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I can't stand bush...

... I even disliked it before he got in office.

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I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

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I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

If we elect Clinton, McCain or Obama, it doesn't matter, they cannot undo 8 years of stupidity. Gas prices wont go down, but hopefully they wont inflate as rapidly as they have during El Retardo's reign of Terror.

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If we elect Clinton, McCain or Obama, it doesn't matter, they cannot undo 8 years of stupidity. Gas prices wont go down, but hopefully they wont inflate as rapidly as they have during El Retardo's reign of Terror.

Hopefully, yes.

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>>"I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in."<<

I would not expect ANY price change directly related solely to Bush leaving office. But I am still hearing analysts (another one today) say the fundamentals for oil only support circa $80/barrel by this summer.

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I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

maybe even increase... possible regulations would hurt, McCain buys at least half of the Global Warming stuff... and immensly surpised if either donkey running wouldn't support the hysteria too.

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I am very curious as to how much of a price drop in gasoline there will be once Bush's term in office ends and the new President is ushered in.

Something tells me not to expect a drastic decrease.

For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

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What happens if/when US pulls out of Iraq and the whole region destabilizes?

It's destabilized already, and it's been like that for quite some time. But if the US pulled out of Iraq today, a larger portion of the proverbial &#036;h&#33; would hit the proverbial fan.

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For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

The main two things we can do to help with our deficit;

1. Encourage and support leaders who will get us out of Iraq and other countries that we are blowing money on

2. Buy American made & owned. Vote in a President that will do major reform to the trade acts we currently have.

Yes, you can make a difference.

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:scratchchin:

I'm not at all confident that any of the three candidates will have a meaningful impact on the cost of oil.

In fact, I'm thinking that maybe we should choose one of them based not on what they will do better, but on how much what they intend to do will make things worse.

I can't see a clear winner when I look at it that way.

I'm thinking that our next president would be a real hero by simply stabilizing things and not raising the level of chaos.

I guess I'm just hoping for a single term president with the power to calm things down.

It will be the administration which follows that must be all action. Bold steps forward founded on the calm of my hypothetical one-termer.

I know it's an odd viewpoint, and I've just recently arrived at it, but it makes more and more sense to me all the time.

I just think we could all do with a 4-year "timeout".

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I can't stand bush...

... I even disliked it before he got in office.

I've always respected you, but my admiration grew by an order of magnatude when you said this...

Chris

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I'm not at all confident that any of the three candidates will have a meaningful impact on the cost of oil.

In fact, I'm thinking that maybe we should choose one of them based not on what they will do better, but on how much what they intend to do will make things worse.

I can't see a clear winner when I look at it that way.

I'm thinking that our next president would be a real hero by simply stabilizing things and not raising the level of chaos.

I guess I'm just hoping for a single term president with the power to calm things down.

It will be the administration which follows that must be all action. Bold steps forward founded on the calm of my hypothetical one-termer.

I know it's an odd viewpoint, and I've just recently arrived at it, but it makes more and more sense to me all the time.

I just think we could all do with a 4-year "timeout".

This is pretty much my thinking also for what it is worth. Clinton has the brains, Obama has the public speaking ability, and McCain has the experience but none of them thrill me.

I will pretty much be voting for Obama in the hopes that exactly that will happen, a 4 year time out.

Chris

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And as for the price of oil, given the vallue of the dollar, the rise in demand in India and China, our inability to conserve and cut back, and the fact that we are burning tons of the stuff in a mindless war in the middle east...

expect about $5.50 per gallon by the end of that next 4 year term.

Getting back to cars, all of this really makes me sad. There is a wicked silver 70 Nova cruising around Grove City Ohio here and I am again in automotive lust. (forget internet porn, who needs sex when you have cars?)

But I really can't justify a ground pounding big block right now.

But Oh my Freaking God how I want one...

Chris

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Iraq is a wild card, I think. Other than that, a good old recession will put the brakes on oil prices. If U.S. consumption drops a few percentage points, it will put a drag on prices, followed a few months later by a downturn in the economy of China.

I think we are going to see a more interesting cycle for the near future as the economies of the U.S. and China become so entwined and collectively we both have such a large global impact on consumption of resources.

I don't see OPEC as the culprit any more. That was true 5 or so years ago. I think the rising economies of India, China and Brazil are having more of an impact. Don't forget, Russia is now the world's largest exporter of oil, not Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately, as Russian production has risen, so has consumption in non-traditional countries, like China.

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This is pretty much my thinking also for what it is worth. Clinton has the brains, Obama has the public speaking ability, and McCain has the experience but none of them thrill me.

I will pretty much be voting for Obama in the hopes that exactly that will happen, a 4 year time out.

Chris

I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

I still can't believe that it all happened the way it has, simply amazing.

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For oil prices to go down, the dollar needs to get stronger, and for that to happen, either interest rates need to go up or the federal government needs to reduce its deficit substantially. We need to end the war in Iraq, and we need to reverse most of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

i don't know about Nader, but RP wants to exit asap and safely. Gravel (now libertarian i think) has a 120day exit plan. the tax cuts...I believe those are always good, it supposedly raised more federal income from other sources, like trade/economy increase

The main two things we can do to help with our deficit;

1. Encourage and support leaders who will get us out of Iraq and other countries that we are blowing money on

2. Buy American made & owned. Vote in a President that will do major reform to the trade acts we currently have.

Yes, you can make a difference.

not only IRAQ but also the other ~140 countries we subsidize because of our military bases. I think i saw a report that Ecuador has passed a bill to basically kick our military out of their country. (YAY!)

I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

there are more than 3 people to vote for, if one of the others fits your ideals better...I think there is something to be said about people that vote for the least compromising person of their ideals, even if that candidate has <1% to make it. hope that makes sense.

as I said above, if the "3" candidates running win the election...don't expect better change in oil prices directly because of them.

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I have yet to reach a firm decision on who I'm for.

The fact that I feel this way is testament to how badly our current fool has performed. It is stunning to think that any president could squander the golden opportunity provided by the worldwide goodwill in the aftermath of 9/11.

I still can't believe that it all happened the way it has, simply amazing.

At a rally a man shouted at Obama, "You'd make a much better President than G.W. Bush"

Obama shouted back, "So would you!"

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I see there is such a hate for Mr. Bush while I agree with some of his postions many others I don't. Back in 2000 and 2004 no better alternative was out there. Therefore by the lesser of evils he got my vote. I wish we wouldn't all be so quick to throw stones at the man. You folks are right GWB has made some bone headed decisions no-child left behind is just one. I want cheap gas as bad as the next guy, but seriously is that going to happen? Sure it could but, holding my breath for any of these three poor canidates to change that is unlikely. At any rate I know who I won't be voting for and that is Obama. I am more likely to vote for McCain but Mrs. Clinton is sounding better ever day. Then again I am just a good ol' country boy. But I have always been slow to critize and am sure to share credit. It is not all GWB's fault, the congress has a lower approval rating than him, if we all fail it is together. I personally think were not failing but going through a struggle and trust me buying General Motors product at time like this is just what this country needs to help our economy, not to mention workers. :AH-HA_wink: At any rate none of the canidates have it all, they all are missing something some more than others. I try to stay out of politics, come November it will be a tough choice between the two no doubt. Ask me today, I say McCain, but he is liberal republican that in and of itself bothers me. So yes we have to face it we gotta listen to this &#036;h&#33; another few months and watch every single one play the ol' dirty Washington tricks but when it comes down to it... They are all vein people who want power some more than others. I look at who the nominees could have been and shake my head how did we get stuck with this &#036;h&#33;? Guess will know what pile of &#036;h&#33; we'll get stuck with by Christmas, then I can have one lump of coal, two lumps of coal possibly three. :yes: Anyways... NO TOYOTA! :Toyota:

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What I don't get is that, just yesterday, I saw some new poll that 80% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. And another recent poll said Bush's approval rating is the lowest ever. Yet how can the candidate who is most like Bush (McCain), who aligns himself with him, etc. be so competitive. You know the poll, "If the election were held today and McCain ran against ---, who would win?" It ought to be a landslide in favor of one of the Democrats, yet the ratings state otherwise.

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What I don't get is that, just yesterday, I saw some new poll that 80% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. And another recent poll said Bush's approval rating is the lowest ever. Yet how can the candidate who is most like Bush (McCain), who aligns himself with him, etc. be so competitive. You know the poll, "If the election were held today and McCain ran against ---, who would win?" It ought to be a landslide in favor of one of the Democrats, yet the ratings state otherwise.

yeah, I know what you mean. but "all the candidates" are also from the senate... so it prolly cancels somewhat. I think it's just a general apathy/untrust of the gov't that these polls show....or typical party politics, which help noone.

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What people need to understand is that you can buy a oil or gasoline contract the same way you can buy a share of GM or Toyota,by buying the contract you INCREASE the price.OIL and GASOLINE are investments tools.

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