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GM News: GM Shelves Diesel Option for Equinox and Terrain

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There will be one less engine option for the Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain come the 2020 model year. The Car Connection first reported the news on the Equinox yesterday morning, while Autoblog followed with the Terrain news later in the day. Both stories reported the same reason for cancellation, they didn't sell.

"We did discontinue the diesel engine option in the 2020 Chevrolet Equinox due to low demand," said Chevrolet spokesman Kevin Kelly.

The news doesn't come as a shock to us. Diesel engines have gotten a bad rap since the Volkswagen diesel emission scandal came to light, causing sales to drop. The value argument was also tough for both models. A diesel Equinox started at $30,795. But only for $100 more, you could have gotten into the 2.0L turbo-four that offered better performance. Over at the Terrain, the diesel cost around $2,000 more than the 2.0 turbo-four. Diesel fuel is more expensive than its gas counterpart as well.

That will leave the upcoming Mazda CX-5 Skyactiv-D as the only diesel option in the compact crossover class. But as we have noted previously, the diesel option is quite expensive (begins at $42,045) and fuel economy figures are disappointing (27 City/30 Highway/28 Combined).

Source: The Car Connection, Autoblog


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No surprise here.  Diesel is on its way out, for better or worse.  The primary market for this class of crossovers do not care for diesel anything, so no more diesels.

I also suspect that an BEV option would sell better than the diesels that were just canceled.

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Agreed, diesel is done.  Except maybe in big trucks.  Elsewhere the people just don’t want it.

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Number one:  they never advertised it.  This was an amazing combination of economy and power.  38-39 MPG in this class of vehicle is UNHEARD OF  (in more ways than one, unfortunately).

Pundits said ppl want economy, first and foremost.  That was a lie.

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well, back in 2013 when gas was 4 bucks i think this would have gone over more.  I drove one for a short drive once, and it felt peppy, but the numbers don't suggest it's fast.  It was decently smooth if i remember.  Far better option than the 1.5 in the equinox, at least when it's AWD.

Knowing GM they probably limit the shit out of your options when you choose the diesel.

I'm willing to bet this is the end forever of diesel in GM cars for anything besides pickups from now on.

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54 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Number one:  they never advertised it.  This was an amazing combination of economy and power.  38-39 MPG in this class of vehicle is UNHEARD OF  (in more ways than one, unfortunately).

Pundits said ppl want economy, first and foremost.  That was a lie.

Guess all diesels suck from lack of advertising then. Can’t have anything to do with factors like what was mentioned in the article. 

 

But only for $100 more, you could have gotten into the 2.0L turbo-four that offered better performance. Over at the Terrain, the diesel cost around $2,000 more than the 2.0 turbo-four. Diesel fuel is more expensive than its gas counterpart as well.”

 

Diesel here is, on average, 25-30 cents per gallon higher than unleaded gas. It’s not hard to figure out why most folks just aren’t buying them. 

44 minutes ago, regfootball said:

well, back in 2013 when gas was 4 bucks i think this would have gone over more.  I drove one for a short drive once, and it felt peppy, but the numbers don't suggest it's fast.  It was decently smooth if i remember.  Far better option than the 1.5 in the equinox, at least when it's AWD.

Knowing GM they probably limit the $h! out of your options when you choose the diesel.

I'm willing to bet this is the end forever of diesel in GM cars for anything besides pickups from now on.

Going to Chevrolet’s site and selecting the Diesel engine puts it at LT trim which is not limited in options from what I can see. 

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

Number one:  they never advertised it.  This was an amazing combination of economy and power.  38-39 MPG in this class of vehicle is UNHEARD OF  (in more ways than one, unfortunately).

Pundits said ppl want economy, first and foremost.  That was a lie.

It’s gets 28 MPG city which is where most soccer moms use them, making it not so great when you factor in the extra fuels costs of diesel. 

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23 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

It’s gets 28 MPG city which is where most soccer moms use them, making it not so great when you factor in the extra fuels costs of diesel. 

?  Read Motor Trend's real world economy test.  Read Car & Driver's test.

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31 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

?  Read Motor Trend's real world economy test.  Read Car & Driver's test.

Either way, few soccer moms want a diesel-fueled crossover.  Usually the biggest buyers are those who need the hauling and towing superiority that comes with a diesel engine.  Those are truck buyers, not car/CUV buyers.  The typical buyer is the issue, not the fact that the diesel engines did not have the typically sky-high MPGs expected from them.

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1 hour ago, ocnblu said:

?  Read Motor Trend's real world economy test.  Read Car & Driver's test.

And? The rated MPGs are 28 City/38 Highway. Real world tests will always vary and you missed the point entirely. Riviera covered part of my point pretty well. 

 

We will just skip the C&D part of the review where they were critical of its lethargic operation. 

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Fact Woman buy more of this class of CUV than Men.

Fact if pulling, a Diesel Truck or full size SUV does it better.

Fact, Woman hate greasy, dirty things, Diesel is a very dirty fuel that stains cloths and just about everything. Woman hate to fuel just regular gas and now you want them to fuel with a dirtier fuel that also costs way more.

When you have to pay a premium for the power train plus an extra 60 cents per gallon for Diesel, it needs to return double to triple of the 28 MPG to even be considered by most people.

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They never had any in stock anywhere... of course they weren’t selling 

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10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Fact, Woman hate greasy, dirty things, Diesel is a very dirty fuel that stains cloths and just about everything. Woman hate to fuel just regular gas and now you want them to fuel with a dirtier fuel that also costs way more.

Where are all these angry, diesel-spraying women who are incapable of a simple vehicle refueling? Did we somehow slide back to the 1950s (or whenever it was when women were apparently utterly incapable)?

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Not surprised....it truly is on the way out.

At some point gas prices will shoot up hard yet again-and that is why EV is going to pick up and bury diesel -or at least what is left.

It’d the reason why the rest of the word is dumping diesel and going with smaller ICE and EV based cars....

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Everybody in here knows GM sucks at marketing, and has for a while.

Plus it took a long while for this to make the rounds in the press, I saw this in the GM Order Guide weeks ago.

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15 hours ago, balthazar said:

Where are all these angry, diesel-spraying women who are incapable of a simple vehicle refueling? Did we somehow slide back to the 1950s (or whenever it was when women were apparently utterly incapable)?

14 years ago, when I was driving a AAA tow truck, I towed two Camrys on the same day for the very same thing. Both drivers somehow put Diesel into their gas tanks and naturally both cars shut down after about twenty feet. There are stupid people everywhere, is my point here. 

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1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

14 years ago, when I was driving a AAA tow truck, I towed two Camrys on the same day for the very same thing. Both drivers somehow put Diesel into their gas tanks and naturally both cars shut down after about twenty feet. There are stupid people everywhere, is my point here. 

I could see that happening at BP gas stations...they have their unleaded pump handles in green, instead of just the diesel at other station chains. 

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9 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Everybody in here knows GM sucks at marketing, and has for a while.

Plus it took a long while for this to make the rounds in the press, I saw this in the GM Order Guide weeks ago.

How would you fix GM's marketing for each class of vehicle?

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20 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

How would you fix GM's marketing for each class of vehicle?

Question is too broad.

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15 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Question is too broad.

OK.  Start with the XT4/XT5/XT6.

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6 hours ago, riviera74 said:

How would you fix GM's marketing for each class of vehicle?

Well, I’d start with reintroducing GM to things called the TV and YouTube........

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GM Marketing needs to get back to Basic's.

Focus on family and the uses that auto's can have that Families would want to use it for. 

Show trucks doing things like hauling an RV trailer, boat with family inside of the truck enjoying the interior amenities.

Show SUV's / CUV's doing the same thing pulling a PWC, or 2 person small RV. Couples having some we time in a National Park.

Show cars out on the town for the night with couples and families.

Cadillac XT family of CUVs should be shown being driven into a golf course with a young couple planning to enjoy a round of golf. Show a senior couple with grandkids pulling into an amusement park arriving in luxury for a fun filled day.

It does not take rocket science to match up common use cases to how various auto's are used and highlight the superior nature of those auto's to the public on why they should buy GM.

Arrive in the 21st Century driving a GM!

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On 7/13/2019 at 7:34 PM, balthazar said:

Where are all these angry, diesel-spraying women who are incapable of a simple vehicle refueling? Did we somehow slide back to the 1950s (or whenever it was when women were apparently utterly incapable)?

Never said they were angry, diesel-spraying woman. Just a fact woman do not like dirty greasy things and would when given the option not have to deal with gassing up an auto.

Ford put together an all womans engineering team who designed and built key parts of the Ford Flex. They first used the design of a vacuum sealed gas door with no gas cap as it removed one more dirty item that woman did not like to touch. As such, we have now seen this copied and in use by plenty of various auto companies on their auto lines.

I bet if you asked your wife about this, she would say she would rather not have to touch a gas cap or fuel an auto if she had her choice.

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Re: marketing....for example, Jeep has successfully capitalized on the outdoor adventure imagery with their ads for decades,  GM could do the same with their various CUVs/SUVs..

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      The 2020 Ram 1500 is the no-compromise benchmark for durability, technology, efficiency and convenience with features never before offered in a pickup. The Ram 1500 features up to 12,750 pounds of towing capability (5.7-liter HEMI V-8) and 2,300 pounds of payload. Ram’s eTorque mild hybrid system delivers improved fuel efficiency in both V-6 (standard) and V-8 configurations. As a segment disrupter, the new Uconnect 4C with a massive 12-inch touchscreen leads the pickup world in technology, featuring split-screen capability, 360-degree camera views and exclusive content from SiriusXM with 360L. Active safety and security systems include adaptive cruise control, Forward Collision Warning, Blind-spot Monitoring and Ready Alert Braking. Class-leading ride and handling is accomplished via a class-exclusive link-coil rear suspension system with optional Active-level four-corner air suspension. The 2020 Ram 1500 also features twice the interior storage capacity versus the competition.
       
      Unsurpassed powertrain warranty – five years/100,000 miles
      The 2020 Ram 1500 is backed with a five-year /100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty. The powertrain-limited warranty covers the cost of all parts and labor needed to repair a covered powertrain component – engine, transmission and drive system.
       
      The standard three-year/36,000-mile Basic Limited Warranty provides bumper-to-bumper coverage for the Ram 1500, from the body to the electrical system.
       
      Manufacturing
      The 2020 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is built at the Sterling Heights Assembly Plant (SHAP) in Sterling Heights, Michigan.
       
      About Ram Truck Brand
      In 2009, the Ram Truck brand launched as a stand-alone division, focused on meeting the demands of truck buyers and delivering benchmark-quality vehicles.
       
      That focus leads Ram to design the industry’s most innovative, award-winning trucks, emphasizing durability, strength, technology and efficiency.
       
      With a full lineup of trucks, including ProMaster and ProMaster City vans, the Ram brand builds trucks that get the hard work done and families where they need to go. From the no-compromise Ram 1500 that defines the future of pickup trucks with innovative design, the highest quality materials and class-exclusive technology, to the Ram Heavy Duty which combines the ability to out-power, out-tow and out-haul every single competitor with the segment’s most comfortable ride and handling, Ram is committed to product leadership.
       
      Ram continues to outperform the competition and sets the benchmarks for: Most powerful: 1,000 lb.-ft of torque with Cummins Turbo Diesel Highest towing capacity: 35,100 lbs. with Ram 3500 Heaviest payloads: 7,680 lbs. with Ram 3500 Most luxurious: Ram Limited with real wood, real leather and 12-inch Uconnect touchscreen Best ride and handling with exclusive link coil rear and auto-level air suspensions Most interior space with Ram Mega Cab Most capable full-size off-road pickup – Ram Power Wagon Most-awarded light-duty truck in America Highest owner loyalty of any half-ton pickup Over the last 30 years, Ram has the highest percentage of pickups still on the road
      Giving maximum effort all day, every day with confidence, the Ram Truck lineup steps forward with the full force of modern capability providing confidence-inspiring features and class-exclusive vehicle safety.
    • By Drew Dowdell
      Volkswagen is introducing a new generation of diesel engines with the 2.0 TDI Evo. This new engine is said to greatly undercut the limits of the tough new Euro 6d-Temp emissions standards. Volkwagen posted an interview with Sebastian Willmann, the Head of Diesel Engine Development at Volkswagen. In that interview he says that VW was able to reduce fuel consumption by 0.4 L/100km compared to the previous engine and reduce CO2 emissions by 10g/km.  They did both of these things while also increasing power output. 
      He further went on to explain that while there is a stigma surrounding diesel engines because of dieselgate, the diesel is still quite popular for its efficiency, range, and torque. Now, with this new engine, it is also substantially cleaner compared to prior engines.  He says that diesels will remain especially effective for vehicles that require a longer range or extra torque for towing.
      These statements are in contrast to the direction that VW as a whole is taking in the segment of electric vehicles.  VW has committed billions of euros to the development of an entire EV range.  The first EV, the ID.3 is expected in Europe in early 2020 with top line models having a range of 342 miles on a charge. Reservations of the Volkswagen ID.3 topped 10,000 in its first 24 hours it was available. 

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