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Chevy Considering A Chevelle Or Monte Carlo?

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From GM Inside News.

I've been told and shown concepts for both a Chevelle and a Monte Carlo. They want to have a coupe mate for the Impala, though they don't expect that coupe to sell as well as Camaro (more in the 80,000 range). Both concepts share parts underneath the skin and have fairly similar interiors but very different sheet metal, as you'd expect with the nameplates.

The Monte design is very much drawn from a 1972 Monte Carlo. The nose isn't that long (as would be expected in a modern car), but it's good sized. It has a more modern Chevy grille - not the egg crate on the 1972, though they do incorporate some hints of one.

The Chevelle is primarily based off the 1967 model. You can see how well the Chevy bar would fit on that car. The Chevelle concept is a hatchback, though. It looks similar with the how it slopes toward the back but the whole rear window lifts up and the trunk is accessible from the rear bench. Those seats can also fold down.

Both have the same wheelbase as the future GTO but they will be more tame. The GTO is a V8 only model with plenty of ponies. The pix I've seen of it also indicate it will be a five seater, so Camaro and G6 coupes are likely to be the only 2+2s in the GM lineup that I can think of off the top of my head. The next G6 may eliminate the 2+2 feature to leave it as a Camaro distinctive.

Chevelle or Monte Carlo will have good power available at the top end but the bulk of the models sold would likely either be a smaller V8 or an updated version of the 3.9L V6 that should output 300hp. The SS would probably hang around 400 while the next gen GTO should be at 450-500 just like the 'Vette will be when GDI, VVT, and three valves are added to the current LS2. GM is deciding which they will go with. I lean toward the Chevelle. I think the name is highly respected now and Monte Carlo is worn out a bit. The current FWD iteration of it is okay but out of touch with its heritage. Chevelle is a highly sought after car nowadays and I've been told GM market research says the nameplate has a more positive vibe fromt he public and is likely to sell better, especially if based on the late 60s models (plenty of variety there). My guess is Monte Carlo will be gone after the 2008 model year because the Impala is slated for 2009 and may be introduced early. They want to get the new Impala to market not too long after Malibu because they believe the new Malibu will kill current Impala sales. They're fairly close in size, though Malibu is a bit smaller than the current Impala. The problem is that GM may not get the six-speed autos ready for the W-body with replacements coming. Malibu will have a six-speed standard at launch if Lutz has his way. He wants that base I4 to have a six-speed auto and believes that the cost difference between the old four-speed and the six will be small. They really want the Malibu to lead in standard features and in value, but they need to replace the Impala. Chances are the bulk of current Impalas built after the new Malibu hits will be sold very cheaply to rental companies. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if GM attempts to launch both the Malibu and the RWD Impala at the same time, though that's a hunch based on my own thoughts. I could really see GM launching Malibu, Impala/Chevelle, and Camaro all in the same year with a new Cobalt coming a year after.

I somehow doubt it...but, then again the Camaro wasn't suppose to be here. :AH-HA_wink:

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Very interesting... I hope this pans out. I honestly believe Chevrolet can sell two RWD coupes, if they are pitched to different customers. It's intriguing that they're thinking of resurrecting the Chevelle name, although Chevelle's image, to me at least, is kinda close to Camaro. Monte Carlo could be more luxurious, a "gentleman's hot rod". I'm glad they're considering using cues from the less-baroque first-gen car. Chevelle means sporty, practical and versatile. The hatchback is a really kinky, brilliant idea. Camaro means affordable, sporty as a six cylinder, musclecar for four as a V8.

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I hope they bring back the chevelle in 2 door and 4door models and make the 2 door high performance always like the chevelle better than the monte carlo.

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I kind of agree that Monte Carlo is a name that has become a little tired, meanwhile Chevelle is a name that really NEEDS to come back after the disappointments we've had with the Impala namesake and the Monte Carlo namesake coming back as FWD cars. And I really hope that the Chevelle comes in both two and four door variants.

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just curious if they made a coupe malibu, would it be called anything else?

and will they keep the 'Bu SS w/ the 3.9L or switch to the 3.6L? hopefully w/ ~280hp

will the bu get the 2.4 or keep the 2.2, cause if they use the 2.4 w/ DI making ~190+hp along w/ the hybrid option would be great, and move the 3.5 up to ~230hp

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If they build a Monte, gave it a V8 with RWD, offered it black with red pinstriping & the topped it off with T-tops, I'd be VERY VERY tempted... Call me doubly tempted if they even put REAL Monte Carlo badges on it!

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I kind of agree that Monte Carlo is a name that has become a little tired, meanwhile Chevelle is a name that really NEEDS to come back after the disappointments we've had with the Impala namesake and the Monte Carlo namesake coming back as FWD cars.  And I really hope that the Chevelle comes in both two and four door variants.

Make a station wagon version too, ala Magnum style. I always thought Chevelle Wagons looked cool :idhitit:

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Here we go wiht the "there's no market" B.S.

Let's see as of June 2006 here's the cars

there was technically "no market for"

according to the experts: 300C, Charger,

Magnum, Mustang, Corvette, Solstice, Sky,

convertibles in general, G6 RHT, Crown Vic,

Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car, CTS-V, &

a boatload of other niche cars that do not

belong in the 21st century.

If BMW can sell 3 coupes: 3 Series, Z4,

6-series as well as the BMW Z8, & Mercedes

can have a whole lineup of coupes & RWD

cars are back then I'm pretty sure a full size

luxury-coupe Monte Carlo and a compact &

sporty Camaro can coexist.

When it comes to ZETA the more the merrier.

The whole idea is to build a ton of product on

this platform and reach as much demographic

as possible to sell as many units as possible &

keep the RWD cars going round & round.

LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE:

More good product = more sales

Less product, good or not =/= more sales

The Camaro will NOT be the exact car for

everyone and anyone who wants a Chevy

coupe. 49 year old ex-soccermoms who

want to dump their minivans and live the

life now that Junior and the cheerleader are

out of H.S. & collge will not be looking for a

firebreathing muscle car. hey will want a

21st century edition of a G-body coupe.

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Droping the Monte Carlo would be a mistake in my eyes as some folks out there do still want a personal luxury coupe with a dash of sport. The current Monte could have been done much better than it was and it seems Chevy is slowly killing it off with less engine options and trim levels. Hopefully they keep the Monte Carlo name and pin it on a nice RWD coupe with retro cues, nice lines, some exterior trim, a chrome grille and a much better interior than the current car has. Also bring back swivel bucket seats and some interior colors like white, blue or maroon.

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they will want a 21st century edition of a G-body coupe.

Nooo! They want a Malibu SS! Errr.. nevermind.

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Ive owned both a 67 velle and a 70 mc. I think a modern 67 will outshine the camaro in my book, I love the 70-72 montes but I think the current car wore out the name and if it cant have that 6 foot hood why bother. I take mine in marina blue please!

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"Camaro and G6 coupes are likely to be the only 2+2s in the GM lineup that I can think of off the top of my head."

It would be a bitch to seat three comfortably in the back of a Cobalt coupe. Let alone the Aveo... Or does "2+2" mean there's something between the two seats in the back?

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I would still like to see a high performance 2 door chevelle come back it would be bigger than the camaro for people who wan't more room in there car about the size of the current impala would be fine.

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I don't like the Chevelle name for a new car, I'd rather stick with Monte Carlo.

The name Monte Carlo has history to it, AND it also has been around the last few years so we are used to it being a modern car.

The name Chevelle immediatly brings images of 30+ years ago. Personally I'm getting tired of the rush to make everything and name everything Retro. Keep it the Monte Carlo.

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I also continue to not see the rush to make everying rear wheel drive.

Maybe other people are different, but in my immediate and even extended family, about half of the vehicles owned are mid to full sized cars like the Impala, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Camry, Accord, etc.

Right now just about all of them owned are FWD, not RWD. There are a couple of Monte Carlos in there. I know for a fact if the Monte Carlo was not offered in FWD anymore, that the family members that have them (my father included) would probably migrate over to a Camry Solara or an Accord coupe (but probably the Solara, it's bigger than the Accord and even the G6 coupe).

Auto enthusiasts want RWD, but I truly believe the 'non-car' guys and girls out there actually prefer FWD. There have been many advances in safety in RWD (traction controll, stability controll, etc) but a FWD car with those same features is still many times easier to drive in bad weather (talking about Buffalo NY winters here) than it's RWD counterpart.

If GM decided to convert many of it's FWD cars to RWD, I'm sure it will make the enthusiasts happy, but I fear they will lose more sales than they think.

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It is my opinion that two things are limiting Chrysler LX sales: controversial styling and Chrysler's lingering (but fading) quality rep. Even with those "handicaps", they've done very well. GM has neither of those problems to worry about. I know this argument gets trotted out every time someone laments a return to RWD for GM's bigger affordable cars, but the market is proving it. GM will offer AWD for those who are scared.

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