Random Thoughts Thread

[ocnblu]

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[daves87rs]

13 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That isn't what is causing the fall.  It is that China's economy is pumping the brakes right now, but it is rapidly falling iPhone sales that are one of the canaries in the coal mine.  Auto sales have been falling there for months. 

The reaction of the stock market has less to do with Apple profits and more to do with fears on the global economy.   We're not even into a global recession yet, so expect stocks to fall a lot further... We could be back to the 19,827 that Obama left us within a few months. 

Sadly, i expect the damage to be worse than that.....

[daves87rs]

Pretty sure we are hitting the ceiling when it comes to phone prices...

Even the apple faith start questioning the grand plus phones.....

[balthazar]

Another ever-increasing stock market factor feeding volatility strongly is robo-trading.

[trinacriabob]

10 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

I drove from Reno to Denver once in a rental Impala..the stretch from Reno to Salt Lake City is pretty ugly...  just a lot of barren nothingness.   Gigafactory 1 is near Clark, NV about 17 miles east of Reno in the void.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_1

I was thinking Fernley, NV, but I believe they are in that same canyon area along I-80.  That drive between RNO and SLC is one of America's ugliest.

[balthazar]

[ccap41]

16 hours ago, ccap41 said:

I would prefer not to give CNN my advertisement "click". They, and all other extremely biased news outlets. can suck it. If that article is posted somewhere outside of their site, I'll give it a read. 

So @Drew Dowdell is a CNN guy. Interesting. I thought you had more respect for yourself than that. 

[ccap41]

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I do not have a horse in this race. Just asking a very honest and legit question.   AND...Im not only just asking  CCAP, but ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY that reads this post of mine.  

1. What difference does it make where you read this article?   Fox News or CNN...  If the article is indeed biased free. Or if it leans slightly to the right or left. I said slightly leaning, not blatant #fakenews...

I truly believe that if it is Fox or CNN it is biased because they pretty much only post biased information. I wouldn't believe anything either news outlet posts. Their stuff must lean their direction in order to post it. 

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

 2. How does one know how the article leans if one does not read it?

The outlet posting it. 

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

3. How does one know what really is the truth if one avoids "the other side's" news outlet?   Especially if one ONLY keeps reading and engaging in his political leanings news outlets...

I'm not avoiding "the other side's" news outlet. I avoid them both. 

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

4. How does one form an informed and non-biased opinion if one ONLY listens to news outlets that are the same as his political leanings just keeps on high fivin' what obviously one WANTS to hear all the time?

I don't believe the consumer can inform a non-biased opinion like that. 

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

5. And finally, last question. What the phoque is this right and left, democratic and republican, liberal and conservative bullshyte I keep on hearing about?

Political parties.

Left/liberal/democrat = same

 Right/conservative/republican = same

12 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

Life is NOT JUST  about being left or right and all that bullshyte...Life aint black or white...life is a whole bunch of colours actually...and one need not only choose one phoquing colour.  The beauty of life is the phoquing freedom to EXPERIENCE ALL THE PHOQUING colours there are!!!

I find it ridiculous all the accusations and the mud slinging  thrown around in American politics both by the leaders of your country and the voting public, yet NOBODY is actually LISTENING,  DEBATING, and actually COMPROMISING and COMING TO A CONCLUSION and a SOLUTION...

Its only about insulting the other side, trying to discredit the other side.  Arguments are just semantic driven just to discredit on technicalities and more insults are thrown yet NOBODY has a bloody solution for ANYTHING...

Its sad really...

And this sums up why those extremely Left and Right news outlets are garbage and I won't give them my ad/click revenue. 

[oldshurst442]

Thank you @ccap41 for answering those questions.

Now, if others would answer them, data could be collected and we could all have decent political discussions without the corrosive attacks and the blind eye and deaf ear responses.  As long as we are ready to learn stuff from one another...

Political discussions are not inherently bad and toxic, its how one tries to communicate...

Its NOT about converting. Its about listening. Its about learning about the issues and tackling them with solutions.  

But here is the biggie...personal belief systems NEED to stay at home...everyone has a right to believe and live their OWN life without IMPOSING their belief system unto others.  NEUTRALITY seems to be lacking in US society...

And yes, all that what I said requires COMPROMISE...

In  2018-2019, it seems we all behave like whiny, crying little brats...

When I was a whiny, crying little brat, my mom would give me cross handed smacks across my face to shut me up...(and it worked)...

 

 

Edited January 4, 2019 by oldshurst442

[riviera74]

57 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Thank you @ccap41 for answering those questions.

Now, if others would answer them, data could be collected and we could all have decent political discussions without the corrosive attacks and the blind eye and deaf ear responses.  As long as we are ready to learn stuff from one another...

Political discussions are not inherently bad and toxic, its how one tries to communicate...

Its NOT about converting. Its about listening. Its about learning about the issues and tackling them with solutions.  

But here is the biggie...personal belief systems NEED to stay at home...everyone has a right to believe and live their OWN life without IMPOSING their belief system unto others.  NEUTRALITY seems to be lacking in US society...

And yes, all that what I said requires COMPROMISE...

In  2018-2019, it seems we all behave like whiny, crying little brats...

When I was a whiny, crying little brat, my mom would give me cross handed smacks across my face to shut me up...(and it worked)...

 

 

Small problem: nobody wants to listen and everybody thinks they themselves are right 100% of the time.

[ccap41]

14 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Small problem: nobody wants to listen and everybody thinks they themselves are right 100% of the time.

I completely agree with you. 

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

So @Drew Dowdell is a CNN guy. Interesting. I thought you had more respect for yourself than that. 

I thought I explained myself quite clearly.  I look at everything with a critical eye.  Refusing to even look at something because of the source (outside of extremist stuff) is what I have a problem with.  If you don't want to give CNN the ad revenue, put on an ad blocker (and whitelist us). 

All of the new outlets source news and op-eds from multiple places. So while one may lean left or right, is it just a lean.   I'm still curious which news outlet you think is completely unbiased.  I don't think one exists.   So if you refuse to read any unbiased news sources, then you're actively choosing to remain ignorant.  Read, absorb, form your own opinion.

[oldshurst442]

10 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

  Read, absorb, form your own opinion.

+1 on this!

 Read and listen to everything.   

There is an element of truth  to all angles and leanings. Even on the extreme leanings.  Those are exaggerated truths, but truths non the less.   And from there, one could form one's opinion. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by oldshurst442

[ccap41]

17 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I thought I explained myself quite clearly.  I look at everything with a critical eye.  Refusing to even look at something because of the source (outside of extremist stuff) is what I have a problem with.  If you don't want to give CNN the ad revenue, put on an ad blocker (and whitelist us). 

All of the new outlets source news and op-eds from multiple places. So while one may lean left or right, is it just a lean.   I'm still curious which news outlet you think is completely unbiased.  I don't think one exists.   So if you refuse to read any unbiased news sources, then you're actively choosing to remain ignorant.  Read, absorb, form your own opinion.

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-and-least-biased-news-outlets-in-america-2018-6

Remain ignorant or receive bad information.. Hmmm which is worse? 

[oldshurst442]

39 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

Small problem: nobody wants to listen and everybody thinks they themselves are right 100% of the time.

That is a common theme when discussing anything really. Not just politics. 

Sports...America's Team versus the rest of the NFL...

Hey...we see this in automotive forums when discussing mundane shyte like cars, electric drive versus dino fuel, or Japanese cars versus American, or TTV6 versus NA V8, or wrong wheel drive versus RWD, or AWD all seasons tires versus winter tires and RWD for winter...

But that is childish dont you think?  Like I said earlier, neutrality seems to be lacking because we are all selfish little asshats...

Maybe we should try to improve on our selfish little asshat selves then. 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-and-least-biased-news-outlets-in-america-2018-6

Remain ignorant or receive bad information.. Hmmm which is worse? 

As that article says... bias and accuracy are two different things.  Rachel Maddow is incredibly biased... but generally her facts are on point and she issues retractions/corrections if she finds out she is wrong.  Fox news is also incredibly biased, but when they get it wrong, they get it really wrong and rarely ever issue retractions or corrections.  NPR seems to at least try to remain impartial by inviting those on both sides to be interviewed, but that can often lead to nutjobs getting equal airtime with "specialists". 

[oldshurst442]

11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/most-and-least-biased-news-outlets-in-america-2018-6

Remain ignorant or receive bad information.. Hmmm which is worse? 

remain ignorant is a million, scratch that, a zillion times worse.

Bad info is still info, that if one uses logic, and the smarts they gained by getting bad and good information with life experiences and input from all kinds of input sources,  one could still form a viable opinion and solution...

[Drew Dowdell]

1 minute ago, oldshurst442 said:

remain ignorant is a million, scratch that, a zillion times worse.

Bad info is still info, that if one uses logic, and the smarts they gained by getting bad and good information with life experiences and input from all kinds of input sources,  one could still form a viable opinion and solution...

^This.   As I said, I read an article with a critical eye and look for things to pick apart.  

[ccap41]

Bad information is just as bad, imo. If you're not receiving accurate information what good is it? You're then spreading inaccurate information. It is literally fanboying in the car world spread to the real world. 

I could tell you a Mustang has a 5.0 liter V8 that's 600hp. It's partially correct and partially incorrect so spreading that is just garbage.What good does that do to the next person who doesn't know what is and is not real? 

45 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

^This.   As I said, I read an article with a critical eye and look for things to pick apart.  

How do you know what exactly to pick apart and what is accurate? 

[oldshurst442]

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Bad information is just as bad, imo. If you're not receiving accurate information what good is it? You're then spreading inaccurate information. It is literally fanboying in the car world spread to the real world. 

I could tell you a Mustang has a 5.0 liter V8 that's 600hp. It's partially correct and partially incorrect so spreading that is just garbage.What good does that do to the next person who doesn't know what is and is not real? 

How do you know what exactly to pick apart and what is accurate? 

That my friend, is the age old question, isnt it?

 

“Ignorance, the root and stem of every evil.” 
― Plato

“I'm trying to think, don't confuse me with facts.” 
― Plato

“The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” 
― Socrates

“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think” 
― Socrates

“Wonder is the beginning of wisdom.” 
― Socrates

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” 
― Socrates

“To find yourself, think for yourself.” 
― Socrates

Ignorance is the night of the mind, but a night without moon or star.

—  Confucius, 551-479 BC, Chinese teacher & philosopher

The only thing that is more expensive than education is ignorance.

—  Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790, American politician & writer

Books and ideas are the most effective weapons against intolerance and ignorance.

—  Lyndon Johnson, 1908-1973, American President [1963-1969]

 

 

As you see, from the dawn of time, man has struggled with this...

But to willfully choose to ignore and to stay ignorant of what is what...

Not ignorance, but ignorance of ignorance is the death of knowledge.

—  Alfred North Whitehead, 1861-1947, British philosopher & mathematician

 

With life experiences and input of all kinds, good, bad, accurate or false...

Sixty years ago I knew everything. Now I know nothing. Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

—  Will Durant, 1885-1981, American historian & philosopher

 

That is the beauty of human existence. We have the ability to learn...

[David]

15 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I do not have a horse in this race. Just asking a very honest and legit question.   AND...Im not only just asking  CCAP, but ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY that reads this post of mine.  

1. What difference does it make where you read this article?   Fox News or CNN...  If the article is indeed biased free. Or if it leans slightly to the right or left. I said slightly leaning, not blatant #fakenews...

And another honest and legit question.

 2. How does one know how the article leans if one does not read it?

3. How does one know what really is the truth if one avoids "the other side's" news outlet?   Especially if one ONLY keeps reading and engaging in his political leanings news outlets...

4. How does one form an informed and non-biased opinion if one ONLY listens to news outlets that are the same as his political leanings just keeps on high fivin' what obviously one WANTS to hear all the time?

5. And finally, last question. What the phoque is this right and left, democratic and republican, liberal and conservative bullshyte I keep on hearing about? 

Life is NOT JUST  about being left or right and all that bullshyte...Life aint black or white...life is a whole bunch of colours actually...and one need not only choose one phoquing colour.  The beauty of life is the phoquing freedom to EXPERIENCE ALL THE PHOQUING colours there are!!!

I find it ridiculous all the accusations and the mud slinging  thrown around in American politics both by the leaders of your country and the voting public, yet NOBODY is actually LISTENING,  DEBATING, and actually COMPROMISING and COMING TO A CONCLUSION and a SOLUTION...

Its only about insulting the other side, trying to discredit the other side.  Arguments are just semantic driven just to discredit on technicalities and more insults are thrown yet NOBODY has a bloody solution for ANYTHING...

Its sad really...

 

 

In answer to your questions:

1)NONE, EVERYONE, should be looking at the news with an open mind and a critical eye to the data and make their own determination of the valid nature of the writing. Op Editorials by outside 3rd party people that are asked a question with the request to write up their view on the stated question from their professional view should be read on CNN, Fox News, BCC, etc. Educate yourself on what is being seen by professionals so you can better respond.

2) Stated for Truth, to deny reading a story because of where it is posted leaves you open to ignorance of what is being discussed.

3) Quoted for Truth, If one wants to be as balanced as possible and invest in the best person possible be it in business, politics or life, one does need to keep an open mind to both sides of the debate.

4) Correct, One can NEVER have a truly informed, educated thought if one does not read and educate themselves about both sides of the coin.

5) I truly get the point you are making, we are a MULTI-CULTURAL Society that has much to benefit everyone if only leadership, businesses embrace the differences with respect and humility of agreeing to disagree, yet finding middle ground to work together for the betterment of society.

We are currently moving IMHO to a very splintered extremist viewpoint by not listening to all and yet then working to reach a middle ground of acceptance.

Our History is filled with extremist hate and destruction of society by going to one side or another.

[A Horse With No Name]

11 hours ago, balthazar said:

Best thing I have seen all day. 

 

More cars, less politics. 

4 hours ago, ccap41 said:

So @Drew Dowdell is a CNN guy. Interesting. I thought you had more respect for yourself than that. 

I am like you in that I have zero use for most of the political pundits on the American news cycle. Ben Shapiro and Rachel Maddow can both take a long walk off of a short pier IMHO. 

Now...back to cars. and football...dammit if the cowboys aren't starting to rather sadly acquit themselves. 

And i will grant you the Taurus SHO is awesome. 

[ccap41]

7 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I am like you in that I have zero use for most of the political pundits on the American news cycle. Ben Shapiro and Rachel Maddow can both take a long walk off of a short pier IMHO. 

So much "YES" here. 

8 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Now...back to cars. and football...dammit if the cowboys aren't starting to rather sadly acquit themselves.

Haha well I am quite pessimistic about my Cowboys.. I have almost zero confidence they can come away with a win 1: against a playoff quality team 2: in the playoffs. 

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, ccap41 said:

So much "YES" here. 

Ohhhhhh...I will happily buy you craft beer, and good craft beer all night long. We agree soooo much. 

[ccap41]

Just now, A Horse With No Name said:

Ohhhhhh...I will happily buy you craft beer, and good craft beer all night long. We agree soooo much. 

I'll take a 11 Busch Lights, please.  🤣

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Bad information is just as bad, imo. If you're not receiving accurate information what good is it? You're then spreading inaccurate information. It is literally fanboying in the car world spread to the real world. 

I could tell you a Mustang has a 5.0 liter V8 that's 600hp. It's partially correct and partially incorrect so spreading that is just garbage.What good does that do to the next person who doesn't know what is and is not real? 

How do you know what exactly to pick apart and what is accurate? 

I use my noggin.

[Robert Hall]

With the Broncos, Browns and Steelers not in the playoffs, no one for me to root for...though I'm interested in seeing how far the Eagles go.  As long as we don't get another Patriots Super Bowl.  Rams vs Chargers would be an interesting matchup.

[David]

14 hours ago, daves87rs said:

Pretty sure we are hitting the ceiling when it comes to phone prices...

Even the apple faith start questioning the grand plus phones.....

My son who is a graphic designer and is all Apple has passed on the latest phone's stating there is nothing technologically worth it to upgrade and he now sees better options from the android side that give better quality over apple. 

He is taking a wait and see approach as he also says Apple has lately seemed to roll out new tech every 2 years like the old Microsoft and now Microsoft is creating new products yearly. 

It is as if the two companies have flipped their rolls.

Some might like Tim Cook as CEO but I think he lacks the creative leadership to drive Apple to new products, solutions and consumer driven demand of profits.

[A Horse With No Name]

13 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

I'll take a 11 Busch Lights, please.  🤣

Not a problem!

...and I always thought you were one short of a full twelve pack. You just proved that...!

Horse ducks from Wrench thrown his way...

15 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I use my noggin.

Things are a bit better around here when you are around...critical thinking is always welcome. 

14 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

With the Broncos, Browns and Steelers not in the playoffs, no one for me to root for...though I'm interested in seeing how far the Eagles go.  As long as we don't get another Patriots Super Bowl.  Rams vs Chargers would be an interesting matchup.

Browns doing much better though. 

[David]

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

remain ignorant is a million, scratch that, a zillion times worse.

Bad info is still info, that if one uses logic, and the smarts they gained by getting bad and good information with life experiences and input from all kinds of input sources,  one could still form a viable opinion and solution...

Pretty much what you state is what I have always told youth.

Education is the great Equalizer that allows people of various beliefs to live together peacefully. If one ignores reading views from all sources it makes one ignorant of trying to understand why the other side believes the way they do and to take those sources of information and come to a better understanding of why society needs to change, technology needs to change, products we use need to change.

If we stop learning, stop changing to make ourselves better we start dying.

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

My son who is a graphic designer and is all Apple has passed on the latest phone's stating there is nothing technologically worth it to upgrade and he now sees better options from the android side that give better quality over apple. 

He is taking a wait and see approach as he also says Apple has lately seemed to roll out new tech every 2 years like the old Microsoft and now Microsoft is creating new products yearly. 

It is as if the two companies have flipped their rolls.

Some might like Tim Cook as CEO but I think he lacks the creative leadership to drive Apple to new products, solutions and consumer driven demand of profits.

Quite happy with Android myself. 

[Robert Hall]

I'm not particularly happy w/ where Apple is going currently.  Still like my older Mac Book Pro (bought new in 2017 but it's the previous generation), my iPad, and my iPhone 7 (got it last year to replace my 6S).   The only advantage I'd see going to Samsung phones are longer battery life and better camera.  

6 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

 

Browns doing much better though. 

Oh yeah..best I've felt about the Browns since Kosar was there. 

Edited January 4, 2019 by Robert Hall

[David]

@A Horse With No Name @ccap41

Saturday Seahawks at Cowboys, while not watching or pretty much supporting professional sports, I see this game going 1 of two ways.

Blow out of Seattle by Cowboys,

Intense knuckle fight with a close scoring game between them.

I could care less who wins.

[ccap41]

23 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I use my noggin.

That's not very factual.. Seems like biased can get in the way when trying to weed though information. 

11 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Not a problem!

...and I always thought you were one short of a full twelve pack. You just proved that...!

Horse ducks from Wrench thrown his way...

😂😂 That 12th was going to be for you... 

6 minutes ago, dfelt said:

@A Horse With No Name @ccap41

Saturday Seahawks at Cowboys, while not watching or pretty much supporting professional sports, I see this game going 1 of two ways.

Blow out of Seattle by Cowboys,

Intense knuckle fight with a close scoring game between them.

I could care less who wins.

I would be a very satisfied individual if the Cowboys blew out the Seahawks. I just don't see that happening. Seattle is good, Dallas is good. Both are strong defensively and "okay" offensively. 

[oldshurst442]

9 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

More cars, less politics. 

Now...back to cars. and football...dammit if the cowboys aren't starting to rather sadly acquit themselves. 

And i will grant you the Taurus SHO is awesome. 

Technically, this has morphed into more of a philosophical discussion...

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

So much "YES" here. 

Do NOT forget what Horsie said about the Cowboys...

Quote

football...dammit if the cowboys aren't starting to rather sadly acquit themselves. 

So much YES to that too...but it aint sadly...its more like AWESOMELY...

[Suaviloquent]

I don't really want to make a thread, but I'm posting a pic here. Someone else can make a thread for further discussion.

If this is what's supposed to be the Focus buyer's option for a 'compact' in the form of crossover, this won't cut it. It's awful looking to me. The Escape used to be trucky and capable looking in its first gen, and I still like that look over this.

 

 

[ccap41]

5 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

I don't really want to make a thread, but I'm posting a pic here. Someone else can make a thread for further discussion.

If this is what's supposed to be the Focus buyer's option for a 'compact' in the form of crossover, this won't cut it. It's awful looking to me. The Escape used to be trucky and capable looking in its first gen, and I still like that look over this.

 

 

The "baby Bronco" should fill that role whenever it arrives. 

Did you see the Explorer ST lurking in the background as well? 

[David]

8 minutes ago, Suaviloquent said:

I don't really want to make a thread, but I'm posting a pic here. Someone else can make a thread for further discussion.

If this is what's supposed to be the Focus buyer's option for a 'compact' in the form of crossover, this won't cut it. It's awful looking to me. The Escape used to be trucky and capable looking in its first gen, and I still like that look over this.

 

 

This my friend is the 21st century suppository for those that love Jelly Beans!  

[Robert Hall]

Too bad we won't get the new generation Focus here, it's pretty good looking in hatchback form.

[Suaviloquent]

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The "baby Bronco" should fill that role whenever it arrives. 

Did you see the Explorer ST lurking in the background as well? 

Yeah, that thing looks about right. 

[Robert Hall]

41 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

The "baby Bronco" should fill that role whenever it arrives. 

Did you see the Explorer ST lurking in the background as well? 

So this is presumably 'not' the baby Bronco?  Is it the next Escape or a new Focus-based CUV entry?   I know they were going to do the Focus Active wagon from China but that got scuttled..this is something else.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Robert Hall

[Suaviloquent]

There's something really odd with this design. It looks really bland. The camo hides barely any features, this will be a dull looking CUV. 

[ccap41]

51 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

So this is presumably 'not' the baby Bronco?  Is it the next Escape or a new Focus-based CUV entry?   I know they were going to do the Focus Active wagon from China but that got scuttled..this is something else.

According to Autoblog it is supposed to be the next Escape. 

https://www.autoblog.com/photos/2020-ford-escape-spy-shots-0/#slide-7494942

[A Horse With No Name]

1 hour ago, Robert Hall said:

Too bad we won't get the new generation Focus here, it's pretty good looking in hatchback form.

Some of the local guys who work for Honda are very happy this isn't coming. They were sweating bullets worrying about competing with this. 

Couple of local guys I know who work on the showroom floor selling VW's also really didn't want to go up against this. It is a nice looking car. 

22 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

According to Autoblog it is supposed to be the next Escape. 

https://www.autoblog.com/photos/2020-ford-escape-spy-shots-0/#slide-7494942

Not bad perhaps, but still would prefer a Subie Crossteck. 

[Drew Dowdell]

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Too bad we won't get the new generation Focus here, it's pretty good looking in hatchback form.

That does look good.

41 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

According to Autoblog it is supposed to be the next Escape. 

https://www.autoblog.com/photos/2020-ford-escape-spy-shots-0/#slide-7494942

Looks quite small compared to the current Escape.

[ccap41]

26 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Looks quite small compared to the current Escape.

I thought the same but it can be tough to get the size perspective via pictures so I figured it was just me. 

[Robert Hall]

52 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

That does look good.

Looks quite small compared to the current Escape.

Maybe they are adding a model between the Ecosport and Escape. 

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

Maybe they are adding a model between the Ecosport and Escape. 

I believe that's Baby Bronco territory but I think it's supposed to be boxier like a Renegade or Soul. 

[Robert Hall]

Just now, ccap41 said:

I believe that's Baby Bronco territory but I think it's supposed to be boxier like a Renegade or Soul. 

Given Ford's new focus on CUVs, it wouldn't surprise me that they would go with something mainstream in addition to the Baby Bronco..

[David]

1 minute ago, Robert Hall said:

Maybe they are adding a model between the Ecosport and Escape. 

So between compact and sub compact we get semi-sub compact? 🤷‍♂️

😃