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sciguy_0504    0

Great, another retro car, this time being the Impala. Will this RWD architecture be passed around to every division, too?

My biggest hope is that the architecture is flexible. Small, mid and large sized cars need to be able to come off of it, at least mid and large. No Saturn, Saab or GMC, 2 Buicks max, 2-3 Chevys max, all Pontiac.

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Flybrian    0

Whatever happened to 18-months from concept to production?

This is only really possible if the car has been well under development by the concept's debut.

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hyperv6    774

I would not put too much stock into to Edmunds time line yet. I have heard bettter news than this in the past 7 days from a trusted scource. I could not be told much yet but it was made clear delays were not a problem at least yet.

It is true there is some minor reworking of the car and it is positive evidence they have been listening to the people in there likes and dislikes from what they are working on. So they are reading and listening. They know we want this car as soon as possible so that is one item you can save your breath on.

I think we need to learn something here, before we find out the truth most times a lot of misinformation or misdirection appears in the press.

Untill a Known someone speaks for GM don't get too excited or upset yet. After all of the wrong or misleading info of the last year most of us should know better by now.

As for the Impala and the rest I have not heard anything. That looks promising if it could be trusted.

The bottom line is no one wants this car than GM right now so they will get it here as soon as they are able.

Keep in mind you saw the new 07 Tahoe in late 05 and able to buy it in early 06. MY means little right now at GM.

So let just wait and see what GM shows or info it lets out in the near future before we jump to any conclutions.

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-Camaro-    0

If this is true, they might aswell not build it. It will be a flop. Too late and should be around the redesign for the mustang. No one will want a 5 year old car, it'll be boring by then. If a Camaro comes out in 2010, they might aswell scrap the design and work on something new. They've really screwed up releasing a concept in 2006 and releasing it near 2011. They should have waited to unveil it or something... But that's if it's true, I don't really believe this.

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KillFort    0

I'm looking at buying one in 2 years.

My dad said he wants one next year when his lease is up on his Impala.

GM should have had this far enough in the pipeline to do what DCX is doing with the Challenger.

Too slow, regardless of whether the Edmunds date is right or the original slated 2009 date. I'm hoping all these dates are wrong and it'll be here sooner than expected.

There is another poster on caranddriver named Yo who constantly adds the reply to any domestic related thread "Go Team! Wait till next year! Wait till next year!" as a taunt. I used to think he was annoying but it makes sense often when it comes to GM.

I guess I'll reserve any judgement until further notice.

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Variance    0

If this is true, they might aswell not build it. It will be a flop. Too late and should be around the redesign for the mustang. No one will want a 5 year old car, it'll be boring by then. If a Camaro comes out in 2010, they might aswell scrap the design and work on something new. They've really screwed up releasing a concept in 2006 and releasing it near 2011. They should have waited to unveil it or something... But that's if it's true, I don't really believe this.

Too slow, regardless of whether the Edmunds date is right or the original slated 2009 date.  I'm hoping all these dates are wrong and it'll be here sooner than expected.

Just so you guys know: 2010MY = as early as 2009 calendar year.

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There is another poster on caranddriver named Yo who constantly adds the reply to any domestic related thread "Go Team!  Wait till next year!  Wait till next year!" as a taunt.  I used to think he was annoying but it makes sense often when it comes to GM.

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I'd stay away from Car & Driver forums. There are plenty of dickheads there.

As for the article... Well, I'll just believe what I want to believe (I think it's coming in 2008, to be honest), stick my hands in my pockets and walk away. To be honest, I'm turning a deaf ear to a good part of the auto press. This article is just more of an artificial haze the press places around GM; I mean, how many "It's coming at a date you don't wanna hear!" stories have they slapped down on the table? They're really hurting the mission to obtain the truth than they are delivering it.

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evok    0

Untill a Known someone speaks for GM don't get too excited or upset yet. After all of the wrong or misleading info of the last year most of us should know better by now.

I am not validating Edmunds claims, but the news I am hearing out of the Tubes indicate it might be very accurate.

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evok    0

i am going to buy it when ever it comes out i think it will be here sooner

I would not count on it, there are bigger priorities at the Tubes and it may not be rwd/Camaro.

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evok    0

You mean like getting the rest of the GMT900s out along with the endless parade of cross-overs?

And loosing app 9.0 billion last year, DPH, etc.

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ehaase    18

I am not surprised at all, considering GM's financial situation and the new programs (GMT900, Lambda, Sigma II, Epsilon II, Theta/Epsilon) it is already planning and needs to fund for the rest of this decade. And any more problems in the Middle East and $100/barrel oil could doom RWD, V8 cars completely.

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Northstar    11

I think it's still possible for it to be here before 2009 CY as a 2009 MY vehicle. Like 4Q 2008. I think the money will be flowing again once the GMT900s get out, and everything will get pushed forward a small amount, including the Camaro and RWD.

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99camaroSS    0

this all just a bunch of crapola, just like the they tried to tell us the chevy baretta was the new camaro in the late 80's or all that crap they were putting out about the corvette in the mid 90's. GM knows better than to push this car back to 2010. i hate friggin rumors!!!!!!!!!!! just give us the facts already you secretive sons of :censored:

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evok    0

this all just a bunch of crapola, just like the they tried to tell us the chevy baretta was the new camaro in the late 80's or all that crap they were putting out about the corvette in the mid 90's. GM knows better than to push this car back to 2010. i hate friggin rumors!!!!!!!!!!! just give us the facts already you secretive sons of  :censored:

Truth hurts.

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mystik    0

Well regardless of what's been said, GM should know better than to wait that long. I don't want this car rushed any more than anyone else does, but 3 years is an awful long time for people to wait for a car they want to go out and buy now. Example. I need a car soon, within the next year or two. So I was set on an Avalanche. Then I saw the Camaro, and started rethinking. So then it was Camaro or Avalanche? But if this car is coming out until 2009, I simply cant wait that long. Which is the case for a lot of people. They want this car now. GM needs this car now. Especially at the peak of the fuel price wars and what not, having a 400 HP car that can advertise 30 MPG is insane. I just dont think the sheer number of people who want this car NOW can get any bigger...it can only get smaller. I'd still want it when it came out, but then I'd already have a car that I'd still be paying off. Which is I'm sure the case for a lot of people...but then again the way GM has been doing things lately, maybe it will come out earlier. 2008 MY is a pipe dream I guess...

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evok    0

Well regardless of what's been said, GM should know better than to wait that long. I don't want this car rushed any more than anyone else does, but 3 years is an awful long time for people to wait for a car they want to go out and buy now.

I think people need to seriously get over themselves.

The vehicle shown at Detroit was a CONCEPT car and only a CONCEPT car. GM never stated that this concept car was indicative of a production vehicle in the pipeline. GM never said that the vehicle was destined for production. GM never said when the vehicle would hit showrooms. Welburn's statements only indicated that GM might be able to expedite the program if the vehicle was give approval. GM never mentioned that the vehicle would be in showrooms in 18, 24, or 36 months.

People got caught up in the propaganda and false timing by those that do not understand how long the vehicle gestation period is.

Given that this is only a CONCEPT, a 36 month or so lead time is normal.

GM's only mistake in thinking that it would create some excitement when they needed it was showing the CONCEPT in the first place, creating unrealizable expectations.

If anybody would have taken what I have been saying to heart, they would understand. So with that I have no sympathy.

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Geez...4Q 2008?? Thats 3 freaking years from now. Somewhere Ford designers and engineers are giving out a collective sigh of relief...

Yeah, the Mustang will probably be getting a mid-cycle restyle for '09 or '10 I bet...

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CaddyXLR-V    3

Well regardless of what's been said, GM should know better than to wait that long. I don't want this car rushed any more than anyone else does, but 3 years is an awful long time for people to wait for a car they want to go out and buy now. Example. I need a car soon, within the next year or two. So I was set on an Avalanche. Then I saw the Camaro, and started rethinking. So then it was Camaro or Avalanche? But if this car is coming out until 2009, I simply cant wait that long. Which is the case for a lot of people. They want this car now. GM needs this car now. Especially at the peak of the fuel price wars and what not, having a 400 HP car that can advertise 30 MPG is insane. I just dont think the sheer number of people who want this car NOW can get any bigger...it can only get smaller. I'd still want it when it came out, but then I'd already have a car that I'd still be paying off. Which is I'm sure the case for a lot of people...but then again the way GM has been doing things lately, maybe it will come out earlier. 2008 MY is a pipe dream I guess...

Well GM still wouldn't be losing a sale by not building it sooner, because your other alternative is a GM vehicle anyway.

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The O.C.    2

I think it's still possible for it to be here before 2009 CY as a 2009 MY vehicle. Like 4Q 2008. I think the money will be flowing again once the GMT900s get out, and everything will get pushed forward a small amount, including the Camaro and RWD.

No offense Northstar....but didn't you see Evok's posts?

BELIEVE ME.....he knows what he's talking about. He has an inside track that not even many actual EMPLOYEES of the Big3 have....

If he feels it will be 2010, then I'm putting my betting money on Evok.

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