling volumn. Yes BOP was the meal ticket for these morfidite leaches that have sucked the developement dollars out of GM.

Dumb thread, highly suspect of the motive behind posting it.

Like I said the answers lie in the sales volumn, not opinion
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I agree that this really is just a "Which of these GM brands do you like most (or dislike the least)?" thread that will not end well.
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I voted before reading the criteria. I based my answer on which brand has the most coherent image. So, I chose Buick. Just about anyone you ask will say Buick is an old persons car or they'll say it's elegant and comfortable depending on the age of the respondent. I'm not sure enough people know what a Saab is. Saturn used to be well-known for entry-level cars. Now, there's not much of any image (yet). Pontiac limped along for a long time on the back of the Trans Am (We Build Excitement) which everyone remembered from the movies and TV. The average joe probably doesn't think much of anything (rightly or wrongly) about Pontiac. Maybe that will change soon. Buick has the most solid image (even if the ad guys aren't thrilled with it).
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That's a tough one.... I think fundamentally, they should ALL go away...... BUT I voted for Pontiac to be the strongest....not because it's strongest now, but because I think GM has a better shot of revitalizing the performance image Pontiac used to hold....and that could bod well for them in the future. Buick's image has been squandered too much to recapture that "Doctor's Car" aura. AND, trying to recast Buicks as "Premium American Motorcars" is rubbish....as there's really nothing "Premium" about them at THIS juncture. They had a good think going when people off-the-cuff referred to them as the "American Jaguar." Even that has been squandered with the recent product and styling decisions that Buick is living with. SAAB.....considering what Ford has done with Volvo in recent years, Saab is an embarrassment....for GM and for SAAB itself. No further discussion necessary. Saturn might have great cars coming (AURA, SKY) but they will never live up to their ultimate potential (or even their past) now that GM has taken every sliver of individuality out of this once-innovative "concept."
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I voted for Saturn and while I like pontiac much more ill give my brand by brand breakdown. Sabb- Weakest, only decent vehicle is the 9-3, 9-2 is cheap rebadge of the WRX, 9-5 is ancient and the 9-7 while nice is one of a half doezen GMT 360s. Future, new 9-3 still years away with a future 9-5 replacment up in the air as to if it will actually get AWD with Subaru's loss, also the 9-6 has been cancelled because of this, overall a very uncertain future product line. Buick- Though quiet attractive the lacrosse and Lucerence are both on old chasis mated with either uncompetitve engine (3800) or engines that are mated to old 4 speed autos. Also the 4.6 northstar in the Lucerene only makes 275 horse where the new Avalon makes almost as much even after the new ratings, and the 3.6 lost a bunch of hp and a ton of tourque making the transition to FWD. These cars could be made great if the new base engine on the Lacrosse was the 3900, with a more powerful 3.6 making at last 250 horse 240 ftlbs, both being hooked up to a 6 speed auto. The Lucrene would have the same 3.6 for the base and a 300 hp northstar with a 6 speed. Buick has a kickass lambda coming and hopefully another car or two, I consider buick and pontiac to be tied in this race. Buick has too few models even for a line that is not a full car line and pontiac doesnt have any clear cut mission or styling. Pontiac has Grand prix that could use a new interior and a 6 speed auto but otherwise is pretty good. The G6 needs to get the 6 speed also with more manual options, the 3.5 should be replaced with the 3.5 vvt. Better interior materials, the ergonomics and design are great but the dash materials and some other prats are crap. Solstice is pontiacs future Torrent could use better power train and some more options to distinguish it from the nox but should be a volume helper. Minivan should be dropped. If Pontiac gets the new GTO, G8, based off of zeta and a kappa based 3 series fighter we may have a hige turn around, so long as Pontiac keeps its new products fresh. he Reason I voted for saturn despite it being my least favorite of the 4 is that it has the best product in the pipline. The Aura, sky and new Ion are all amazingly desigined with fantastic interiors, good drivetrains and a common design theme and direction that unifys the saturn brand. The outlook is coming as well as a new Vue and at least one or two other vehicles. Saturn might not be much now but give it a few years and it will be.
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I didn't read all the posts but I put Buick for no other reason than volume. Buick moves WAY more cars that Saturn and I am pretty sure it moves more than Pontiac by a good margin too. Also Buick has THE highest customer loyalty in the industry. That counts for something.
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