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It's Official: Commodore coming to US as a Pontiac

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Northstar    11

It's official: Holden’s Commodore is heading to America as General Motors forges ahead on a BMW-rivalling compact sedan.

A Pontiac-badged Commodore will be unveiled at the Chicago motor show in 2007, signalling the start of the Commodore’s global tour.

Speaking at this week's Paris motor show, General Motors product guru Bob Lutz did more than hint that the Commodore would wear a Pontiac nose and badges before long.

“Come to the Chicago auto show and all we be revealed,” said a smiling Lutz, who earlier praised Holden and the new Commodore for being one of “the best vehicles GM has produced”.

Speculation has been rife about Commodores being built in other markets, but nothing has been confirmed to date.

However Lutz’s admission to drive.com.au confirms the rumours that the Commodore could be built in markets such as the United States to provide a large, rear-drive car to help revive General Motors’ ageing vehicles.

The Commodore’s architecture is also expected to spawn many more rear-drive cars within the General Motors world, starting with the born-again Chevrolet Camaro that was unveiled at the 2006 Detroit motor show in concept form.

The Pontiac “Commodore”, which is expected to wear a different name when it goes on sale in the States in 2007, is not the first time a Pontiac has been spawned from a Holden. Three years ago Holden sent Monaros to the 'States with fresh noses and Pontiac GTO badges to revive one of the most famous nameplates in Pontiac’s history.

Like that car, the rebadged Commodore is expected to get some minor changes, including the classic Pontiac twin-nostril grille.

GM considers Torana

Also at the Paris show Lutz confirmed that General Motors is forging ahead with plans to produce a compact, rear-drive car to rival premium sedans from BMW and Lexus. And it could lead to the revival of the Torana, which was born-again as a concept in 2004.

Lutz admitted a new rear-drive small car is on General Motors’ radar to compete with other dynamically-focussed small sedans such as the Lexus IS250 and BMW 3-Series.

“As we look at rising fuel prices and the success of the (BMW) 1-Series in Europe … we are telling ourselves one of the things we’d like to investigate – and I stress, investigate – is a smaller, lighter, rear-wheel-drive architecture,” he says.

The comments fuel longer-term expectations that the Torana could be reborn as a smaller, more fuel efficient alternative to the Commodore. However, Lutz stressed any such project would not be simply a “shrunken Commodore”.

“The probability of a VE being shrunk is very remote,” said Lutz. “It never works well to take a large architecture and shrink it.”

Lutz also said that any such small, rear-drive vehicle would be designed from the outset with a four-cylinder engine.

While he said a larger engine is a possibility for a such a car, he wanted the small, rear-drive platform vehicle to be initially designed as a four-cylinder.

“It will be smaller, lighter and more agile (than a Commodore),” says Lutz.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleD...eID=20396&vf=12

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jbartley    0

(a) so what's it going to be? G8? GP? a new name?

(b) a smaller-torana based vehicle. Small, light, RWD, 4cylinder...

it would be a great g5 or G6 replacement. A real pontiac performer.

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SimonDavid    0

This is brilliant news

They must have made it federal - proof when they were developing it because it's only just gone on sale in Australia

Im guessing it will be more of a niche product than the future Impala

Also, Australians do like conservative styling on their big cars, I wonder how well that will fly in the US

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thegriffon    5

(a) so what's it going to be? G8? GP? a new name?

(b) a smaller-torana based vehicle. Small, light, RWD, 4cylinder...

it would be a great g5 or G6 replacement. A real pontiac performer.

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Not a Torana-based vehicle. The Torana concept used a platform larger then the Camaro's, and Lutz is talking about something much, much smaller—not much bigger than the Kappa sports car architecture. Edited by thegriffon

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Dsuupr    12

So I wonder when the small sedan will be out. I'm guessing they will show us a concept at this years auto shows, only to have the vehicle out in about 2 years.

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ocnblu    773

While I'm very happy to have a RWD Pontiac sedan, I'm less than thrilled by the prospect of another rebadged Holden. Pontiac needs a car of their own, styled by Americans with a feel for Pontiac's very proud history. The Australian cars, while handsome, are too bland to wear the Pontiac name. This will be GTO mk II, I fear.

I really hope I'm wrong.

On the prospect of the smaller RWD architecture, that is fantastic news. Very promising.

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So the G6 is in the same place as the Malibu? i.e. possibly becoming larger to "replace" the Grand Prix FWD?

But yeah, I hope it's not just a straight rebadge. The Commodore right now is not bad looking but a bit plain.

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balthazar    2,004

While I'm very happy to have a RWD Pontiac sedan, I'm less than thrilled by the prospect of another rebadged Holden.  Pontiac needs a car of their own, styled by Americans with a feel for Pontiac's very proud history.  The Australian cars, while handsome, are too bland to wear the Pontiac name.  This will be GTO mk II, I fear.

I really hope I'm wrong.

Agreed 100%.

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big blue    1

While I'm very happy to have a RWD Pontiac sedan, I'm less than thrilled by the prospect of another rebadged Holden.  Pontiac needs a car of their own, styled by Americans with a feel for Pontiac's very proud history.  The Australian cars, while handsome, are too bland to wear the Pontiac name.  This will be GTO mk II, I fear.

I really hope I'm wrong.

On the prospect of the smaller RWD architecture, that is fantastic news.  Very promising.

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That's also my fear. It IS a little bland and I'm hoping we can apply some character to the car. Although if you think about it the G6 has one of the blandest rears ever but the car is attractive enough to be Pontiac's best seller. So maybe the rebadged Holden might no do so bad afterall...

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Cadillacfan    0

Very exciting news! Though, I find the Torrana to be the really important news for the future of GM. Can anyone say new 3-series competitor from Cadillac? Now that the CTS appears to be moving up a weight class, a small RWD platform would be a much better idea then the Epsilon II platform simply because it's RWD.

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enzl    0

Key to this one is pricing, which I think killed the GTO...if its a $25k base sedan with 3/5 series performance, it'll rock. If, like the GTO, we only get $32k+ models, you'll see the same problem arise.

IMO, the GTO appealed to the guys who were Pontiac diehards looking for a top of the line T/A replacement. Anyone looking for 'Formula' or base model Firebird replacements were completely excluded from the GTO.

Great news that the Holden will be available for an '08 model year intro, although it sounds like it may be built, at least initially, elsewhere.

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lakefire    0

I'll buy one. Has exactly what I want. Manual Tranny, RWD, and some nice hp. Styling is perfect. All that old school cladding from pontiac is awful. Americans want more subtle style like the audis, old bmw's, or vw's

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I hope that at least forty-percent of the car is different from the Holden, especially when it comes to styling cues on the hi-po models, like the GX/P. The base Commodore bodystyle is nice, but the upper level models are starting to look a little overcooked to me everytime I see them.

Let's hope that this has been in the works for awhile, especially in the styling department.

Otherwise, it's nice to see rear-drive come back to Pontiac. The compact rear-driver may actually be something I'll look into purchasing into the future. 8):thumbsup:

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titan    0

This is great news. The Pontiac "Commodore" (Grand Prix, I hope) will make a great 5-Series alternative. Even better, a Pontiac "Torana" based 3-Series competitor would be awesome. I think it'd be wise to get rid of the G6 and G5, and replace it with a "Torana" based coupe and sedan. Since there's only the G6 and G5 with alpha-numberic names, if the two cars replaced its not to late to return to real names for the lineup.

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