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I'm still pissed that it will be built in the US starting early 09, yet won't go on sale until early 2010. Stupid, stupid, STUPID.

Yeah, what's up with that? It's going to be built in the US, but shipped to Europe? Seems odd...I would think they would be building it in Europe as well..

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Looks a lot better than it did in the spy shots. Still not really sure about the huge new Chevy grille. It works better on the Malibu, but even there I think it's a little big.

Its my favorite thing about the new Chevy cars. I think its bold and in your face. Pointedly American, especially with the big bowtie in the middle.

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Looks a lot better than it did in the spy shots. Still not really sure about the huge new Chevy grille. It works better on the Malibu, but even there I think it's a little big.

The curve of the hood dipping into the light cluster looks a bit odd in the head-on view...makes it look angry and aggro, which is what they were trying to achieve, I think..interesting that the bar with the bowtie is set so high in the grille rather than centered.

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Overall it looks good, but I would have liked to see the bar across the middle of the grille, rather than near the top of the grille. The tailights look like they were inspired by a Camry or the old GS300, not really a fan of the back. 2011 model year is a while away, Civic and Fit are updated for 09 and new Mazda 3 for 2010, plus the Euro Fords will be here by then, and the Insight comes out next year and is supposed to get 60 mpg or something crazy. GM coming 2 years later with a 40 mpg car isn't going to make a big impact.

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Overall it looks good, but I would have liked to see the bar across the middle of the grille, rather than near the top of the grille. The tailights look like they were inspired by a Camry or the old GS300, not really a fan of the back. 2011 model year is a while away, Civic and Fit are updated for 09 and new Mazda 3 for 2010, plus the Euro Fords will be here by then, and the Insight comes out next year and is supposed to get 60 mpg or something crazy. GM coming 2 years later with a 40 mpg car isn't going to make a big impact.

Same old GM story, seems like.

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It will be interesting to see what other bodystyles come..the taillights remind me a bit of the Euro Civic sedan. I assume for the US there will a coupe and probably hatchbacks and a wagon for other markets. Looks like it will be competitive. A solid design.

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Not bad at all as far as styling goes... this definately

makes the Cobalt 4dr sedan look like a Daewoo.

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I don't like the big tail lights, they look just like the new 7-Series, which I also don't like. Overall It looks much better and more sophisticated than the Cobalt. Too bad GM is retarded and we won't get the car for almost 2 years. :banghead:

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Great way to encourage fans to wait for the next gen product.

Not sure why GM does this---are they afraid people will think they have nothing on the way?

I appreciate that the product is supposed to be better, but I don't get how this helps sell Cobalts in 08 & 09.

Is somebody with some insiders insight have any clue what GM's reason is for doing these early reveals? At least the Camaro had no predecessor to ruin sales while fans waited.

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In typical GM fashion, I do like the design at first glance. However, upon closer inspection some of the design language bugs me.

With three minor tweaks to the exterior styling, this car would look 100x better IMHO.

1. Make the side crease not slope down quite so quickly, and carry all the way forward. Eliminate the front fender crease and make the main side crease meet the head lights.

2. The grille is pretty good, but still needs work. Make the bottom portion slightly smaller, perhaps just an inch or even 1/2 inch shorter.

3. Get rid of the head light spike, and make the head lights more stylized by sloping down and inwards a little more, perhaps a half inch.

It's only 100% better looking than the Cobalt already.

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I think the tail lights are okay...

You know what the profile & nose remind me?

It's like a very pissed off, more muscular

version of the Sonata, which itself is a pretty

clean design but a bit plain.

Maybe this mom was a Cavalier Z24, and dad

was a german-spec. Opel Astra, but with some

cross breeding on the grandfather's side....

the cool, angry fascia is the Buick-Opel side of

the family, which itself has some traces of '59

Buick DNA from the previous generation. :P

Ohhh-kaaaaaaaay. Time to take my meds, or

perhaps the problem is that I'm NOT really on

any medication. (what's in this water?)

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Looks promising. Hopefully it won't be dated by the time it actually comes out here. Also, I really hope Chevy has learned from the Cobalt--even though it may have been good for a year or so, the competition can change and the new Civic just destroyed it. The Cobalt became very old very fast.

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Here in Europe we get a wagon version, don't know about that for the US.

Oh I hope we get a Wagon version of the Cruze or NG Astra... or that Ford brings over the Estate version of the Euro Focus. Small wagons are really popular in Canada.

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With the arched roofline and side creases and fender arches, if it had a a quarter window instead of the lame black plastic behind the rear door, the side profile would almost be Audi-esque, like a sedan version of the A3 might look...

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With the arched roofline and side creases and fender arches, if it had a a quarter window instead of the lame black plastic behind the rear door, the side profile would almost be Audi-esque, like a sedan version of the A3 might look...

Yup... that's MY biggest complaint. :angry:

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I like the front clip. Everything aft of the B-pillar looks generic.

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Did you know that B-pillars are responsible for the

assasination of JFK (& framing of Oswald) as well

as the Black Plague & even the spread of HIV!?

Recent evidence has come to light that points to

B-pillars in the John Bennet Ramsey case... :P

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B-pillars are the DEVIL.

Did you know that B-pillars are responsible for the

assasination of JFK (& framing of Oswald) as well

as the Black Plague & even the spread of HIV!?

Recent evidence has come to light that points to

B-pillars in the John Bennet Ramsey case... :P

Now, now..68..take your meds and relax. B-pillars are GOOD..they provide strength and safety.

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B-pillars are the DEVIL.

Did you know that B-pillars are responsible for the

assasination of JFK (& framing of Oswald) as well

as the Black Plague & even the spread of HIV!?

Recent evidence has come to light that points to

B-pillars in the John Bennet Ramsey case... :P

Glass of water for Mr. Panther!

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This is pretty stupid to release... two years early? It looks good nonetheless, and I guess we'd see it anyways sense it's going to be in Europe. Still, it is ridiculous that we have to wait for it, even if we get the 1.4L turbo from the start as a result. It will be a case of releasing it with all the engines for once from GM, but in this case, that is the wrong choice.

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Darn this thing looks sharp. I had a hunch and if GM has a brain you will see this sometime in mid-late 2009. I am betting look at how EARLY the offical photos are being released. GM you can almost give yourselfs another pat on the back, ahhh let me get a look at the interior before I make my final judgement.

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Darn this thing looks sharp. I had a hunch and if GM has a brain you will see this sometime in mid-late 2009. I am betting look at how EARLY the offical photos are being released. GM you can almost give yourselfs another pat on the back, ahhh let me get a look at the interior before I make my final judgement.

Yes, these aren't like prototype photos...they look like a production version...

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I think it looks great. Chevrolet has finally moved beyond the compact sedan styling language that they originated with the '95 Cavalier (For some reason, the Cobalt's styling looked like an evolution of the '95 Cavalier's styling to me).

There are only two minor details about the exterior that need to be addressed:

1) My major pet peeve: the black plastic fakeout on the C-pillar. Chevy needs to lose it and have the chrome trim surround the actual window area (which would make it look more upscale). Without the fakeout, the car will take on a sort of Mazda3 profile, but that isn't a bad thing. I rather see the car somewhat resemble the Mazda3 than to see that (Sebring-esque) cheap looking black plastic slab on the C-pillar. I don't know why designers or car companies think this styling practice is acceptable or attractive.

2) I like the Chevy bowtie symbol, but does it have to be gold colored? I would rather see the bowtie hollow in the middle or solid chrome. Gold colored anything on a car looks ghetto to me.

Other than these two minor issues, I think Chevy did a fantastic job with this car. I do agree with many of you about the delay in introducing the product to the U.S. market. With the tremendous slide toward smaller cars in this market, why should the brand's home market be the last to receive it? That just ain't right!

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I think it looks great. Chevrolet has finally moved beyond the compact sedan styling language that they originated with the '95 Cavalier (For some reason, the Cobalt's styling looked like an evolution of the '95 Cavalier's styling to me).

Yes, the profile of the 2dr Cobalt strongly resembles the Cavalier..the 4dr less so.

2) I like the Chevy bowtie symbol, but does it have to be gold colored? I would rather see the bowtie hollow in the middle or solid chrome. Gold colored anything on a car looks ghetto to me.

I'd like to see Chevy bring back the chrome bowties with the blue inset.

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Great way to encourage fans to wait for the next gen product.

Not sure why GM does this---are they afraid people will think they have nothing on the way?

I appreciate that the product is supposed to be better, but I don't get how this helps sell Cobalts in 08 & 09.

Is somebody with some insiders insight have any clue what GM's reason is for doing these early reveals? At least the Camaro had no predecessor to ruin sales while fans waited.

Market value and PR?

:shrugs:

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FRONT: Freakin' awesome!!!

SIDE: Generic and bland.

BACK: Terrible crossbreed between a GME model and a Korean car.

I certainly hope it sells, but unless GM comes out with a more aggressive package with bigger wheels, better performance and revised taillights; not for me.

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Yeah, what's up with that? It's going to be built in the US, but shipped to Europe? Seems odd...I would think they would be building it in Europe as well..

Keep the jobs in America. Our money is so devalued, GM can make a killing building these here and exporting them.

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It's not being built in the US next year and shipped to Europe. That is the 7-seat Delta MPV. Initial production of the sedan will be in Korea (October 2008 or so), followed by Russia (later in 2009) and finally the US (2010). Plants in Central Asia, Latin America, Southeast Asia, India, Ukraine, China and possibly Poland (EU) will serve markets in their regions.

You are seeing photos now because, well, Korean sales begin in several weeks and European sales in the Spring. The red car after all is a European model, hence the chunky European plates. The photos will be out there, it's pointless pretending they doesn't exist because US production and sale is further off.

The launch engines are the same as those offered in the Astra, but will be built in Korea. The 1.6 is a higher-tune version of that in the 2009 Aveo, the 1.8 the same as that offered in the Astra. The diesel is a VM Motori design upgraded and built by GM Daewoo and currently used in the Epica, Captiva, Antara and in lower-tune form in the Optra. Mercedes' 2.0 L diesel (not used by Chrysler) appears to be a DOHC version (the standard VM design is 16V SOHC), and Hyundai also licensed the design.

$350 million will be spent on the plant in Lordstown (tooling etc.) and $150 million on US homologation (a mere tenth of what a brand-new Cobalt would have cost).

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With the arched roofline and side creases and fender arches, if it had a a quarter window instead of the lame black plastic behind the rear door, the side profile would almost be Audi-esque, like a sedan version of the A3 might look...

I think the first place this arched roof line showed up is the 2003 Saturn ION.

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I'm probably in the minority but I don't like much of it... at all. I see a mass of lines that don't flow well. It's a generic design with a Chevy grill popped onto it to make it look 'American' and unique or something like that. It doesn't look good. It's a bad design in my eyes.

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You're not alone, BV. I'm not a fan, at all. It's not a cohesive design at all. The front looks Korean, the sides look European, and the rear looks Japanese. None of it looks American, and that's the worst part to me. Chevy's an American institution, but outside of the US it's just another car company. What would've been the harm in giving the car a thorough, distinctive American design and show the world what Chevy's really all about? When they're done right, American designs do sell overseas (HHR, Corvette, CTS come to mind). I'm thoroughly disappointed in how this car turned out, and as long as I give a crap about cars I'll never own one. I'll either run my Cobalt (whose design I much prefer to this thing) into the ground or leave the Chevy fold if I need my next car to be compact.

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Its decent for its class but I expect the next Mazda and Honda alternatives will still have more refinement and looks that are more appealing to younger drivers. Oh and I'm still not a fan of hood seams visible on the side of vehicles.

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I'm probably in the minority but I don't like much of it... at all. I see a mass of lines that don't flow well. It's a generic design with a Chevy grill popped onto it to make it look 'American' and unique or something like that. It doesn't look good. It's a bad design in my eyes.

hyundai sonata greenhouse

daewoo / chevy epica rear end

semi decent front

terrible cheaply creased side character line as bad as a sentra or elantra

if chevy was trying to make this car look korean or asian they have come close to succeeding

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You're not alone, BV. I'm not a fan, at all. It's not a cohesive design at all. The front looks Korean, the sides look European, and the rear looks Japanese. None of it looks American, and that's the worst part to me. Chevy's an American institution, but outside of the US it's just another car company. What would've been the harm in giving the car a thorough, distinctive American design and show the world what Chevy's really all about? When they're done right, American designs do sell overseas (HHR, Corvette, CTS come to mind). I'm thoroughly disappointed in how this car turned out, and as long as I give a crap about cars I'll never own one. I'll either run my Cobalt (whose design I much prefer to this thing) into the ground or leave the Chevy fold if I need my next car to be compact.

Z, GM has designated Chevy as its world brand, so it will look less and less American and more worldly as time goes on.

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Z, GM has designated Chevy as its world brand, so it will look less and less American and more worldly as time goes on.

Which is fine, because the 'big time' american character can flow over into Pontiac... Oh wait...

I do want Chevrolet to keep some american flavor though. And if this country/culture weren't so self loathing, they might appreciate that.

Then again, if this is what sells, maybe Chevy can do this and keep the american flavor in models like the Camaro and Corvette.

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Or Insignia

The Insignia is miles better than this. It's almost as they intentionally made the Chevy uglier for the low end of the market, and to leave room for Opel. Ford doesn't have this problem, and based on what we've seen so far, I think I'll prefer the upcoming Focus. I know the Fiesta is one segment smaller, but that's better looking, too.

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Malibu is relatively entirely Euro influenced, aside from a large Chevy grille [whose overall aesthetic presentation originated with Audi] and Corvette-inspired 'unique' taillights [whose overall shape is highly reminiscent of BMW], yet no one complains that car's too worldly or not American enough.

Though I can see where some of the complaints are coming on this car, I also think it's a solid entry. In particular I think the front end is great. the sculpting is very good, character lines good, and overall expression great. I think the touches of other recent Chevy concepts, including that Colorado remake at SEMA, are fabulous [bulging hood]. I'm less excited about the side profile and rear view. These could have been more distinctive. surfacing from the silver car looks great, but it looks already dated on the red car, could be lighting and angle.

the big question is how can GM continue to prioritize so poorly? The biggest car market, where the biggest weakness in small GM cars exist [now that Astra is old, slightly overpriced and outdated in the context of competition], and Korea is gonna get it almost 2 years before us?

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B-pillars are the DEVIL.

Did you know that B-pillars are responsible for the

assasination of JFK (& framing of Oswald) as well

as the Black Plague & even the spread of HIV!?

Recent evidence has come to light that points to

B-pillars in the John Bennet Ramsey case... :P

Actually, I meant to say "everything aft of the A-pillar", but somehow I typed B-pillar instead... :confused0071:

Basically I like the front clip. I agree with reg that the side is Sonata and the rear is Epica.

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Chevrolet, the quintessential American brand, goes Korean. That's my take. And it is not a compliment. The Future of GM? Murkier than ever. With Chevrolet becoming a foreign brand... why buy Chevrolet? May as well buy any foreign brand. Edited by ocnblu
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Chevrolet, the quintessential American brand, goes Korean. That's my take. And it is not a compliment. The Future of GM? Murkier than ever. With Chevrolet becoming a foreign brand... why buy Chevrolet? May as well buy any foreign brand.

Yup.

The strategy is beyond stupid.

It's as if the brain-dead folks behind it tried to take the approach that would have the least appeal globally and then promote it as a "global" car. It is least-common-denominator thinking, and insures that no one anywhere on the globe will feel a connection to the product.

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

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Chevrolet, the quintessential American brand, goes Korean. That's my take. And it is not a compliment. The Future of GM? Murkier than ever. With Chevrolet becoming a foreign brand... why buy Chevrolet? May as well buy any foreign brand.

Well, in Europe, Chevrolet is a Korean Revolution...it's line is former Daewoos..

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It's not being built in the US next year and shipped to Europe. That is the 7-seat Delta MPV. Initial production of the sedan will be in Korea (October 2008 or so), followed by Russia (later in 2009) and finally the US (2010). Plants in Central Asia, Latin America, Southeast Asia, India, Ukraine, China and possibly Poland (EU) will serve markets in their regions.

You are seeing photos now because, well, Korean sales begin in several weeks and European sales in the Spring. The red car after all is a European model, hence the chunky European plates. The photos will be out there, it's pointless pretending they doesn't exist because US production and sale is further off.

The launch engines are the same as those offered in the Astra, but will be built in Korea. The 1.6 is a higher-tune version of that in the 2009 Aveo, the 1.8 the same as that offered in the Astra. The diesel is a VM Motori design upgraded and built by GM Daewoo and currently used in the Epica, Captiva, Antara and in lower-tune form in the Optra. Mercedes' 2.0 L diesel (not used by Chrysler) appears to be a DOHC version (the standard VM design is 16V SOHC), and Hyundai also licensed the design.

$350 million will be spent on the plant in Lordstown (tooling etc.) and $150 million on US homologation (a mere tenth of what a brand-new Cobalt would have cost).

hey grif, a serious question for a moment.

How much does it really cost OEM's for platform development. Cause your suggestion that a brand new Cobalt would cost $5B to develop sounds, to me at least, to be a touch higher than I would have expected. Perhaps you can shed some light that. It might give the readership a better appreciation of the costs that OEM's, like GM, face from a business point of view.

(I mean, if a brand new Cobalt, which would draw from existing platform experiecne were to cost $5B, I have to belive that Alpha would have to be greater than that!)

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Z, GM has designated Chevy as its world brand, so it will look less and less American and more worldly as time goes on.

Then why by the "American Revolution" brand? If it it's not American it makes it much less of a valid choice overa foreign car.

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Then why by the "American Revolution" brand? If it it's not American it makes it much less of a valid choice overa foreign car.

That's just the US marketing slogan...in Europe, it's more of the Korean Revolution brand.

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the big question is how can GM continue to prioritize so poorly? The biggest car market, where the biggest weakness in small GM cars exist [now that Astra is old, slightly overpriced and outdated in the context of competition], and Korea is gonna get it almost 2 years before us?

Chevy probably couldn't afford to stand it up and get it the door earlier, what with the cost of the launches of the Traverse, Camaro, and Equinox within the next 2 years for NA..

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Then why by the "American Revolution" brand? If it it's not American it makes it much less of a valid choice overa foreign car.

Personaly I think these cute two word descriptions for a brand are a mistake. Just build a good car at a great price and forget all this branding stuff. Otherwide your American Revolution Chevy will look like this:

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and your Pontiac wide track performance car will look like this:

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That's just the US marketing slogan...in Europe, it's more of the Korean Revolution brand.

My point is that why bother to by "American" if the American car looks Japanese/Eruopean/American. Especially since Chevy's long been promoted as being distinctly American.

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My point is that why bother to by "American" if the American car looks Japanese/Eruopean/American. Especially since Chevy's long been promoted as being distinctly American.

Well, they are trying for a world car....look at the original Focus..it was a world car, didn't look distinctly 'American', but did well here..

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Maybe its not as bad as I thought from the side. The rear still reminds be of the old Malibu with the huge chrome bar though

http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-content/plu...idg=1&idi=8

As far as American compact sedans, it won't be hard to be the best one ever as we haven't had good ones.

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After comparing the two, the new Kia subcompact has a better looking exterior than this Daewoo.

The side profile on the Cruze is nicer than the Forte, and the Cruze has a lot more character overall than the Forte. The front of the Cruze is a bit of a mish-mash though.

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How do you figure?

I wonder if Pontiac will get a version though (at least for Canada)...

Well, it is the modern equivalent of the J-car. The J-car was a world car, sold in different brands, different names, different bodystyles in many markets. This car, though, will have the same styling and name in more markets than the J did, though.

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hey grif, a serious question for a moment.

How much does it really cost OEM's for platform development. Cause your suggestion that a brand new Cobalt would cost $5B to develop sounds, to me at least, to be a touch higher than I would have expected. Perhaps you can shed some light that. It might give the readership a better appreciation of the costs that OEM's, like GM, face from a business point of view.

(I mean, if a brand new Cobalt, which would draw from existing platform experience were to cost $5B, I have to belive that Alpha would have to be greater than that!)

I meant ten times more than $150 million. The rest is spent on tooling and preparing the plant. More money will be spent on plant and tooling elsewhere.

A new unibody vehicle, including new architecture, that will meet standard American and European safety standards will cost $1billion, or more (Commodore cost a billion, and so did the Mystique/Contour/Mondeo all those years ago). A second vehicle on the same platform is a lot less, and takes a lot less time to do (c 12 months instead of 5 years). Say $200 million, less for purely cosmetic changes, more for more substantial changes. Depending on price class, technology etc. it can still vary widely. You can, on the cheap get Porsche or Magna or another development company to do a new one on the cheap (say three new vehicles for $300 million), but you get what you pay for, i.e. zero stars in NCAP testing, and all the refinement of a kit car with an interior sourced from Home Depot. Tooling of course is on top of that and varies depending on the number of plants, the number of stamping sources, and how compatible it is with existing facilities. $350 million is about average for a new vehicle line, but can be a lot less for CKD facility.

It is a J-car, as long as you understand the body-designation has no connection with the architecture. It is in fact J300, succeeding the J200 Optra/Lacetti, and the J100 Nubira. Before that was Daewoo's version of the J-body Cavalier. The VIN-code however will probably switch to the Astra/Cobalt's A-body designation.

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