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Toyota opens new front in truck war

With new Texas factory, Japanese maker takes aim at Ford and Chevy

Indeed, the new 2007 Tundra is much larger and more powerful than its predecessor, with a 5.7-liter, 381-horsepower V-8 engine, compared with the old 271 horses. Trucks start rolling off the San Antonio assembly line next month and hit the showrooms early next year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15319160/from/RS.5/

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Toyota opens new front in truck war

With new Texas factory, Japanese maker takes aim at Ford and Chevy

Indeed, the new 2007 Tundra is much larger and more powerful than its predecessor, with a 5.7-liter, 381-horsepower V-8 engine, compared with the old 271 horses. Trucks start rolling off the San Antonio assembly line next month and hit the showrooms early next year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15319160/from/RS.5/

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its not about power... its about power & efficency...

Dodge has the SRT8 or the SRT10 even... that outpower the vortecMax...

the whats the fuel ecconomy?

the chevy has 367 hp... and 15-19 fuel ecconomy...

the 5.3 has 315 hp/338 tq with 16/22 (1 mpg worse then the 5cyl colorodo of 17/23)

the 4.8 has 16/20 mpg at 290hp...

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I'm not a truck guy so I don't know what's considered great in trucks.

But talking about efficiency, the 4.6-liter V8 in the Lexus LS460 puts out 380 HP and 370 lb-ft of torque. (also gets 19mpg city and 27mpg highway)

So I don't know if that would be indicative of what we can expect in terms of torque and mileage for the 2007 Tundra

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I'm not a truck guy so I don't know what's considered great in trucks.

But talking about efficiency, the 4.6-liter V8 in the Lexus LS460 puts out 380 HP and 370 lb-ft of torque. (also gets 19mpg city and 27mpg highway)

So I don't know if that would be indicative of what we can expect in terms of torque and mileage for the 2007 Tundra

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The 2006 Tundra 4wd is rated at 15 city, 18 highway with the 4.7 liter V-8 and 5 speed automatic transmission. The 4.7 is rated at 271-hp.

[sources: fueleconomy.gov and toyota.com]

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True, but then again, Toyota has demonstrated how fast they can progress in engineering from one generation to the next.

Consider the Lexus LS430 and the LS460.

LS430

4.3 Liter V8

290 HP

320 lb-ft

18/25

LS460

4.6 Liter V8

380 HP

370 lb-ft

19/27

Or consider Camry

2006 Camry

3.3 Liter V6

210 HP

220 lb-ft

21/29

2007 Camry

3.5-liter V6

268 HP

248 lb-ft

22/31

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The upcoming Tundra is a much larger truck than the current model. The new model is slightly larger than the current generation GM fullsize pickups if you review the dimensions. Also the payload and towing capacity are increasing as well. With all that new weight and size, I wouldn't expect better mileage in the new model...I'd expect the MPG to be in the same range as the current truck as that's where most of the competitors trucks are.

For comparison, my 2000 Sierra x-cab 4x4 with the 5.3 V-8 is rated at 15/18 with 285hp. It's a larger and heavier vehicle than the current Tundra, only has a 4 speed automatic vs. the Tundra's 5 speed, and lacks the DOHC and VVTi features the Tundra has...yet they're rated the same for MPG.

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What's the torque and where is it made?

The Vortec MAX torque curve is extremely flat. It has over 300lb-ft from about 1400rpm all the way through the rev range. The 5.3 has over 300lb-ft from aboutu 1600rpm all the way to about 5500rpm.

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Here's another thing, this will likely be the top model, right?

Wake me up when Toyota gives the details on its midline V8(s) that will directly compete with GM's 5.3L, Ford's 5.4L and Dodge's 5.7L?

That's where the money will be made.

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True, but then again, Toyota has demonstrated how fast they can progress in engineering from one generation to the next.

Consider the Lexus LS430 and the LS460.

LS430

4.3 Liter V8

290 HP

320 lb-ft

18/25

LS460

4.6 Liter V8

380 HP

370 lb-ft

19/27

Or consider Camry

2006 Camry

3.3 Liter V6

210 HP

220 lb-ft

21/29

2007 Camry

3.5-liter V6

268 HP

248 lb-ft

22/31

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some weights and transmissions used would help a lot too...

nice they only give a HP number! HAH! i bet the torque will be substantial...but how will the curve look compared to the hemis and MAXs and fords.... uh....

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Here's another thing, this will likely be the top model, right?

Wake me up when Toyota gives the details on its midline V8(s) that will directly compete with GM's 5.3L, Ford's 5.4L and Dodge's 5.7L?

That's where the money will be made.

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The 5.7 is the top engine on the 1500 model save the SRT, but that's not a work truck. same with the 5.4...the 5.3 i dunno about, haven't looked closely at the new Sliverado's specs.

If those numbers are true, I will admit it's impressive...but still the last truck I'd ever consider. (well maybe above the Titan, but the Titan at least is innovative).

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Now are we talking REAL, SAE horsepower numbers, or Toyota's horsepower numbers? You know, the ones that have a padded 20 or 30 horsepower?

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I sense a lot of paranoia in this thread.

What ridiculous responses.

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Natural response in some people..they fear the unknown.

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Ridiculous in what way? That Toyota and Honda didn't mislead the crap out of us last year with their published horsepower numbers?

Nothing to do with paranoia. Every time Toyota hauls out another vehicle, the media lines up to praise it and sing doom and gloom for Detroit.

But remember this: in 1995 when the T-100 came out (and it was the end of Detroit), the Big Three had 87% of the truck market. Last year, after an onslaught of models and redesigns from Japan and elsewhere, the Big 2.5 still have 85% of the market.

I have no doubt that Japan Inc will eventually figure it out, but not today. Just look at the Titan's sales and quality rankings.

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Ridiculous in what way?  That Toyota and Honda didn't mislead the crap out of us last year with their published horsepower numbers?

  Nothing to do with paranoia.  Every time Toyota hauls out another vehicle, the media lines up to praise it and sing doom and gloom for Detroit.

  But remember this: in 1995 when the T-100 came out (and it was the end of Detroit), the Big Three had 87% of the truck market.  Last year, after an onslaught of models and redesigns from Japan and elsewhere, the Big 2.5 still have 85% of the market.

  I have no doubt that Japan Inc will eventually figure it out, but not today.  Just look at the Titan's sales and quality rankings.

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I believe all manufacturers are using SAE figure since MY 2006. I think.

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Do you have even the faintest clue about what happened there? If Toyota had actually misled people, don't you think they'd have a million lawsuits on their hands by now?

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What happened is that the new ratings are using a different standard rather than manufacturers using their own standard. It made it easier to compare engines. Their ratings went down and GMs engines went up which means that GM's standards for testing output numbers were closer to that of the new SAE standard than that of Toyota.

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Do you have even the faintest clue about what happened there? If Toyota had actually misled people, don't you think they'd have a million lawsuits on their hands by now?

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They don't have a million law suits because Toyota could have said "we rated it by using this method" and their number would have been perfectly justifiable under than method, even if it's not the correct way of doing it.

What ridiculous responses.

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Speak for yourself...

But talking about efficiency, the 4.6-liter V8 in the Lexus LS460 puts out 380 HP and 370 lb-ft of torque. (also gets 19mpg city and 27mpg highway)

So I don't know if that would be indicative of what we can expect in terms of torque and mileage for the 2007 Tundra

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I am surprised at the apparent lack of rear seat legroom:

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The driver's seat is reclined, but the passenger seat looks like it's in a normal position, and there's not much more room behind it.

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