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Driving Away Excitement...G8 dead in 5 years

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One less reason to root for GM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=134167

DETROIT — After acknowledging that there will be no replacement for the Solstice roadster, Pontiac looks like it will lose a little more excitement when the rear-wheel-drive G8 sedan goes out of production in about five years' time.

According to sources, Pontiac will not get a version of the next rear-drive platform that underpins the Australian Holden Commodore. This move is indicative of a fundamental switch in direction for Pontiac, the General Motors division that just a few years ago was envisioned by Bob Lutz to be the American BMW. The deaths of the Solstice and the eventual discontinuation of the next-generation G8 will leave Pontiac with zero rear-wheel-drive vehicles.

Pontiac already sells the G5, a Chevrolet Cobalt with the ol' excitement treatment and soon will begin selling a version of the subcompact Chevrolet Aveo called the G3. Not exactly sporting propositions, those.

Limited corporate resources and fear of rising fuel-economy standards look to be the prime drivers in the return of Pontiac to the badge-engineering days. Those limited funds might also explain why the midsize G6 sedan won't be substantially updated (to match the level of refinement of the recently revamped Chevy Malibu) for about another five years.

Inside Line says: You've still got plenty of time to pick up your very own G8 — the high-horsepower GXP and the quasi-pickup-truck ST versions are still to be introduced. But you don't have forever.

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Exactly how much did it cost to rebadge the Commodre as a G8 vs rebadging the Aveo as a G3, or the Cobalt as a G5, or the Equinox as a Torrent? And again, compare the MPGs of a 6cyl Malibu to a 6cyl G8 and the whole "FWD is better for fuel economy" argument goes away.

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Z, I hope you're right and Edmunds is (again) wrong. A new G8 is still on my shortlist for a new car in a few years.

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Waaay to soon to make such a determination - at least one that uses anything resembling logic.

Only a political decision could be so dense.

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Well, they killed off the Zeta more than once during this interval...

But then again, now's the time to develop the next version of the platform.

And I wouldn't be surprised if this Chrysler thing went through, and the headline changed to "Pontiac dead in 5 years"... Not that I think the 300's platform is any better than the Zeta - and hopefully GM's not thinking the same thing.

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Well, they killed off the Zeta more than once during this interval...

But then again, now's the time to develop the next version of the platform.

And I wouldn't be surprised if this Chrysler thing went through, and the headline changed to "Pontiac dead in 5 years"... Not that I think the 300's platform is any better than the Zeta - and hopefully GM's not thinking the same thing.

If LY doesn't come out and they have to soldier on with LX, bye-bye 6A transmissions. Chrysler doesn't have a 6A transmission for longitudinal duty anywhere in their company, probably because it won't fit the platforms. So GM's 6A RWD trannies probably won't fit either.

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Not a surprise at all... Avis is content with FWD models, so that's what GM will give 'em...

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Waaay to soon to make such a determination - at least one that uses anything resembling logic.

Only a political decision could be so dense.

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5 years is a long time and A LOT of financial time. Hell, for all we know, GM could be gone in 5 years.

*IF* this decision has been made, it's purely political and I can't believe some people (ahem, Bob) inside GM would allow such idiots to have so much control over the company.

I'm sure this is negative PR spin from the OTHER side of GM's mouth to try and put a damper on GXP sales.

There are other options as well. (as opposed to developing a new version of Zeta) They could put it on Alpha or use LY if they acquire Chrysler, or just update this Zeta (a la Sigma II)

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5 years is a long time and A LOT of financial time. Hell, for all we know, GM could be gone in 5 years.

*IF* this decision has been made, it's purely political and I can't believe some people (ahem, Bob) inside GM would allow such idiots to have so much control over the company.

I'm sure this is negative PR spin from the OTHER side of GM's mouth to try and put a damper on GXP sales.

There are other options as well. (as opposed to developing a new version of Zeta) They could put it on Alpha or use LY if they acquire Chrysler, or just update this Zeta (a la Sigma II)

I assume it's part of the Pontiac phase out... concentrate on fleetable FWD generics, and slowly wind down the brand.

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Well, first off....

I can't imagine that Pontiac will still be selling the G8 by 2014. That is, if Pontiac or even GM still exist by then.

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To clarify my position a bit, I'm OK with this G8 dying in five years, as that's a perfectly acceptable model cycle. The point of contention is whether Pontiac will be allowed to have a suitable replacement.

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I assume it's part of the Pontiac phase out... concentrate on fleetable FWD generics, and slowly wind down the brand.

I totally agree. It's a pretty easy formula. Give Pontiac rebadged Chevys and fleet the Pontiac's instead of the Chevys (or at least moreso)... as a result the Pontiacs, which will likely have a higher MSRP to begin with, will have by far worse resale value than the Chevy counterpart.

Advantage Chevy on price and resale value makes there be less reason to buy the Pontiac. Add in the Chevy versions getting by far more advertising, as we're already seeing (little to no advertising for Pontiac) and Pontiac shows up even less on the radar. Eventually (7-10 years down the road probably) no dealer's are going to see any reason to stock Pontiacs because no one will be buying them and it won't be profitable, and the dealer's will close themselves down, at least the Pontiac part. GM then doesn't have to deal with many dealers when it gets rid of Pontiac.

In summary, first Pontiac gets fleeted to reduce resale value, which combined with higher prices, makes there be no reason to buy a Pontiac vs. the almost identical Chevy which has higher resale and lower initial price. Next, we see no advertising for Pontiac, as if it doesn't exist. The public no longer recognizes Pontiac as a brand that offers anything for them, as they are turned off by higher-than-Chevy prices and lower resale, and in addition to that, see no advertising for the brand. Pontiac is no longer a consideration for them when it comes to buying a car. Finally, dealers can't profitably sell Pontiac cars anymore, so they drop the brand. Once a good portion of them close, GM can close Pontiac and won't have many repercussions from dealers.

The dealers essentially put this on themselves when they whined and cried for the G5. GM must have been thinking "hmm, if they are happy with rebadged Chevys, why should we waste our money giving them anything else?"

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Didn't the 1st version of the miata shamble on for like 12 years (then get a 'Chinese-knock-off' redo to boot)? Cannot the Solstice do likewise? If there is no money for a replacement, continue the current car with a minor refresh.

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Didn't the 1st version of the miata shamble on for like 12 years (then get a 'Chinese-knock-off' redo to boot)? Cannot the Solstice do likewise? If there is no money for a replacement, continue the current car with a minor refresh.

They are somehow losing $12,000 per kappa?

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Honestly I think it is too early too tell. I do hope Pontiac will be more than just slight rebadges now if they share a platform I could care less. Also the G8 was very cheap to do so I doubt from a cost standpoint they could do it.

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Honestly I think it is too early too tell. I do hope Pontiac will be more than just slight rebadges now if they share a platform I could care less. Also the G8 was very cheap to do so I doubt from a cost standpoint they could do it.

Well, 4/7th of their models are slight rebadges currently, so the trend is definitely there...

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Predicting what will happen at GM in 5 years is a lot more difficult than predicting what

will happen in the year 2250 based on a Mayan calendar/hieroglyphics. I hope to God

this is absolutely false, but either way no one outside GM has any real idea where GM

and Pontiac will be in 2013.

These articles about the automotive industry are starting to sound more-n-more like

those over-the-top political ads:

"Candidate X is a role model, he was endorsed by Nelson Mandella, Mother Theresa,

1300 Jewish Rabbis living in NYC, the entire Denver Broncos & he even has a birthmark

in the shape of Jesus on his chest, he wants to give you a tax break, free healthcare &

will raise taxes for people who like to kick puppies and spit on the flag. Everyone else

will pay less taxes, and you'll even get a Pony on your birthday.

BUT

Candidate Z will take away your social security, ship your job to North Korea & give your

employer a tax break for doing so.... he once was quoted as saying that the only thing he

likes better than war mongering is pushing his grandmother down the stairs! He is wrong

for our country and he is wrong for you!

Vote Candidate X, (I'm candidate X and I approve this message!) "

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I would have thought the G8 would be gone by 2011 because of CAFE. I am planning on buying my next car by 2014, so it would be in time to get a G8, if this article is true and GM survives.

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None of us here should be suprised if this does come about.

We all know the Zeta has a limited time even with the Camaro on the market.

Also the Kappa has just not been profitable as well as they had hoped. If times were better they may work more with Kappa but the money needs to go to projects that will save GM and not just halo Pontiac.

What worries me is the lack of any future anounced or rumored product that is fitting of the Pontiac name other than the G8 ST coming.

If they do not do at the least an Alpha a couple more exciting non rebaged Chevy cars they may as well shut them down. If the G6 ends up being the best they offer is it really worth damaging the name to the point so you could not pull it out and use it again at a later date.

One look at the Autoweek new car guide I got last week said it all on Pontiac THe G8 and Solstive were great, the G6 was good but not outstanding and the G3-5, Vibe and Torrent really should not even be Pontiacs.

I still stand to call for GM to park Pontiac till they can better use the name at a later time. Right now the Pontiac name is becoming what Packard became in the 50's. There is a risk it may never return but is the worse than a Aveo G3 Pontiac?

I do not say any of this to provoke anyone but they are just my own personel feelings. I hope I am wrong but right now GM has not shown me any reason not to change my feelings. At the way things are going we will be lucky if there even a Chevy to even rebadge.

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This brand is dead come 2013. Solstice and G8 have no replacement, G6 is living on til 2012 or so with no update, G5, G3, Vibe are lame rebadges. There is no point it keeping this brand anymore, give up and spend the money on Chevy.

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Predicting what will happen at GM in 5 years is a lot more difficult than predicting what

will happen in the year 2250 based on a Mayan calendar/hieroglyphics. I hope to God

this is absolutely false, but either way no one outside GM has any real idea where GM

and Pontiac will be in 2013....

Actually, the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012...

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