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DETROIT - For General Motors Vice Chairman Robert Lutz, the Chevrolet Camaro concept car tops the list of possible vehicles in the automaker's lineup of mid-priced to premium-priced, rear-drive cars for North America.

GM will select vehicles for the program within six months. Production will begin in 2008 or 2009

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The Buick, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Saturn brands are under consideration for rear-drive models.

Umm, Saturn? Please make sure Buick, Pontiac and Chevy each have at least one RWD car before Saturn gets a green light for one.

The list from suppliers doesn't have any Saturn's though, so maybe they are giving the others their fair share of cars before Saturn:

Buick Velite convertible

Buick flagship sedan

Pontiac Grand Prix

Redesigned Pontiac GTO

Chevrolet Camaro

Chevrolet Impala

That looks very similar to the old Zeta list.

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Hmmm.....suppose, for the sake of argument, that to spread the costs out, GM does go out on a limb and do 4 RWD sedans off this new platform---a Chevy Impala, Pontiac Grand Prix, Saturn something, and a Buick something...yeah, it's a stretch, but theoretically possible.

A large Saturn sedan could be called the Aurora, it fits well with Aura and the space theme of the Saturn name, and would be a link back to Olds which occupied the same place in the hierarchy that Saturn is moving to, or so it seems...

Of course, this is all random blather, sunny day daydreaming....given GM's current condition, I wouldn't be surprised if none of these or other possible RWD models (Camaro, GTO, Velite) appear...it could be in five years that GM (at least as far as C/P/S/B are concerned) is still churning out mostly FWD G-bodies, W-bodies, Epsilons, and Deltas...

Edited by moltar

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Screw Saturn... I could care less what they get. Give us Buick, Chevy & Pontiac guys what the Cadillac guiys have been feasting on as of late wiht the STS & CTS but at a lower price.

A RWD coupe, sedan, wagon & ragtop for each division except for Saturn. Let them just be what the Buick Opels were in the 60s.

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Screw Saturn... I could care less what they get. Give us Buick, Chevy & Pontiac guys what the Cadillac guiys have been feasting on as of late wiht the STS & CTS but at a lower price.

A RWD coupe, sedan, wagon & ragtop for each division except for Saturn. Let them just be what the Buick Opels were in the 60s.

Not going to happen. Good daydream, though.

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Hey, isn't this platform capable of AWD, also?

it better be or the general will be stuck with all sort of dead inventory on the lots in the salt belt from november to april

you should see all the magnums and chargers rotting on the dodge lots around here right about now

Edited by regfootball

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Well I say screw giving Pontiac a Firebird (as many people would like).

Give Pontiac a turbocharged AWD V6 model in the EVO price range with a great suspension. Give us a new GTO on this platform, too. Along with the G8, or whatever it'll be called.

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Hey, isn't this platform capable of AWD, also?

GM vehicles on the global rwd architecture will have long wheel-bases and short overhangs. All-wheel drive will be available. The Camaro and Velite, a convertible concept introduced at the 2004 New York auto show, demonstrate the possibilities for the architecture.

Holden Chose a Very Elaborate, and Expensive AWD system for thier cars.

http://autoweb.drive.com.au/cms/A_55630/newsarticle.html

I think its to much so for Zeta.

Edited by Ghost Dog

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This Is Interesting

GM's styling studio has prepared both rear- and front-drive versions of the next Impala, according to an industry source who did not want to be identified.

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The Saturn would make sense if Opel gets a RWD car that fills the Omega's place. The others seem fine with me.

And speaking of RWD: couldn't Cadillac just try and take a look at shortening a RWD architecture for the 2nd-gen BLS?

EDIT: just read the Opel bit at the end...

Edited by ZL-1

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The Saturn would make sense if Opel gets a RWD car that fills the Omega's place. The others seem fine with me.

And speaking of RWD: couldn't Cadillac just try and take a look at shortening a RWD architecture for the 2nd-gen BLS?

EDIT: just read the Opel bit at the end...

I really liked the 2003 Insignia concept in Frankfurt. GM should have done all they needed to do to hang onto Martin Smith. That said, - and despite the Saturn / Opel coordination in the future - it's very very hard to imagine Saturn getting a version of this car.

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i wonder where these vehicles would be assembled.. by the looks of it Oshwa ontario is probably going to be the location of assembly.. the next generation Buick Lacrosse will move to the epsilion platform and will be built in lake orion michigan alongside the pontiac G6. after this happens it will be the end of the W platform. as the Impala, and Grand Prix shift to the RWD Zeta platform.. the future of the monte carlo seems to be up in the air, it will be a rebodied next generation GTO, or like the Lacrosse it could shift to the epsilion platform, having both the camaro and monte carlo both RWD probably wont happen, they would compete too much with each other.. its looking like "Zeta" will consist of:

a Buick sedan, it will be positioned between the lacrosse and lucerne, the lacrosse will get smaller as it shifts to the epsilion platform..

the Camaro,

the next generation Pontiac GTO.

the grand prix sedan

Impala sedan

and a Saturn sedan/wagon which will be that brands flagship car and will be slotted above the Aura..

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Is it just me or isn't 09 too late?

didn't solstice hit in 18 months?

And why not retool the Craft Center in lansing?

?????????????????????????????? :huh:

Edited by prototype66

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Looking at it From a Volume Point Of View.

You Could do three in a 2 Shift 250k plant

Buick flagship sedan 50K-75K

Pontiac Grand Prix 125k

Redesigned Pontiac GTO 50k

And 1 in a single shift plant

Chevrolet Camaro 125k

Buick Velite convertible ( To low volume and to expensive)

Impala- I just Can't see 200k+ Volume on The RWD platform. I think Its Much better served on FWD platform, with a Rear Biased AWD option.

It would Also serve Better to Focus the RWD sales on the Grand Prix. Rather then Splitting it between Grand Prix and Impala.

Although If GTO is a Distinctively Bigger then Camaro, Quad Coupe. I could see a Monte Carlo on that platform.

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Great news for GM! I wonder how much time they lost with these off and on delays? Now while I am happy for teh GM Siblings, I'll enter the minority here and ask....

What about Saab? Give me a Sonnett General! Give me a direct threat to the CLK and 6 series!

Well, this is only possible only if they don't sell them first.

SN

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How can they re-tool a plant that is slated to close in 2 months? GM is pretty much set on all the plants that are listed for closure.

The Oshwa theory for where the Zetas will be built sounds the most realistic. And thank goodness the Pontiac isn't called "G8'!

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I really don't think that Saturn needs a rwd car to be based of the Camaro/GTO platform, however, Buick does, badly need one. I say make the Buick VeLite (Although personally, i'd prefer it called a Regal, or GNX). And give Pontiac the redesigned GTO, and a four door counterpart, called the Grand Prix. Give Chevrolet the Camaro and a four door counterpart, called the Chevelle, or even the Impala (I like both names too much to make a hard decision on that right now). Now I konw that I'm not an insider, and I know that the Sky is a rear wheel drive coupe, and personally I believe that is all they should have. The rest should be Import fighters and front wheel drive, but of course I'm not a bean counter up there in the corporate office making these decisions.

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I wish they would just make up their mind about this program. It's on, then it's cancelled, then it's still on in Australia but not for N.A, then a Camaro concept debuts, and it's on again, but they can't decide what they want to build with it. They need to do for this what they've done for the GMT's: Throw all available resources at it, make them undisputable class leaders, and get them in production ASAP. It's all or nothing, GM.

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This Is Interesting

GM's styling studio has prepared both rear- and front-drive versions of the next Impala, according to an industry source who did not want to be identified.

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Yeah, and the styling is based around the '63 model, I believe.

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