Camino LS6

The truth about the 2004-2006 GTO

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GM was forced to stop production of the GTO for the same reason it stopped production of the F-body: New Federal Regulations. In this instance, the new federal regs concerned front seat passengers. There was new safety standards regarding airbag deployments that took place at the start of the Federal new model year (September 1, 2004). Holden (and GM) simply saw no need to spend money on a car that was going to be replaced, so they simply wound out production until they had to stop.

Didn't know this.

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Yep. The Monaro was designed to sell only 5,000 cars per year over a 3 year model life with strict quotas that meant exactly 1/4 would have the 3.8 V6 and auto trans and the remaining 3/4 would get the V8 in either auto or manual). The idea was that it would be a true low volume halo car, and the limited production numbers would keep the price of new and used models high.

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Well I have mine.... so I'm good

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Thanks for posting this Camino.

Your 6-speed GTO was a fantastic car... I'll prob own one someday.

If only the rear side window was a bit smaller so it could be made to

drop into the rear 1/4-panel and therefore aid in B-pillar deletage. :wink:

Shhh! Don't let PCS read this, he'll throw a fit!

F*** anyone who is posing as a GM enthusiast but has some

convoluted agenda based mostly on their hatred of Holden &

love of Opel even if it means starving GM-NA or RWD product.

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I don't throw a fit, I just push forth GME's agenda with new vigor, I am relentless ...

It doesn't count if the agenda is on the floor and if the relentless pushing is with a broom and dust pan.

In all serious though, yes GME is exactly where it belongs (with Buick) IMO.

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It doesn't count if the agenda is on the floor and if the relentless pushing is with a broom and dust pan.

Now you know better than that, and I understand that it scares you to the very core of your being, but I have been with GM 20 years come June 2009, and as CPF says, no one understands internal GM politics better than me, and I have to say, things look like they are going GME's way these days.

In all serious though, yes GME is exactly where it belongs (with Buick) IMO.

On this you and I, seem to have reached a consensus ...

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Now you know better than that, and I understand that it scares you to the very core of your being, but I have been with GM 20 years come June 2009, and as CPF says, no one understands internal GM politics better than me, and I have to say, things look like they are going GME's way these days.

LOL, doesn't scare me at all. I'll shop elsewhere and say to hell with GM if it doesn't sell what I want. Need I remind you that my daily driver is NOT a GM vehicle?

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I'll shop elsewhere and say to hell with GM if it doesn't sell what I want.

I wish upper management would get this.

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I've been shopping elsewhere for new vehicles because GM hasn't had what I/we wanted. Midsize sedan, 4cyl/manual transmission in the Summer of 2006? Nothing from GM, went with Ford. Hybrid sedan in the Spring of '08? GM only sold the Malibu and Aura in certain areas of the country, and neither gets good enough mileage to justify the hassle, went with Toyota. I cant bitch too much about the MINI (she's picking it up Valentine's Day!) because nobody offers anything similar in the states. At least not yet. So for all the talk of GM needing 8 brands to cover every corner of the market, there are huge gaps they dont cover, so whats the point of all these brands?

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I've been shopping elsewhere for new vehicles because GM hasn't had what I/we wanted. Midsize sedan, 4cyl/manual transmission in the Summer of 2006? Nothing from GM, went with Ford. Hybrid sedan in the Spring of '08? GM only sold the Malibu and Aura in certain areas of the country, and neither gets good enough mileage to justify the hassle, went with Toyota. I cant bitch too much about the MINI (she's picking it up Valentine's Day!) because nobody offers anything similar in the states. At least not yet. So for all the talk of GM needing 8 brands to cover every corner of the market, there are huge gaps they dont cover, so whats the point of all these brands?

I agree...

GM has been so bad at focusing it's divisions. With 8 brands, GM should be able to cover the market and then some. But for some reason, the company seems to think that every brand must sell the same car and market to the same clientele. They've essentially been committing suicide for 20 years now. It makes me so angry to see resources squandered so badly by management that apparently isn't even smart enough to see the freight train that was heading for the company 3 years ago.

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I wish upper management would get this.

This is why I've been anticipating Camaro for so long.

Was thinking back to Summer '02 when I picked up the Firehawk at Peruzzi Pontiac in Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania. At the time I was looking at a slew of SS Camaros, WS6s, Z28s. There was a real selection of turn-key hotrods in town. Not having a Firebird derivative available this time around hurts a little but an optioned SS should soothe my qualms when I first spot one for sale.

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I've been shopping elsewhere for new vehicles because GM hasn't had what I/we wanted. Midsize sedan, 4cyl/manual transmission in the Summer of 2006? Nothing from GM, went with Ford. Hybrid sedan in the Spring of '08? GM only sold the Malibu and Aura in certain areas of the country, and neither gets good enough mileage to justify the hassle, went with Toyota. I cant bitch too much about the MINI (she's picking it up Valentine's Day!) because nobody offers anything similar in the states. At least not yet. So for all the talk of GM needing 8 brands to cover every corner of the market, there are huge gaps they dont cover, so whats the point of all these brands?

Yup. GM is only focused on Toyota and Lexus, so they have 8 brands doing little more than competing model-for-model. A different division for each Toyota trim level!

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I think that GM is losing a lot of fanbase from these websites now...the people who started out long ago with them are moving on. there is not much left to see. they've tattered and ruined all of the story. the story of the images and names we grew up with or were born into. you know, I don't want to get too deep into this, but all that's left is that people understand the chances for product and natural evolution of the brands have come and gone. a lot of people here are very disallusioned with a company that seemingly can't make any step without feeling like it's going to breakdown. the problem has always been image/style, quality, performance. they haven't made completely satisfying cars/trucks until now, and even now they are few and very far between. had they begun with those tenets whenever they were developing new product, we wouldn't be in the situation we see before us today, where they are so broke and things are so bad they are basically on a path to destruction. thanks to not having any good mass market cars [aside from the just barely introd malibu], they are left in a position of huge weakness.

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LOL, doesn't scare me at all. I'll shop elsewhere and say to hell with GM if it doesn't sell what I want. Need I remind you that my daily driver is NOT a GM vehicle?

And this is what GM doesn't seem get, that people won't settle for less and will shop elsewhere. Same problem for Chrysler and Ford, but Ford has learned from it's mistakes and is making some of the best vehicles on the market now. Chrysler I dunno...if teh Ram is any indication then maybe.

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If there was no GTO, I would probably be driving a 350Z, 330Ci, or G35 coupe right now. So if GM stops making cars like the GTO, I will have no problem shopping elsewhere.

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I think that GM is losing a lot of fanbase from these websites now...the people who started out long ago with them are moving on. there is not much left to see. they've tattered and ruined all of the story. the story of the images and names we grew up with or were born into. you know, I don't want to get too deep into this, but all that's left is that people understand the chances for product and natural evolution of the brands have come and gone. a lot of people here are very disallusioned with a company that seemingly can't make any step without feeling like it's going to breakdown. the problem has always been image/style, quality, performance. they haven't made completely satisfying cars/trucks until now, and even now they are few and very far between. had they begun with those tenets whenever they were developing new product, we wouldn't be in the situation we see before us today, where they are so broke and things are so bad they are basically on a path to destruction. thanks to not having any good mass market cars [aside from the just barely introd malibu], they are left in a position of huge weakness.

Exactly. I know I haven't been on here as much as I used to. I used to keep hoping one day GM would wake up and turn Pontiac into what it should be, but we kept getting force-fed more G5's, and G6's, and now it seems there is no future for Pontiac. So with that, it seems like there is no future of me buying GM vehicles.

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in a few years:

cadillac may consist of an epsilon 2 large sedan

4 year old Sigma 2 CTS perhaps not going to continue on sigma

no alpha in production

Lambda large crossover

theta small crossover

pontiac:

matrix's uglier goofier stupider sibling

fantastic g8

several generations behind in design/performance G6

what else?

GM is giving enthusiasts a lot of reason to get excited over company's portfolios that care about style, performance, and image.

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