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Michael Moore Slams GM

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This is my first post here. I've been lurking for months now. Great Place. I work as a stock broker and this just came through as 'relevant' GM financial news on the wires.

GM is not perfect. Bush is not perfect. They both have many faults. I personally like them both. The REASONS that Moore gives for not liking either just makes me laugh for hours. In my opinion he does not have a logical bone in his body. Rarely do any of his arguments point to solid fact, but rather appeal only to flawed emotional misconceptions.







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Filmmaker Michael Moore Breaks Silence (Speaks out against GM plant closings and Bush Administration)
Tue Nov 22 17:37:22 2005 EST
FLINT, Mich., Nov 22, 2005 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ --
In his first interview in a year, Academy award winning filmmaker Michael Moore spoke out today on Supertalk1570 WWCK AM radio in Flint, Michigan. Appearing live on the Dave Barber Show, Moore blasted GM for their announcement of plant closings in the United States, including a factory in Moore's hometown of Flint, Michigan. "It's weirdly ironic that it's 19 years today, when I first thought of doing a film about General Motors," stated Moore. "Still after all these years GM continues this unfortunate behavior," he added. Moore believes the timing of the announcement, just before the holidays, was intended to "paralyze" the employees, so they could not "climb out of their depression" to fight back!
Moore went on to blame the current GM leadership for their claimed $4 billion revenue loss. Moore questioned, "Has any GM executive in the last 30 years even bothered to take a Honda or Toyota for a drive around the block?" Referencing the fact that maybe those in charge would realize the qualities consumers are looking for, in their foreign counterparts. "This arrogance and stupidity," Moore commented has led the company to near economic ruin. Moore went on to say, "General Motors leadership has turned the American dream into the American nightmare!"
Moore, who has refused all media interviews in recent months, appeared exclusively on the Dave Barber show, heard each weekday from 9:00 AM - Noon. Barber, a veteran news talker received a call from Moore just minutes before the impromptu live appearance. Moore, troubled by what has happened in Flint and other industrial areas, wanted to break his silence. Moore didn't stop with GM plant closings. He used this 60-minute radio appearance to also sharply criticize the Bush administration on a wide range of issues, particularly the war in Iraq. Moore made no apology for his controversial statements on Oscar night when he professed that the Bush administration had plunged the US into a "fictitious war." Moore continued his attack by calling President Bush "Embarrassing and frightening."
Dave Barber has three times been selected by Talkers Magazine as one of the counties Top 100 Talk Show Hosts. Even he was surprised by this last minute appearance from Moore. "When Michael walks in your studio, people tend to take notice," Barber said.
SOURCE Cumulus Broadcasting, Inc.
Dave Barber of Cumulus Broadcasting, Inc., +1-810-407-3283, or Barber1570@aol.com
http://www.prnewswire.com
Copyright © 2005 PR Newswire. All rights reserved.
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HAHA! "When Michael Moore walks in your studio, people tend to take notice" That's b/c the guy weighs like 400lbs. and is a slob...of course you're gonna notice him!
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One of the most worthless and bastardly characters to ever walk this Earth.
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So...this makes this guy's credibility like a two and a half now, right? I say that because he's only regurgitating what a thousand others have said for quite awhile now.
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Michael Moore is proof that with the right promotion you could make anyone famous. He beat Pair Hilton by a few years. Mr Moore is a fraud as he protrays himself and the common man though he lives in a multi million dollar penthouse in New York. It is fine to have money in my book but don't say your for the down and out and make a dollar off of supporting them. Just visit his back ground and see what kind of a person he really is. Drops out of seminary school because the seminary refused to let him watch a Detroit Tigers game. He dropped out of the University of Michigan because he could not find a parking place one morning. He once worked for a auto plant in Flint and called off on his first day of work and never returned. He is a very good example of what is going wrong in this country. If he fell off the map today we would all be better for it. Edited by hyperv6
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Just visit his back ground and see what kind of a person he really is.

Drops out of seminary school because the seminary refused to let him watch a Detroit Tigers game.

He dropped out of the University of Michigan because he could not find a parking place one morning.

He once worked for a auto plant in Flint and called off on his first day of work and never returned.

He is a very good example of what is going wrong in this country. If he fell off the map today we would all be better for it.

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Wow. Is this all true? What a tool.

Now in fairness, I have never seen any of Moore's documentaries or read anything substantive from him but he comes across here as an attention whore and nothing more.
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Moore really gets me wound up. I wrote this on another board: "Okay - not a big John McCain fan. But I thought these words summed up Michael Moore pretty well (part of his address to the RNC in NYC - 2004): "Our choice wasn’t between a benign status quo and the bloodshed of war. It was between war and a graver threat. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Not our critics abroad. Not our political opponents. ***And certainly not a disingenuous film maker who would have us believe that Saddam’s Iraq was an oasis of peace when in fact it was a place of indescribable cruelty, torture chambers, mass graves and prisons that destroyed the lives of the small children held inside their walls.***" What was unfortunate about the delivery of McCain's remarks was that after he said the words, "disingenuous film maker", the entire audience errupted in laughter, applause, and cheering, then - as they located Moore in the audience (press box), jeering. Moore then playfully took a bow and smiled. Then people laughed. He took it all in jest. And it made McCain's remarks seem similarly in jest. As if they were some kind of playful jab. But McCain's sentence was cut mid-stream. Eventually, he was able to complete his thought (though minutes later). The rest of his sentence, "who would have us believe that Saddam’s Iraq was an oasis of peace when in fact it was a place of indescribable cruelty, torture chambers, mass graves and prisons that destroyed the lives of the small children held inside their walls" is HARD HITTING. I mean it's sad. Really sad. Destroying the lives of small children inside prison walls? That's tough stuff. It's true, though. The talk is of 300,000 dead. Of course the American-led war has not only alleviated the suffering of Saddam's cruelly-tortured populace, it has in other ways added to their suffering. It's a complex issue. But the point is, Moore selectively portrayed pre-war Iraq as a place where children happily flew kites and rejoiced in their fatherland. The reality was Moore sinisterly glazed over Saddam's crimes. And, this is not morally right. I would rather Mr. Moore have used his talents to make a documentary about the small children dying behind Saddam's prison walls than to have ignored them entirely. Kind of reminds me of Walter Duranty, actually."
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Wow. Is this all true? What a tool.

Now in fairness, I have never seen any of Moore's documentaries or read anything substantive from him but he comes across here as an attention whore and nothing more.

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This info was from the new Book Mental Floss Forbidden Knowledge by Collins press.

You should see what Al Gore dropped out of.
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Don't know why... but the only phrase that come's to mind when I think about Michael Moore and from reading this is...


"stupid, fat, hobbit... "
-Gollum.



He deserves a punch in the gut, not for his political stance, but for taking crack's at GM. Whine and complain, whine and complain. Like GM owes you something... Fat hobbit, faT fAT HObbit....., not making any sense because of his height, but I'll continue calling him that till the end of his days....
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First off: Variance, love the new Avatar. Second: Hypothetically speaking, if I backed over M. Moore with my Coupe Deville and then accidentaly jamed an icepick into his throat to make sure he was dead (I mean, uh... to check his pulse, yeah that's it) do you think I would get arrested or would the cops just tell me to drive straight home and wash the blood off my hands while they drop the body off the bridge? Just a hypothetical question.
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You mean... he's still alive?!?!?!? That surprises me being that he's a f**king retard.

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I was thinking the same thing..... :lol:
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Now. I wouldn't go that far. Interesting. What does he suggest GM to do instead of closing plants? Absolutely nothing. He just whines and complains and pretends to care about blue collar workers and offers no solution to GM's problems. That's because he has no clue what he's talking about. He's a joke. Michael Moore pretends to care about the people that he makes his "Documentaries" about but all he does care about is making a name for himself and making money to feed his fat face. He does not care about this country. He cares about himself.
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Don't know why... but the only phrase that come's to mind when I think about Michael Moore and from reading this is...
"stupid, fat, hobbit... "
-Gollum.
He deserves a punch in the gut, not for his political stance, but for taking crack's at GM. Whine and complain, whine and complain. Like GM owes you something... Fat hobbit, faT fAT HObbit....., not making any sense because of his height, but I'll continue calling him that till the end of his days....

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Actually I heard Michael Moore is 6'1". So he's not just a fat bastard, he's a rather large fat bastard. :lol:

The upper middle class, liberal Volvo drivers who buy up Michael Moore's works don't really give a damn about the American factory worker, but reading or watching Moore's stuff makes them feel good about themselves. That's what it's all about. And Michael Moore, who was probably a big nerd back in his hometown of Flint, is something of a token blue-collar white guy in the fashionable parties of New York City.
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First off:

Variance, love the new Avatar.

Second:

Hypothetically speaking, if I backed over M. Moore with my Coupe Deville and then accidentaly jamed an icepick into his throat to make sure he was dead (I mean, uh... to check his pulse, yeah that's it) do you think I would get arrested or would the cops just tell me to drive straight home and wash the blood off my hands while they drop the body off the bridge?
Just a hypothetical question.

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If it went to trial and I was a juror, my conclusion would be not guilty.
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Michael-PINCO COMMIE-Morre! Thats just like him to KICK GM when their DOWN! Him and Ralph-CORVAIR KILLER-Nader are two of a-GM/CAPITALISM/REAL AMERICA HATEING-kind.
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Call me crazy or any other name people have associated Moore with...but the man has a point. OK OK don't shoot me. But lets be honest....General Motors has gotten themselves into this. WE all know how I feel about Unions, GM, management, etc but if you sit back and look at the overall spectrum of this......Management has GOT to understand what the market wants and needs. I'm not saying I oppose these cuts, because I don't. They are necessary, but we have all got to sit back, look at the bigger picture and demand changes amongst the white collar. At least shake things up Rick! I can't wait for the NAIAS. Not only will we be covering it :) But...it will give us all a time to take a breather from the negative news that is out and about and will shine a positive light on General Motors and it's employees.
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The upper middle class, liberal Volvo drivers who buy up Michael Moore's works don't really give a damn about the American factory worker, but reading or watching Moore's stuff makes them feel good about themselves.  That's what it's all about.  And Michael Moore, who was probably a big nerd back in his hometown of Flint, is something of a token blue-collar white guy in the fashionable parties of New York City.

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As one of those evil liberals, I have to say that I really do care about the American factory worker. Enough that I actively write my congressmen and women trying to force them to crack down on corporations that want to offsource freaking EVERYTHING so that American factory workers next jobs will be at McDonalds while the CEO's will be happily vacationing in Aspen.

I'll never understand why people make such a bit freaking deal about Michael Moore having his "million dollar apartment" in New York (this just in kids, that's the average median price in Manhattan) as being proof that he's an evil, out of touch liberal, but nobody ever takes Rush Limbaugh to task for his bazillion dollar Florida manse, or his penchant for checking into the Connaught in London to indulge his passion for illegal-in-America Cuban cigars.

Sorry- I love GM, and I am willing to cut them a lot of slack- I think the media is biased and doesn't cut them a break on a lot of stuff, but GM is also responsible for building some pretty crappy and out of touch cars for a long time. They refused to believe that the market had changed, and apparently surrounded themselves with enough people who blew sunshine up their collected a$$es for long enough for the Japanese to actually build good enough cars to take the market away from them. Even today, they take three steps forward and two steps back. They put out two products that show what they can do, then put out 6 others that look like focused-group snooze mobiles.

I've read a lot of people here on this board decry the evil, greedy unions for not wanting to take a 60% pay cut. Well, I don't now about you, but if I had to take that much of a hit on my income, I'd be homeless. The fact that Michael Moore made a documentary that chronicled just that history in Flint (or Columbine, or 9-11, which I've seen and does not state that Iraq was candyland, just mentions a few nasty truths, like they didn't attack us) makes him an evil uncaring lib, it makes him a documentary film-maker.

Oh, and as far as how caring and sharing GM upper management is, I'd be a whole hell of a lot more impressed with them if they said that all of them were willing to take a salary of $1 for this year and next (and no expense re-imbursment- no Steve Jobs-style free private aircraft or stock options) in the spirit of sharing the burden with the workers at the plants they're shutting down.

:angry:
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my local news tonight just had a piece tonight about 'what is an American car', where they basically said, well70% of your foreign cars are BUILT here. then they had the obviously liberal professor on who said to the effect of 'the future of american auto industry is toyota, honda, nissan'. it was by no means sympathetic of GM's looming job cuts...in fact, it was quite matter of fact about it. it did mention how the south is the new center of the US auto industry using new plants and non-union labor. They made no statement about how Ford or GM profit paths effect the US economy vs. funneling money to a Japanese company. No mention of currency manipulation and internal trade barriers in Japan. No mention of our companies long history and it being in jeopardy or the lives affected or the trade imbalances in the future. I'm convinced after that piece, GM is done, Ford likely too. The opinion pushers in the USA are simply going where the story creates the most drama and the US automakers are clearly on the wrong side of the coin right now. I'll try to post the link on this or some other topic, EVERYONE needs to see this piece. I guess then, as this relates to 'attention whores' (thanks, I love that term) like Michael Moore....it just sounds like he needed to get some publicity and he found the right tool to get it. I honestly haven't seen or read much about him other than that a lot of folks think he's a major ass. I put my notes together here to only say, to those who don't think the media perpetrates stereotypes.....this is a great example. Michael moore wants ON. he gets on. He says whatever he wants about GM to bludgeon them. He likely has no factual basis on anything, nor solutions on how to fix things. Just look at the open and clear path he has to further dig into GM. We didn't hear the other side of the story apparently. So, the public forms an opinion and bingo, things are now worse. the delphi saga and 30,000 jobs lost are major economical warning signs going off and the press is not even reporting that facet of it. the issues are union labor, health care, trade deficits, outsourcing, failure of American business...in addition to the consumer issues and how GM has failed as a carmaker. i dunno. i wish some place in the media would talk about the big deal this is. they are still piling on like the Enquirer wanting to break up Jen and Brad. this GM news is the tip of the iceberg. things could get real ugly here in the US real quick, yet all we see are guys like Michael Moore whining and feeding the ego.....and no discussion about what GM does contribute and how they are trying to stay afloat to keep from total collapse....and what value they bring to so many Americans. I am seeing nothing in the news yet in terms of analysis on what TOYOTA contributes to our economy, in comparison. Edited by regfootball
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As one of those evil liberals, I have to say that I really do care about the American factory worker.  Enough that I actively write my congressmen and women trying to force them to crack down on corporations that want to offsource freaking EVERYTHING so that American factory workers next jobs will be at McDonalds while the CEO's will be happily vacationing in Aspen.

I'll never understand why people make such a bit freaking deal about Michael Moore having his "million dollar apartment" in New York (this just in kids, that's the average median price in Manhattan) as being proof that he's an evil, out of touch liberal, but nobody ever takes Rush Limbaugh to task for his bazillion dollar Florida manse, or his penchant for checking into the Connaught in London to indulge his passion for illegal-in-America Cuban cigars.

Sorry- I love GM, and I am willing to cut them a lot of slack- I think the media is biased and doesn't cut them a break on a lot of stuff, but GM is also responsible for building some pretty crappy and out of touch cars for a long time.  They refused to believe that the market had changed, and apparently surrounded themselves with enough people who blew sunshine up their collected a$$es for long enough for the Japanese to actually build good enough cars to take the market away from them.  Even today, they take three steps forward and two steps back.  They put out two products that show what they can do, then put out 6 others that look like focused-group snooze mobiles.

I've read a lot of people here on this board decry the evil, greedy unions for not wanting to take a 60% pay cut.  Well, I don't now about you, but if I had to take that much of a hit on my income, I'd be homeless.  The fact that Michael Moore made a documentary that chronicled just that history in Flint (or Columbine, or 9-11, which I've seen and does not state that Iraq was candyland, just mentions a few nasty truths, like they didn't attack us) makes him an evil uncaring lib, it makes him a documentary film-maker.

Oh, and as far as how caring and sharing GM upper management is, I'd be a whole hell of a lot more impressed with them if they said that all of them were willing to take a salary of $1 for this year and next (and no expense re-imbursment- no Steve Jobs-style free private aircraft or stock options) in the spirit of sharing the burden with the workers at the plants they're shutting down.

:angry:

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i do think just recently Wagoner announced a large pay cut going forward for himself and some execs there. it was what,a amonth ago? it never got much press. Bill Ford works for free. bill doesn't wear makeup very well, in the commericals, BTW.
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...lets be honest....General Motors has gotten themselves into this. WE all know how I feel about Unions, GM, management, etc but if you sit back and look at the overall spectrum of this......Management has GOT to understand what the market wants and needs.

One cannot make blanket statements like moore does and expect to retain any credibility. "...gotten themselves into" what specifically? Consistancy also is a hallmark of integrity, and he doesn't have that, either.
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There is so much hatred here. Disagree with what he says if you will, but recognize that some of what he says has some truth value to it, and understands that he means well. Ditch the ad hominem attacks and orient your discussion to truth. If truth is on your side, your evidence should suffice. I personally have problems with some of what Michael Moore has done, for instance, I will never watch Fahrenheit 9/11 because I think it stygmatized the anti-war argument and polarized what should have been a broad and serious national debate. Yet, much of what he points out should make you think, as it contains a lot of truth and a lot of good. I guess my point is: nobody is perfect, and nobody is right or wrong on all the issues. So many people tend to treat Michael Moore as though he is all bad, and I think that is a great tragedy. Those people should be ashamed. -E.S. Mail
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