Just built a G8 and . . . . .

[K.C.]

I priced up a fully loaded GT with Premium Package, Sport Package, and Sunroof for $32,745. I then priced up a loaded V-6 model with Comfort & Sound Package, Premium Package, and Sunroof, and the price was $33,735. Wha? A loaded V-6 model is $990 more? Come on people!

Edited March 8, 2008 by K.C.

[Camino LS6]

Strange.

[VenSeattle]

Well... Those who want better MPG are willing to pay more than those who want HP.

I'm joking... but honestly, it's really down to a choice between the two powertrains. The V8 is not necessarily higher end than the V6. It's just preference to some. Power isn't a premium, just an option? Sound possible?

[K.C.]

Well... Those who want better MPG are willing to pay more than those who want HP.

I'm joking... but honestly, it's really down to a choice between the two powertrains. The V8 is not necessarily higher end than the V6. It's just preference to some. Power isn't a premium, just an option? Sound possible?

Well, it is a different way of thinking. Just caught me off guard.

[Robert Hall]

I priced up a fully loaded GT with Premium Package, Sport Package, and Sunroof for $32,745. I then priced up a loaded V-6 model with Comfort & Sound Package, Premium Package, and Sunroof, and the price was $33,735. Wha? A loaded V-6 model is $990 more? Come on people!

Math. The difference is probably the 'Comfort & Sound Package' vs. the 'Sport Package' + v8..

Edited March 8, 2008 by moltar

[regfootball]

this dude is hitting the auto show tomorrow and i will be spending QUALITY time in a g8. i can taste it.

[Robert Hall]

this dude is hitting the auto show tomorrow and i will be spending QUALITY time in a g8. i can taste it.

Looking forward to seeing it myself at the end of the month at the Denver Auto Show..

[Oracle of Delphi]

this dude is hitting the auto show tomorrow and i will be spending QUALITY time in a g8. i can taste it.

Don't lick the seats, I hear it's Chinese leather! :AH-HA_wink:

[Camino LS6]

I'm going to have to drag my butt to the local Pontiac store and see if they have one yet.

[Oracle of Delphi]

I'm going to have to drag my butt to the local Pontiac store and see if they have one yet.

You have to drag it there? God now I'm afraid!

[Camino LS6]

You have to drag it there? God now I'm afraid!

Let's just say that my "to do" list is a bit onerous these days.

[Newbiewar]

I priced up a fully loaded GT with Premium Package, Sport Package, and Sunroof for $32,745. I then priced up a loaded V-6 model with Comfort & Sound Package, Premium Package, and Sunroof, and the price was $33,735. Wha? A loaded V-6 model is $990 more? Come on people!

some people wont notice this because the v8 is an unthinkable option... this is where GM profits from green freaks...

[SuperSport623]

woot! reward the V8 lovers!

[Croc]

I'd only take the 6...with current hp/torque levels from modern 6s, I cannot for the life of me think of one situation where I'd say, "damn, I wish I had the 8." The weight savings alone (and better weight balance front/rear) likely make the 6 the better handler anyway.

[ocnblu]

This car is in a much better position than the GTO was, with a real trunk, four doors and the 3.6L option. I hope it does well.

[SuperSport623]

I'd only take the 6...with current hp/torque levels from modern 6s, I cannot for the life of me think of one situation where I'd say, "damn, I wish I had the 8." The weight savings alone (and better weight balance front/rear) likely make the 6 the better handler anyway.

unrelated, but that remind me of a quote to knock off the fast and the furious.....

I live my life a 1/4 mile at a time.... the whole 23 seconds, i wish i had a V8

[Cory Wolfe]

unrelated, but that remind me of a quote to knock off the fast and the furious.....

I live my life a 1/4 mile at a time.... the whole 23 seconds, i wish i had a V8

My Cutlass makes me want my Millenia, performance wise.

[SuperSport623]

time for a 350 swap!

[K.C.]

Thinkin about this post last night, I realize that at first, the G8 GT will come with a stupid tax that will make it far more expensive than a loaded V-6 model.

[Robert Hall]

I see the V6 has 256 hp. This is the regular 3.6 and not the DI, I assume?

[SuperSport623]

i thought the G8 dodges the gas guzzler tax?

[K.C.]

Its the same engine that the base CTS has. The DI would be a good inclusion to the G8 imo.

[Sixty8panther]

This car will sell very well IMO. The G8 is an amazing product.

[turbo200]

I'm assuming no DI because of where the car is assembled. GM must not be giving Holden DI engines for thier cars yet. 256 hp is definitely enough. the hp wars are crazy in my book. 300 hp with equal or better gas mileage is without a doubt fantastic. BUT, if you're just looking at hp, 256 is more than enough. this is a whole pissing war/grass is greaner on the other side issue. 300 hp without a hot wife still only nets 300 hp, net gain not much additional happiness.

[Paolino]

I see the V6 has 256 hp. This is the regular 3.6 and not the DI, I assume?

Weird... I thought the original number was 261. Oh well, it's 5hp.

[regfootball]

Don't lick the seats, I hear it's Chinese leather! :AH-HA_wink:

they had the fking car on the turntable! you couldn't get inside!. the exterior is stunning. the interior looks average from a few feet away. i'm pissed we couldn't get in one.

[regfootball]

I'm assuming no DI because of where the car is assembled. GM must not be giving Holden DI engines for thier cars yet. 256 hp is definitely enough. the hp wars are crazy in my book. 300 hp with equal or better gas mileage is without a doubt fantastic. BUT, if you're just looking at hp, 256 is more than enough. this is a whole pissing war/grass is greaner on the other side issue. 300 hp without a hot wife still only nets 300 hp, net gain not much additional happiness.

i read a test of the non-DI CTS recently. the numbers for the non-DI CTS were VERY close to the DI version.

[gm4life]

True they are not near as far apart as you might think they would be.

[gm4life]

I actually think hump know its a typo V6 more than a V8... Plus a loaded G8 GT has 19's and the V6 has 18's.

[regfootball]

another couple reasons the gto failed. no sunroof. aero smooth styling. non existent trunk. gas tank in a really undesirable spot.

[The O.C.]

I'd only take the 6...with current hp/torque levels from modern 6s, I cannot for the life of me think of one situation where I'd say, "damn, I wish I had the 8." The weight savings alone (and better weight balance front/rear) likely make the 6 the better handler anyway.

True....but the G8 is a heavy piece....relatively speaking.....

I know that from experience, the HF V6 is less-than-sparkling, performance-wise, in my 3800-lb CTS.......and I average 18mpg in mixed driving.

In retrospect, I SHOULD have ordered a V-series.....because I don't think I would have gotten that much worse mileage.....and the car would have been way faster.....hence, if in the market for a G8, it's V8.....ALL the way.....

[The O.C.]

I'm assuming no DI because of where the car is assembled. GM must not be giving Holden DI engines for thier cars yet. 256 hp is definitely enough. the hp wars are crazy in my book. 300 hp with equal or better gas mileage is without a doubt fantastic. BUT, if you're just looking at hp, 256 is more than enough. this is a whole pissing war/grass is greaner on the other side issue. 300 hp without a hot wife still only nets 300 hp, net gain not much additional happiness.

I agree.

The enthusiast in me says...."give me more horsepower".....

But the realist in me says, for example, the 2.0L L4 Turbo in the A4 I'm driving is MORE than enough performance (and economy) that I'll ever need.

[The O.C.]

True they are not near as far apart as you might think they would be.

True....but wierd thing...

On the C&D website, they rate the 0-60 on the standard 3.6L as 7.0 secs....(not that bad).....but in the recent C&D mag I just got, they have it at 6.4 secs.....which is awesome for the base 3.6L.....

Why the discrepancy? Hmmm.....

[Oracle of Delphi]

True....but wierd thing...

On the C&D website, they rate the 0-60 on the standard 3.6L as 7.0 secs....(not that bad).....but in the recent C&D mag I just got, they have it at 6.4 secs.....which is awesome for the base 3.6L.....

Why the discrepancy? Hmmm.....

150 pound driver compared to a 300 pound driver?

Edited March 9, 2008 by Pontiac Custom-S

[The O.C.]

150 pound driver compared to a 300 pound driver?

It's this f*cking website versus magazine thing......

You will NEVER replace the enjoyment I get in reading an actual magazine over the website anyday.......f*ck the internet (when it comes to car $h!.)

[regfootball]

the non DI CTS got great times in C/D. its plenty fast.

[The O.C.]

It's this f*cking website versus magazine thing......

You will NEVER replace the enjoyment I get in reading an actual magazine over the website anyday.......f*ck the internet (when it comes to car $h!.)

OK so maybe I was a bit drunk last night.....LOL.....

Of couse C&G is GREAT for car $h!.....I meant car-magazine-type stuff.......

[Blake Noble]

another couple reasons the gto failed. no sunroof. aero smooth styling. non existent trunk. gas tank in a really undesirable spot.

The G8 has a sunroof option and a trunk big enough for a six-footer to curl up in. As for the styling, that is a subjective issue; I find the car attractive myself, so to each his own and, yes, the gas tank location brings back nightmares of Ford Pintos burning like Roman Candles, but I'm positive that the G8 won't blow up if you kick it's rear bumper.

[The O.C.]

another couple reasons the gto failed. no sunroof. aero smooth styling. non existent trunk. gas tank in a really undesirable spot.

In one sense, I think one reason it failed was the Mustang GT.

(The Mustang doesn't offer a sunroof either.)

But I think people looking for that type of car saw the Mustang GT as a much better value-for-the-money......almost as fast, but alot cheaper....and (this is subjective) with much better styling.

[A Horse With No Name]

this dude is hitting the auto show tomorrow and i will be spending QUALITY time in a g8. i can taste it.

...and I am jealous. The G8 is hot.

Chris

[A Horse With No Name]

In one sense, I think one reason it failed was the Mustang GT.

(The Mustang doesn't offer a sunroof either.)

But I think people looking for that type of car saw the Mustang GT as a much better value-for-the-money......almost as fast, but alot cheaper....and (this is subjective) with much better styling.

...if you want a sunroof I have a sawzall.

But seriously, your right on the Mustang thing.

Chris

[avro206]

where did you build it?

I was just at pontiac.com and that option was not there

[turbo200]

In one sense, I think one reason it failed was the Mustang GT.

(The Mustang doesn't offer a sunroof either.)

But I think people looking for that type of car saw the Mustang GT as a much better value-for-the-money......almost as fast, but alot cheaper....and (this is subjective) with much better styling.

oh definitely. it made a strong statement, a very unique one. It's a car that's both handsome and refined/sophisticated with certain trim. So it appeals to the spectrum, those looking for a bad ass and those looking for pure grace. Inside and out it was a homerun. And the cheaper part was a big deal as well. Pound for pound, idea for idea, valet curb to cool club doorstep [insert trendy cliche], the Mustang was more car for your money. It was and is just cooler.

[balthazar]

So if this is true, the G8 is going to suck the market out from the -what- 5-series, right? Much better value, almost as fast (faster??), but a lot cheaper, with much better styling. I guess we'll see....

[turbo200]

So if this is true, the G8 is going to suck the market out from the -what- 5-series, right? Much better value, almost as fast (faster??), but a lot cheaper, with much better styling. I guess we'll see....

if you take brand value out of the question. the notion that BMW will sink into the ground because Pontiac released a better 5-series is not very well thought out. BMW is an image. of sophistication, of performance, of stature. And Pontiac is not.

Side note: who ever said G8 was better looking? They're both saying different things, and both good looking. They both have a technical approach to things, both opt for sophistication and subtlety with style, but the G8 is more mass market. The details in the 5-series, well from what I've seen in pictures of the G8, still amount to a more expensive looking car by means of flash and complexity.

Pontiac v. Ford is even ground. Mustang is a hot property and GTO definitely had/has name equity. Which has more is always left up to the product. Simply put, the Mustang was a much better concept execution of what a Mustang should be. GTO, well, wasn't a monster performance coupe, at least from the looks of it. It was refined, handsome with a conservative tone, very un-flashy, subtle, quiet.

The Monaro coupe was a great car but not a great execution of the GTO formula.

Edited March 11, 2008 by turbo200

[gm4life]

Damn right its hot.

[stillen]

The 09 model will most likely have the 3.6 DI engine.

[turbo200]

if anything the DI engine should be the uplevel model with the V8 being a limited, inexpensive option. that would make that model hot.

[Drew Dowdell]

The Monaro coupe was a great car but not a great execution of the GTO formula.

Your grandmother's LeMans with a big engine?

Or your aunt's Grand Prix coupe with RWD and a big engine?

the similarities in "formula" are remarkable.

[regfootball]

The 09 model will most likely have the 3.6 DI engine.

not according to the order guide for 09