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Motor Trend Muscle Car Shootout

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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes...g_gt/index.html

Finish Lines

Going into this test, and knowing the basic stats, we had an inkling how it might turn out. (All three cars, by the way, eke out impressive and nearly identical fuel-economy results -- though the Mustang's lack of a six-speed means it finishes last on EPA.) Never did we guess, though, how close the overall finish would turn out to be.

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In third place, the Dodge Challenger R/T. Third of three, but hardly last. As MacKenzie well sums up: "Hugely endearing personality. Even though the Challenger starts to fall apart dynamically above 7/10ths you can't help but like the big guy. It's sorta like a Heritage Soft-Tail Harley; a carefully crafted and easy to own reminder of a simpler, sunnier America." Astutely executed, fast, and sit-back comfortable, the Challenger is the pony you'd ride for a 50-state tour. On the downside, the orange bruiser simply can't carve with the precision of its rivals, and though it starts with a mid-pack base sticker ($30,945), adding the good stuff (six-speed manual, 3.92 rear axle, limited-slip diff, 20-in. wheels and tires, etc.) pushed the price of our tester to a trio-topping $38,270.

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Finishing in second place . . . the Ford Mustang GT. Mind you, this was a photo-finish. The Mustang with Track Pack blew us all away with its sublime steering, incredible front-end grip, stylish cockpit, and beauteous V-8. As Loh notes, "That's what most impressed me: Ford's two competitors had the advantage of sampling 45 years of Mustang DNA, yet they still couldn't pull out a runaway win." The Mustang scores well on value, too: base price for the GT is $28,845, and with Premium package, Track Pack, security package, and the comfort group, our test car totaled $34,330. The Ford might even have scored an upset, except it cannot match the Camaro's unfailing poise, its breathtaking power, or its styling drama. Those quality issues sure didn't help, either.

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And so . . . our winner, the Prime Pony of the 21st Century is . . . the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS. Considering all the ways GM could easily have got this car wrong, it's nothing short of a triumph how unquestionably the company got it right. The Camaro might trail the Mustang in handling sharpness, and there's no doubt it finishes last for cabin and trunk volume, but, well, you don't pick your pony for the size of its saddlebags. Graced with massive power, excellent efficiency, unfailing refinement, and show-stopping looks, the Camaro SS nails every essential for its segment. What's more, it's priced to steal. Base sticker for the 1SS manual: just $30,995. With the Boston Acoustics audio package, our cloth-seat tester climbed only to $31,490. Go nuts with the options pencil -- adding leather, power sunroof, ground effects, six-speed auto, and more stuff you really don't need -- and you can nudge the SS just over $40K.

So there you have it: Chevrolet claims the ponycar title, circa 2009. Now, go to it, Hatfields, McCoys, and HatCoys. We've been waiting 35 years to witness once again perhaps the all-time greatest feud in Autoland. Where's my cigar? Ah, there's the opening bell!

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Love the style, interior and exterior of the Camero and Challenger, but the Mustang is just Blah, nothing special. So far every Mustang I have looked at have not impressed me, especially all the rusty parts. I was at a dealership, Totem Lake Ford of Kirkland, WA and they had a Green Bullit on the show room floor along with a Saleen and a GTO and what I noticed was all three had rusty brake systems, looking under the hood, there was rusty parts on the engines. The tail pipes on one of them was rusty and I could go on and on about the poor quality.

The sales person came up to me and asked me if I would like to test drive the only Real American Muscle car left in America that was the best in Quality that no Asian or European builder could match.

We'll I could not disappoint the man, so I pointed out while others were looking at the cars also all the flaws I could see, less I say I never did get to test drive it, but was not really wanting to anyway.

For those that would say why were you there? I was there doing a good dead for my 78 year old neighbor who wanted his oil changed on his expedition he owns. So I drove it down and got it done and while I was waiting took a look in the showroom and came away very dissappointed in Ford.

Those that think their cars are getting better need to take off the sun shades as it was pathetic to see the exact cheap ass plastic vents in the escort, taurus, mustang, trucks, etc. It seems that every model uses the same vents, same radios, etc. People Bitch about GM doing cloning and yet you get the same plastic garbage in the econo box vehicle as you do in their top of the line 65K Ranch Ford Pickup truck or Expedition XL SUV.

Why should a high 5 figure vehicle have the same cheap ass plastic dash components as a 15K car? In my book Ford is NOT getting it done with their cars, crossovers, SUV and trucks.

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It is interresting how the Mustang was so close in the scoring to the camaro. I think that the mustang has matured very well with the new redisign. It is not a faster car then the camaro but it lays down its power with more efficency and it's light weight helps make up for 75 out of the 100 or so horsepower difference. the fact that the stang is 4.9 to 60 and 13.5 through the quarter when the comaro is 4.6 and 13.0 is really amazing. Add to that the act that they are so close to eachother in braking and handling test and I would say that the camaro, while a world class car and clearly better then the mustang, is only marginally better, which is a credit to the mustang's performance and not a jab against the camaro. When the mustang gets the 400hp 5.0 dohc and 6 speed transmissions next year this will have to be revaluated, the finishing order may have to change,

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It is interresting how the Mustang was so close in the scoring to the camaro. I think that the mustang has matured very well with the new redisign. It is not a faster car then the camaro but it lays down its power with more efficency and it's light weight helps make up for 75 out of the 100 or so horsepower difference. the fact that the stang is 4.9 to 60 and 13.5 through the quarter when the comaro is 4.6 and 13.0 is really amazing. Add to that the act that they are so close to eachother in braking and handling test and I would say that the camaro, while a world class car and clearly better then the mustang, is only marginally better, which is a credit to the mustang's performance and not a jab against the camaro. When the mustang gets the 400hp 5.0 dohc and 6 speed transmissions next year this will have to be revaluated, the finishing order may have to change,

The Mustang is 300 pounds lighter, yet it gets the same fuel economy. Part of the reason, I believe, is the shorter axle ratio, which helps it get the 13.5s 1/4 mile. I'll be surprised -- amazed even -- if the Mustang doesn't pick up 50 pounds with the 5.0. It'll probably get a taller axle ratio to help fuel economy. My guess is that it will be very close to the Camaro in acceleration.

I agree, next year's comparison will be interesting too.

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Love the style, interior and exterior of the Camero and Challenger, but the Mustang is just Blah, nothing special. So far every Mustang I have looked at have not impressed me, especially all the rusty parts. I was at a dealership, Totem Lake Ford of Kirkland, WA and they had a Green Bullit on the show room floor along with a Saleen and a GTO and what I noticed was all three had rusty brake systems, looking under the hood, there was rusty parts on the engines. The tail pipes on one of them was rusty and I could go on and on about the poor quality.

The sales person came up to me and asked me if I would like to test drive the only Real American Muscle car left in America that was the best in Quality that no Asian or European builder could match.

We'll I could not disappoint the man, so I pointed out while others were looking at the cars also all the flaws I could see, less I say I never did get to test drive it, but was not really wanting to anyway.

For those that would say why were you there? I was there doing a good dead for my 78 year old neighbor who wanted his oil changed on his expedition he owns. So I drove it down and got it done and while I was waiting took a look in the showroom and came away very dissappointed in Ford.

Those that think their cars are getting better need to take off the sun shades as it was pathetic to see the exact cheap ass plastic vents in the escort, taurus, mustang, trucks, etc. It seems that every model uses the same vents, same radios, etc. People Bitch about GM doing cloning and yet you get the same plastic garbage in the econo box vehicle as you do in their top of the line 65K Ranch Ford Pickup truck or Expedition XL SUV.

Why should a high 5 figure vehicle have the same cheap ass plastic dash components as a 15K car? In my book Ford is NOT getting it done with their cars, crossovers, SUV and trucks.

I think a lot of people would disagree. Ford seems to be making the right moves while the General lags behind. If you don't like plastic I would not look into the new Camaro. Yes Camaro with an A . See ya learned something

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Am I missing something?

The Camaro is listed at 6146cc and 426hp.

Why did they not test it against the SRT8 Challenger, which is 425hp and 6.1 liters..

??

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Am I missing something?

The Camaro is listed at 6146cc and 426hp.

Why did they not test it against the SRT8 Challenger, which is 425hp and 6.1 liters..

??

Most likely due to pricing.

And the fact that a Z/28 is still a possibility.

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If the SS does 60 in 4.7 for the stick, a Z/28 would do about 4 seconds flat and MURDER anything in it's class.

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Most likely due to pricing.

And the fact that a Z/28 is still a possibility.

I thought the SRT8 Challenger had an MSRP of less than 40K even with the guzzler tax. That's pretty close to what that R/T came out at after the almost 10 grand of options... it said $30K msrp and 38K+ as tested?

It would have been a better race, 425hp, bigger brakes, better suspension, better interior etc...?

Reminds me of the Chrysler 300 SRT8/Cadillac CTS-V/GTO comparison. Why include a 2 door GTO with two four door performance sedans?

I just don't get it... lol

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We are just lucky to find two RWD performance cars to compare these days.

I love all three of these on their own merits, so I don't have a horse in this race.

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Camaro is growing on me slowly, the Mustang is a huge improvement over the -05-09's....but still the Challenger is the one I would get if I had the cash. Granted it has the most dull/plain jane interior of the 3, but the exterior more than makes up for it. Plus I just love the quad headlights and full width taillights.

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Camaro is growing on me slowly, the Mustang is a huge improvement over the -05-09's....but still the Challenger is the one I would get if I had the cash. Granted it has the most dull/plain jane interior of the 3, but the exterior more than makes up for it. Plus I just love the quad headlights and full width taillights.

I like the Dodge, but I'd take the Camaro anyday over the Mustang or Challenger.

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as a mid 20k sports coupe, the camaro's interior quality is not just acceptable but worthy, and the rest of the car is so desirable there's no need to compromise, the car asks for none. as a mid 30k sports car, the Camaro has some room to grow into a true 3-series demolisher [in present form it's well on its way, and perhaps most of the 3-series line is already crushed, if not for that endlessly attractive face], but the interior quality is marginal at best.....the being said, the key is design. i like how edmunds put it, the exterior is so perfect in its aggression and retro-futurism, and the interior is like you've gone to another century too, and not in a bad way. people griping over camaro's interior quality need to get with it, this is an exciting car to own.

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everytime i check back into one of these reviews, it amazes me how right General Motors got the powertrains. they are perfect, not a flaw there, far from it, these are the mountain for all other affordable sports coupes to climb in terms of affordably refined powertrain. that being said, for me the definition of the camaro should and could have been tweaked lightly to meet the demands of today's consumer, demands that perhaps were more optomistically just a glimmer in 2006 when this car was being developed. GM slightly missed an opportunity. even so, this camaro is fantastic in every way, and its presence alone will be a huge factor in buying decisions. i love everything they've done with the packaging to make it more appealing. wheels, RS, halos, even steelies all together define what amounts to GM's most perfectly imaged and marketed vehicle so far in the last decade. they need to go further now and start working on special editions, and two tones, aggressive packages, and the like. the camaro still will be the 100k dynamo GM wishes for. perhaps as far as 130k units, but that is being very very optomistic in this environment. maybe next year?...

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Ford is still using a 5-speed manual? Does any other car with a stick still use a 5-speed?

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Ford is still using a 5-speed manual? Does any other car with a stick still use a 5-speed?

I've wondered about that too, but it seems to work for them.

I'd have to drive it myself to know what I think compared to the 6-speeds I'm used to.

Then again, sometimes I mis the straightforward nature of an old 4-speed.

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Ford is still using a 5-speed manual? Does any other car with a stick still use a 5-speed?

Solstice and Sky have a 5-speed, both normal and GXP/RL versions. The Miata has a 5-speed as well. The Cobalt has a 5-speed as well, I'm sure there's plenty more in the compact car segment(s).

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I thought the SRT8 Challenger had an MSRP of less than 40K even with the guzzler tax. That's pretty close to what that R/T came out at after the almost 10 grand of options... it said $30K msrp and 38K+ as tested?

It would have been a better race, 425hp, bigger brakes, better suspension, better interior etc...?

Reminds me of the Chrysler 300 SRT8/Cadillac CTS-V/GTO comparison. Why include a 2 door GTO with two four door performance sedans?

I just don't get it... lol

well i think along with price, there is added weight to the SRT8. according to edmonds the srt8 tips the scales 100lbs heavier.

srt8

rt

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Good review...I'd like to see a comparo between the '10 Shelby GT500, Challenger SRT8, and Camaro SS (since the Z-28 is mythical at this point).

As far as these 3, I'm going to have to check out all three...they all have qualities that appeal to me..it would be tough for me to pick one.

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Good review...I'd like to see a comparo between the '10 Shelby GT500, Challenger SRT8, and Camaro SS (since the Z-28 is mythical at this point).

As far as these 3, I'm going to have to check out all three...they all have qualities that appeal to me..it would be tough for me to pick one.

The Z/28 isn't mythical.

The car is ready, GM just didn't pull the trigger - yet.

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Good review...I'd like to see a comparo between the '10 Shelby GT500, Challenger SRT8, and Camaro SS (since the Z-28 is mythical at this point).

As far as these 3, I'm going to have to check out all three...they all have qualities that appeal to me..it would be tough for me to pick one.

The car is known to have drive train as the CTS-V, seen doing rounds at the 'Ring and it is one of the worst kept GM secret. What GM does not know is when to pull the trigger.

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