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yes i flew to toronto and picked up a stripped uplander from carbiz......it was a tough choice between the uplander and the pontiac wave.........

LOL

I liked satty's guesses......har har

ok, my gm card had 2,000 bucks available to me.....not sure if that sways anyone's guess......

the dealers are desperate right now! time to buy I am telling you!!!!!!!

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by the way, my dad told me i should have popped for the used 06 R class mercedes! but at least i will tell you i did not get the mercedes........

i will throw this nugget out there. the trade offer on the aztek was pathetic so i will have 3 vehicles for a short period of time......keeping the aztek, at least unless one of you wants to buy it and be seen driving it.......

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yes i flew to toronto and picked up a stripped uplander from carbiz......

LOL

I liked satty's guesses......har har

ok, my gm card had 2,000 bucks available to me.....not sure if that sways anyone's guess......

LaCrosse, Grand Prix (since you once wrote about one) or Impala. Those are all $ 2,000 + cars on the redemption allowance.

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by the way, my dad told me i should have popped for the used 06 R class mercedes! but at least i will tell you i did not get the mercedes........

i will throw this nugget out there. the trade offer on the aztek was pathetic so i will have 3 vehicles for a short period of time......keeping the aztek, at least unless one of you wants to buy it and be seen driving it.......

I wouldn't be ashamed of driving an Aztek. But Im wierd....

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by the way, my dad told me i should have popped for the used 06 R class mercedes! but at least i will tell you i did not get the mercedes........

i will throw this nugget out there. the trade offer on the aztek was pathetic so i will have 3 vehicles for a short period of time......keeping the aztek, at least unless one of you wants to buy it and be seen driving it.......

What color is the Aztek? I bid a dollar, and I will keep it within my gated community to keep it safe! :smilewide:

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What color is the Aztek? I bid a dollar, and I will keep it within my gated community to keep it safe! :smilewide:

i am selling it back to GM...they have developed a third world grade BAS system for it, will retrofit that into the vehicle as a running prototype to test and potentially revive the aztek hybrid and sell it in developing countries.

AT LEAST IT'S NOT A REBADGED GME CARL PETER WAGON!

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i am selling it back to GM...they have developed a third world grade BAS system for it, will retrofit that into the vehicle as a running prototype to test and potentially revive the aztek hybrid and sell it in developing countries.

AT LEAST IT'S NOT A REBADGED GME CARL PETER WAGON!

That's Carl-Peter to you Mister! Get it right. :AH-HA_wink:

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On a more serious note:

I assume that if you're replacing th Aztek, you're going to replace it another space-mobile, so I'd rule out anything thats not an SUV or wagon. I also assume you didn't buck the trend, so you didn't pick up something massive like a Tahoe. That leaves wagons and small SUVs/crossovers, and minivans, since you said new to you, which doesn't require it being new. The Vibe seems a bit compact, the HHR a little tight on space compared to the Aztek. I'm thinking maybe VUE, or an off-lease Terraza/SV6. Or a Hummer H3.

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What color is the Aztek? I bid a dollar, and I will keep it within my gated community to keep it safe! :smilewide:

I think an Aztek would be safe even in East Saint Louis, making your gate superfluous...

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On a more serious note:

I assume that if you're replacing th Aztek, you're going to replace it another space-mobile, so I'd rule out anything thats not an SUV or wagon. I also assume you didn't buck the trend, so you didn't pick up something massive like a Tahoe. That leaves wagons and small SUVs/crossovers, and minivans, since you said new to you, which doesn't require it being new. The Vibe seems a bit compact, the HHR a little tight on space compared to the Aztek. I'm thinking maybe VUE, or an off-lease Terraza/SV6. Or a Hummer H3.

Ted (fighting off danger as usual) was most accurate and I like Satty's powers of deduction.

used Taurus X, about 12k miles. all wheel drive. SYNC (you cannot believe how impossible this is to find on the Taurus X). EDDIE BAUER (matches my wife's fashion sense).

I spent 3-4 thou more than i wanted to or should have, but in the end there was two other choices.....Ford had upped the rebates on the Edge to 5,000 bucks. Plus, there is a literal glut of used Mitsubishi Endeavors (which I like a lot) to pick from at great prices.

But even with the great Edge offers (i was quoted 20,800 for a new SE with sync and some other goodies) and the supercheap prices on the Endeavor, I sprung for the Taurus X. The offers from Ford on new Taurus and Taurus X were not near as good as the Edge and the selection was almost non existent. On the Edge, there are a lot of 08's left, but not in the best color combos. Last night I told my wife I would get the new Edge but then this morning I flip flopped, reasoning that the extra cargo space, moonroof (a must for me), all wheel drive, and tri-zone climate control would be desired in the long run. Also, I preferred the driving position of the Taurus X...lower than the Edge, just about perfect actually.

What helped with this choice was since i drive a 500 already i was totally trusting what i expect to be complete reliability from this X. Even the Pirelli tires are the same so i know what to expect even from that regard.

I checked on getting video put in but its too spendy.

Mainly I put off the Endeavor for now because even though its cheaper, the resale over time would be less, plus premium gas, slightly low mpg (only a 4 speed), and a really hard and expensive bluetooth / usb install. Endeavors have factory faceplates on the radio that preclude easy radio installs, even though they do make factory Ipod adapters. The cheaper LS models don't have power seats either, even. To add remote start and heated seats on the LS seemed to be too much hassle, and the SE version with power seat and all of that is much more rare. One bonus to the Endeavor, the 5/60 BTB is a major draw....assuming Mits stays in business.

The third row played a factor.....my kid will love it....although the TRex only seats 6. i was upset that the Trex has very few made with the 2nd row bench. But my wife says my kid will love being able to get from the 2nd row to the third row. The Edge nor the Endeavor have 3 row, although they do have plenty of room to seat 5 comfortably which is important. If we have another kid then we can fully use all 6 places when the inlaws come along for the ride. Wife and kid can sit in the back 2 rows with their own climate control and all of that. Sweet.

I may add remote start to the TRex, although that price is spendy....GM has it standard on their cheapest models....Ford needs to get with that program.

I considered the Outlook, but even with GMS and discounts, it greatly exceeded the cost of this used Rex. Plus, it feels like a whole class larger vehicle.

The Flex is what i really want (it was my first choice), but its too pricey right now, and with all the lenders tightening or eliminating leasing I was afraid that option would not be available to me when I turn my car in. This Rex was about 10-12 grand less......

I made the mistake of telling my wife she would be driving the new car. She was expecting I would drive it, but its so nice if I don't give it to her to drive, I am being selfish. She suffered through the Aztek enough. This vehicle is so underrated.....its smooth like glass and handles great for a crossover.....i can't wait for the first trip!!!!!!!!!!!

Now i have to figure if there is any money left to ditch the Aztek or see if I am forever doomed to drive it.......ugh........

Overspending on this may steer me to a cheap lease on an Astra or Aura to replace my 500 when i turn it in in a few weeks........

funny story....i got back to work after my long expensive lunch and the sales guy i did not buy from had emailed me and told me ford came out with 0/60 and 0/72 on the edge......i had to break the bad news to him.......

i figure i paid about 2/3 or less of the list price for a vehicle with a few miles on it and in service about 8 months or so......maybe more like 60%

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Nice, the Taurus X is overlooked, which is a shame, cause it seems like a fabulous vehicle.

Oh, and your GM card comment took me off the Ford track, I was thinking Edge for a minute.

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How much?

21 and change. i figure the sticker would be around 34-35k, if my pricing exercise is correct....so maybe 2/3 list. MSRP means nothing these days when you make a habit of buying rental queens!

of course, if i tried to trade it next week, would they offer me 13 grand?

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Congrats Reg.

Don't stop shopping though, you've gotten pretty good at writing reviews! :AH-HA_wink:

i figure i would do a much better job of it than all the morons who write for the press, the Jobs, Dan Neil, most of motor trend's staff, schmucks like that.

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IF i had the space for another car i would pay you $5500 for your Aztek. I loved those things the only reason why we got the vibe over the Aztec was gas mileage. Very easy to drive and functional suvish car. Its not that ugly either i mean i would take it over the CR-V, or flex anyday. The Freestyle is a very nice station wagon though. Our Shop bought one as a parts getter and with the seats flat you can pack a $h! load of stuff in it. Good choice though!

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Congrats on the new car Reg! I got to this thread too late, but I remembered you talking about looking at Tauruses and Edges a while back. You'll have to test out the acceleration and see how the Duratec 35 compares to the old 3.0.

Looking forward to your driving impressions!

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Congrats on the new Ford. As long as it is American I am happy. Does it move pretty good? I was hoping you got a Torrent so we each could have one. :(

well once i get to drive it tomorrow i will let you know!

as far as large crossovers go, it does well. the advantage of the 3.5 over the sprite 3.0 is very evident.

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Congrats...GREAT Choice...I know you will be happy with this.

Also, sooo glad to see that you got the moonroof. So nice for a ride with the Mrs. in the evening...

Good luck and keep us posted, I think you did great!

Chris

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My neighbors, the Ford Fanatics, own two 2005 Fords - he owns a 500 Limited and she owns a Freestyle Limited. Both are up in mileage (highway driving to work), I'd say around 50-60k and both have been reliable cars for them. Her biggest complaint with teh Freestyle is that it goes through brakes. He's had it back to the dealer three times now (her car is closer to 60k). We've travelled in the Freestyle to HersheyPark (a 2-hour ride) - the wife & I in the middle row, our son & theirs in the back row (the little guy was with the grandparents for the day) - and it was a comfortable and enjoyable experience. Best of luck to you & the wife with the new car and many happy motoring miles!!

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thanks!

they should have gotten the TSB / free brake fix done from ford. ford gave me new rear brakes on my 500. all you have to do it point it out and let the service tech fetch it. corrected the wear and rust and brake dust and squeaking issues. cheap pad material i believe.

of course, their mileage may have exceeded their ability to do that now.

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Great choice. The Taurus X is packaged very well, and while the Edge may be better looking, the X seats more people more comfortably, which is surely the whole point of getting a big V6 crossover.

I like the slight contrast on the seats!

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Congratulations. A new car is always a big deal...

Well, you've sure got that Ford loyalty and I've got tunnel vision (in your last link, the first thing I spotted was 2 GPs in the background....maybe that's "selective perception.")

Enjoy and I hope your kid enjoys the space.

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Congratulations. A new car is always a big deal...

Well, you've sure got that Ford loyalty and I've got tunnel vision (in your last link, the first thing I spotted was 2 GPs in the background....maybe that's "selective perception.")

Enjoy and I hope your kid enjoys the space.

i can already tell, this thing uses more fuel than my 500. the freestyles had great real world mpg....i dont think this will quite match the 20+ those were getting. I gotta fill it tonight.

epa says 15/22 i think. i was predicting 17.5. it better not come in under that. insurance is DIRT CHEAP so that helps make up for it.

of course, you know that going into it......with a large crossover.

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Awesome, and very overlooked, choice! The Freestyle/Taurus X has always been one of my quiet favorites since intro, along with the 500/Taurus/Montego/Sable because they're all extremely solid and unusually well built and refined vehicles that also get better than expected fuel mileage and are loaded with space. Looks have been hit or miss, but that's about the only thing.

My father, the previously Ford hater in every way, even came around to the Freestyle so much after seeing them in person and me telling him people really got 20-25 mpg with them, and loved the space of the sedans and idea of "Volvo guts underneath".

It's bigger than an Edge, no doubt, but performance should be similar with the benefit being that--at least in my experience--the Taurus X still feels more solid and refined with considerably better materials and such than the Edge. You wanted a Flex, and as the Flex is now considered the "stylish Taurus X" and will faze it out, you just got the classy original one.

Great, great choice and the 2/3rds'ish price with a few miles is even better.

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ok, i filled the tank and cruised a few miles.

the DIC after plunging to like 6 mpg in stop and go, came back around to 18.2 avg mpg in about 30 miles. this is with trips to 3 drive thrus, waiting, and lots of stoplight time.

i have no doubt road trips will exceed 20 mpg. if my wife (leadfoot) lays off the gas, if i get 18.5 consistently in town, i should not convulse. Freestyle owners got 22+ often with theirs. If i got one of these for myself, I would go FWD. you can really feel the added driveline friction of the AWD, and the added weight. I bet FWD gets at least 10% better mpg and feels more athletic.

Not that this car doesn't feel athletic though....for a crossover its great. Better than the Edge, IMHO. Maybe the upcoming Edge SPort is better. the ride and handling for this type of vehicle are really nice. the steering feel is great although it could be quicker ratio.

Funny story, I just tried to send myself a dirty text message......I wanted to hear how the Female Sync voice would read it back to me....not gonna repeat it but it had body parts and actions and stuff...........i accidentally sent it to my home phone.......i RUSHED into the house when i realized what i had done and my wife had just gotten off the phone......gave me the most puzzled look (the voice mail reads the text back to you in computer voice).

All i really wanted to do was send dirty texts to my wife when she is in the car driving. :)

Although, this morning, she tried to answer a call and her mom on the other end couldn't hear her. So she got frustrated and disconnected the phone from the Sync. I TOLD HER the WHOLE POINT is to figger out how to use it! and PLEASE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD TALK NORMALLY AND LOUD ENOUGH AND STRAIGHT FORWARD so the sync picks it up!!!!!!!!!!!!

you really have to struggle with un-tech savvy people. YEESH

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ok, the ride and handling and steering and overall, this thing is awesome for this type of vehicle. you sacrifice ultimate cargo space vs. a minivan or acadia but the vehicle DOES NOT feel huge, and visibility is tremendous vs. other crossovers. this was the right choice. drive this and an acadia back to back....the acadia has a bulkier feel. The acadia is great also, but the TRex just feels more carlike. Both are great vehicles.....the Acadia just feels a bit truckish in comparison.

i wish the seat height were the same as my 500....its a little higher....my 500's perfect. lower the front seat a couple inches.

It's too bad this thing has not caught on. I think it could easily co-exist with the Flex if it were MARKETED.

The whole thing is smooth as glass. The miles can go by effortlessly in this thing.

DIC is showing north of 18.5 for this tank. Hoping it can inch up to 19 with some judicious throttle application.

Still learning Sync.....it's gonna take awhile...HOWEVER, I just learned how to finally make my portable hard drive Sync compatible.....

Any device you want to use with Sync like a portable hard drive has to be FAT32. It was a beeoch figuring out how to backdoor it through vista to format a drive to FAT32 but right now I am copying all my itunes music library to the portable hard drive! I have like 90GB of mp3's which now I can just grab and go! in the car! I did a prelim test with a few folders and it worked beautifully! As soon as its done copying I will test it to see how it works with the 90GB on it. (its a 320gb drive).

This is huge.....if this works completely, it means no more CD's in the car, no more burning mp3 discs for the car....it means being able to have a backup copy of my entire library......handy and complete.

this is huge.

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Awesome. I agree on the FWD--I stay away from AWD/4WD like the plague just because of the added drag, weight, maintenance and lack of need (well, except for dad's Subie...and he's been thinking of ways to get rid of it, until I stopped him), but that said, you will still have great traction in any kind of situation.

That EB look really takes it up a few levels. Hopefully wifee learns how to use the Sync quickly and doesn't give up--that would be a shame! Reminds me of my father and remote fobs when they don't unlock all the car doors on the first try..."seriously, just give me the key, and not this thing".

Sounds like it's going well and you made a very good choice!

My only question...does it have the power hatch option or the power folding middle row? I assume not, as it seems a ton of them don't, but I'm a power hatch fan and just play with them too much...great feature, if you have it.

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Still learning Sync.....it's gonna take awhile...HOWEVER, I just learned how to finally make my portable hard drive Sync compatible.....

Any device you want to use with Sync like a portable hard drive has to be FAT32. It was a beeoch figuring out how to backdoor it through vista to format a drive to FAT32 but right now I am copying all my itunes music library to the portable hard drive! I have like 90GB of mp3's which now I can just grab and go! in the car! I did a prelim test with a few folders and it worked beautifully! As soon as its done copying I will test it to see how it works with the 90GB on it. (its a 320gb drive).

This is huge.....if this works completely, it means no more CD's in the car, no more burning mp3 discs for the car....it means being able to have a backup copy of my entire library......handy and complete.

this is huge.

Cool...so how do you synch the portable hard drive with the car---is there a USB or other connector on the head unit? Sounds great...

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nope, the power hatch though i think would have been nice actually. the power folding seat maybe a bit gimmicky.

I actually dislike power hatches, because you can't cram bags and crap without the pinch-protection system interfering.

Does voice recognition/song selection work for hard drives/USB sticks as well? Or is it an iPod/MP3-player thing only?

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there is a USB inside the console armrest thingie.

plug it in. simple as that. flash drives work best. ipods work.

mine is simply a portable 320gb western digital hdd....one USB plug...the USB powers the drive and provides the connection to the sync system and stereo.

all i did was copy the artist folders in my itunes library to the drive. it takes a couple minutes for sync to index it....but i amazed how fast sync finds tunes. I have about 90gb of tunes on the drive....sync finds whatever you want in a split second.

the drive must be formatted FAT32 and if you want sync to find a tune your mp3 has to be tagged correctly with artist name and track name and all of that. NTFS cannot be read by sync. Flash drives should be ok no matter what.

apparently if you have the DVD nav head unit you can use even more voice commands with sync as far as controlling radio functions, dvd entertainment system functions, second audio program in the rear, all of that.

you have this in your car....you won't want a car without it.

i am thinking my phone is not supported for downloading and having my text messages read to me. I need to figure out that part yet. It is phone dependent.

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That's a feature I'd definitely want...I have a Western Digital Passport hdd that I back up my iTunes to... it's strange, Sync is still not available on the Mustang....I wonder why.

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Congrats...? :mellow:

You'll have to excuse me if I do not get

all giddy like a fat kid in a candy store

the day after easter. :rolleyes:

This Free-TaurusX-style is a perfect

example of a vehicle that reminds of how

"Ford" is still a four letter word starting

with F, & should only be spoken in anger.

That being said how does this have

anything to do with GM points on your

card, it's not new OR GM!?

Congrats Reg, although now we can't make fun of you for driving an ugly car now. :P

It's a TaurusX, how's that much better looking than

the Asstek? It looks like someone backed up into a

mailbox & smashed the tail light lens right from the

factory with those horrific, ugly "semi-euro" lenses.

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you have this in your car....you won't want a car without it.

NO I DO NOT.

But that was spoken like a true brainwashed consumer. :AH-HA_wink:

I'd rather have a hole in my head than be obsessed with

new technology... it does NOTHING for me, and most car

nuts I know would give a crap less either. To each his

own I guess but I have a "mental list" of about 50 more

important features in a car...

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That's a feature I'd definitely want...I have a Western Digital Passport hdd that I back up my iTunes to... it's strange, Sync is still not available on the Mustang....I wonder why.

check for 09.....they maybe didnt get the wiring figured out for it yet. until now.

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Congrats...? :mellow:

You'll have to excuse me if I do not get

all giddy like a fat kid in a candy store

the day after easter. :rolleyes:

This Free-TaurusX-style is a perfect

example of a vehicle that reminds of how

"Ford" is still a four letter word starting

with F, & should only be spoken in anger.

That being said how does this have

anything to do with GM points on your

card, it's not new OR GM!?

It's a TaurusX, how's that much better looking than

the Asstek? It looks like someone backed up into a

mailbox & smashed the tail light lens right from the

factory with those horrific, ugly "semi-euro" lenses.

used ford = better than a GM i guess.

seriously, compare the x or the edge etc. to a say, equinox or uplander, its fairly quick and obvious which one you would rather make a commitment to a payment book to.

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I'd rather have a hole in my head than be obsessed with

new technology...

I'm a tech nut, I'll admit it...working in the computer software industry, I'm always interested in the Next Big Thing...the next cool gadget...and naturally, that extends to cars as well...always looking forward. The past is gone, no point in dwell on or in it..

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NO I DO NOT.

But that was spoken like a true brainwashed consumer. :AH-HA_wink:

I'd rather have a hole in my head than be obsessed with

new technology... it does NOTHING for me, and most car

nuts I know would give a crap less either. To each his

own I guess but I have a "mental list" of about 50 more

important features in a car...

hmmm, like what exactly.......? or are you just mad its not a pillarless hardtop?

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hmmm, like what exactly.......? or are you just mad its not a pillarless hardtop?

Who knows? It's not BOF, not a hardtop, doesn't have a pushrod V8 and a carb... 68 will never accept the modern world, I'm afraid..best to just ignore his sad, delusionary rants... :)

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NO I DO NOT.

But that was spoken like a true brainwashed consumer. :AH-HA_wink:

I'd rather have a hole in my head than be obsessed with

new technology... it does NOTHING for me, and most car

nuts I know would give a crap less either. To each his

own I guess but I have a "mental list" of about 50 more

important features in a car...

Actually in a strange sort of a way I would agree. The cars I am in lust over right now are the original Benz Patentwagen from 1896, several brass era cars from the teens, a Lotus Elise, a Lotus Elite, A spec Miata, an Austin Healy 3000 Mk III, an Ariel Atom, A cobra Replica...

I would guess that having 50 LESS features is important in a car to me.

Chris

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Who knows? It's not BOF, not a hardtop, doesn't have a pushrod V8 and a carb... 68 will never accept the modern world, I'm afraid..best to just ignore his sad, delusionary rants... :)

Yes, but he's passionate about them. Or perhaps he's just really sent here from Toyota to spy on us, and in reality he drives a Camry and wears Scion related clothing and wants everyone to sing Kum-buy-ya and drive a Prius.

He's just under really deep cover...

Chris

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I'm a tech nut, I'll admit it...working in the computer software industry, I'm always interested in the Next Big Thing...the next cool gadget...and naturally, that extends to cars as well...always looking forward. The past is gone, no point in dwell on or in it..

Actually I love both. I love Brass era,classical (1930's Rolls, Caddy, Kissel, Stutz, etc.), 50's, 60's....even the 70's and 80's had cool cars (240Z or Buick Grand National anyone).

Life is too short to miss any of it.

Including the present. There are lots of cars I love being built right now.

Chris

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'66 Stang:

Except for that very twisted and scary thought of me

as a Toypet-humper, I agree 100%.

If I could, (all that stops me is lack of $$$) I'd be

daily driving a 1950s 80-100% original car with one

speaker in the dashboard (remember REVERB?!)

and if and when I wanted to get some great 'tunes

on I'd install a hidden CD/AM/FM/HD/MP3-player &

decent 6-speaker+ subwoofer setup.

I had my '68 Camaro for almost 4 years & never

in that whole tiome was there a Radio installed in

the car, for the record the HVAC was deleted too

as it had been a genuine drag car for half its life.

I'd take that car, THAT way, restored, over any

new Ford including the GT(40)... well if I got a GT

I could sell it and buy a rough btu restorable '30s

Cadillac 452 V16 but that's 'nother story. :P

Radios are for cars who's engines are either near

silent or do not make any sound worth listening to,

interesting or otherwise.

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thats all fine and dandy.

i enjoy tunes in my car, and i enjoy that i don't have to shuffle through a gazillian cd's, 8 tracks, or tapes, to bring along my entire collection for wide open volume at a moments notice.

i enjoy being able to tell the computer voice beesh what i want to hear and not have to dig through a box of cd's to do it.

i enjoy being able to make a phone call without endangering myself on the road doing so.

i would venture to say i am in the majority as opposed to those who don't even want climate control. get a motorcycle if you don't want climate control.

by the way, even my 85+ year old father in law enjoys his nav unit someone got him for a gift recently.

NAV, mp3's, cell phone integration, etc....all more important to many consumers today than whether the car has a b pillar or not.

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thats all fine and dandy.

i enjoy tunes in my car, and i enjoy that i don't have to shuffle through a gazillian cd's, 8 tracks, or tapes, to bring along my entire collection for wide open volume at a moments notice.

i would venture to say i am in the majority as opposed to those who don't even want climate control. get a motorcycle if you don't want climate control.

NAV, mp3's, cell phone integration, etc....all more important to many consumers today than whether the car has a b pillar or not.

Agreed...I think most of us that are living in <reality> appreciate modern features in a car...HVAC, AM/FM/CD/iPod integration, power everything, heated seats, 4 wheel disc brakes w/ ABS, safety features, etc. I want all the goodies.

I appreciate the oldies also..fun to look at at car shows, but certainly not something I'd want to deal with everyday...

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pioneer has that on one head unit now i think. albeit not working too well........

http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Ite...CF90&tp=526

i do think this technology will be available soon in the aftermarket. it had better be. you will demand it after using it.

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At any rate... [i agree to disagree politey] congrats on buying domestic. :)

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Regarding the ongoing debate about old vs new:

Old cars > new cars. Always. End of story.

HOWEVER

For day to day use, I think at least semi-modern is the way to go, at least around here in New England (or other regions with similar weather patterns) where the winters and the gratuitous use of salt in said winters dictate that everybody has to put their neat stuff away for five months a year. I know I like starting a fuel injected vehicle on a freezing cold day much better than I do a carbureted one. I feel like a big enough ass driving a squeaky clean 18 year-old Suburban year-round, never mind a car that is 40 or more years old. But I'd probably driving a 50's or 60's something year-round if I lived in a climate that allowed me to. Not showroom perfect so I would be afraid to leave it anywhere, but something clean and presentable.

In other words.....

Modern cars are absolutely necessary because people need something to sacrifice to the elements and mundane crap without feeling bad. 98% of them are devoid of all substance, style, personality, and will have zero long-term value. Perfect for the day-to-day bull&#036;h&#33;. Once again, what would you rather take out in the salt and slush or let get dinged and dented in the grocery store parking lot? A brand new plastic jellybean or a 50 year-old classic that looks like Buck Rogers's rocketship? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Regarding having modern music in old vehicles:

Gotta have it, but it has to be done right. People with big loud retarded stereos are idiots. And people who put them in old cars are double idiots. I can't tell you how much it burns my ass to see a beautifully restored car with a CD player hacked into the dash, cheap speakers hacked into the door panels, and a box with subs in the trunk. People that do that &#036;h&#33; should be stabbed in the neck. I know a guy that rebuilds the guts of antique car radios to have AM/FM, and even adds a jack in the back so you can plug in your iPod and enjoy all your modern tunes through the stock radio and high-quality modern speakers of the same size as the originals mounted in the stock locations. Why that method doesn't appeal to people I don't understand. It's the best of both worlds: modern music with the original appearance. You'd think it would be a no-brainer.

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Yup... I agree with 99% of that, although I will say

there was something very cool & refreshing about

my '62 Buick's lack of a choke... the car WOULD

not start when the block was ice cold unless you

somehow choked the hell out of that little carb. My

solution, since I drive off to work between 3:00 &

3:30 in the MORNING was to drill a few holes in a

soup can. I simply popped the hood using the

external release in the morning, spun the big nut

on the air-cleaener and removed it placing it on

or around the radiator support, then I plopped the

soup-can on the carb, pumped the gas pedal twice

& turned that little lumpy little fireball V6 over for

no more than 2-3 sec and the car would be good

to go, then, after I inhaled my pop-tarts or bagel,

I'd replace the air cleaner & drop the hood.

Some, er... MOST people would find that annoying

and would immediately instal a choke cable, but I

thought it was a fun reminder every morning that

I was driving a car that was manufactured during

the dawn of JFKs presidency!

Now THAT, my friends, is how you separatee the

MEN from the BOYS!

I'd gladdly put up with that little quirk to get that

car back, add that little Buick Special to the list of

cars I'd love to have back, it was quick as a bunny,

more fun to drive than some muscle cars I've had

the chance to sample & it got 15mpg 100% CITY!

How you going to beat that while still driving a car

assembled in 1961?

Oh, and the purchase price was $800!!!

<good times> :spin:

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Regarding the ongoing debate about old vs new:

Old cars > new cars. Always. End of story.

I would agree, but for 95% of my married life I've owned either an Astro/Safari van or an S-10 or both.

Having a reliable newer car that runs through anything and starts when it is ten below saves lots O) dinero to own a cool collector car.

I'm thinking VERY seriously about a third gen F-body, and if I get one it damn sure is NOT going to see an Ohio winter.

Chris

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'66 Stang:

Except for that very twisted and scary thought of me

as a Toypet-humper, I agree 100%.

If I could, (all that stops me is lack of $$$) I'd be

daily driving a 1950s 80-100% original car with one

speaker in the dashboard (remember REVERB?!)

and if and when I wanted to get some great 'tunes

on I'd install a hidden CD/AM/FM/HD/MP3-player &

decent 6-speaker+ subwoofer setup.

I had my '68 Camaro for almost 4 years & never

in that whole tiome was there a Radio installed in

the car, for the record the HVAC was deleted too

as it had been a genuine drag car for half its life.

I'd take that car, THAT way, restored, over any

new Ford including the GT(40)... well if I got a GT

I could sell it and buy a rough btu restorable '30s

Cadillac 452 V16 but that's 'nother story. :P

Radios are for cars who's engines are either near

silent or do not make any sound worth listening to,

interesting or otherwise.

I've owned 7 "collector" or "special interest" type cars...55 Chevrolet 2 door post, 57 Chevrolet Bel Air Hardtop (yeah, it lacked that "B" pillar thing) 1966 Ford Mustang Fastback (289, 4 speed) 1970 Chevelle, 1971 Chevelle, 1991 Miata, 2002 Miata.

With the 5 oldies...you couldn't hear the radio over the thumping V-8 even if you turned it all the way up.

With the two newer ones, you can't hear the radio at 75 M.P.H. with the top down...

So who cares.

We need to start a thrtead about cars from the teens, twenties and thirties...just wayyy to much cool stuff we've forgotten about.

...and yes, I know you'd never be a Toyopet humper.

However, I've got to give it to reg. and his fine feathered Ford. I remember many a pleasant weekend tailgating football games with my parents Country Squire wagons. It will be really cool to have reg carry on that tradition in his new ride.

Congrats again reg, I can't own everything, and in my own way I am jealous.

Chris

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Old cars are cool, no doubt. But in <reality>, whether it is the heat of summer or the dread of winter, or the dark of knight, I like having something that I know pretty much 100% is going to start and get me where I'm going and back without breaking down. And driving something current, made in this decade, I don't care if it gets totalled--the insurance will buy me another one. I love the creature comforts of a modern car---the heated seats, good cupholders, cold A/C, factory integrated sound system (no aftermarket hacked in crap), etc. Old cars are fun toys for the occasional drive or to take to a car show, but I wouldn't want to be depending on one to get me to work, to the airport, to the grocery, etc.

My GC is starting to be an old car now (8 years old, almost 100k miles, but it has never let me down, I keep up w/ the maintenance religiously), so I need to figure out what my next new car is going to be...

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