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Spoke w/Chevy Guy at LA Auto Show - Disturbing!

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bcarr22    0

Told him how Chevy's focus on horsepower was a welcome relief. Told him how the Z06 and TBSS gave me hope that car guys were still running things at GM. We started talking about the Camaro concept and I told him if they build it without watering down the design, meaning build it very near the concept, I'd put one in my garage.

His response was totally disturbing....

He said GM marketing is convinced they should write off buyers older than 40, since they won't be able to sell them many more cars anyway. He said GM Mktg believes younger buyers are only concerned with technology (bells and whistles) in their cars rather than horsepower and cubic inches.

He was *very* serious when he said he wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro came out V6/FWD only! I told him that would be a huge mistake and many of us would just write off GM. He said he understood, but they may not be counting on us for business anyway. He was adamant about the difference between working for Chevy and working for GM. Twovery different cultures.,

He urged me to go to www.chevy.com and give them 110% of my passion for their cars. It's still not too late to convince the corporate guys.

So, that's what we've all got to do. We've got to let GM know that we will buy their cars, provided they're great. Then we've got to tell them what we think a great car is.

BC

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mustang84    12

V6 FWD? After all the success the Mustang has had? That seems to be the most boneheaded decision GM could ever make...I find it hard to believe any truth to his statements. Seriously...I don't think GM would be that stupid.

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Flybrian    0

What Mustang said. Back in the late-80s when it was close to a reality? Sure, since everyone was going FWD then. But no, not today.

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pow    106

Kinda O-T, but at LAIAS, I noticed that GM's employment of local dealership salesmen was more blatant than that of other companies. Their scowl and sheer salesmenness was more threatening than the dedicated autoshow personell (if such a thing exists) of other brands. They weren't very classy, to say the least.

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Guest Josh   
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The "models" at the show know nothing. One of my customers is a drop dead gorgeous model for GM and she has told me first hand, GM tells them what to say etc.

My bet? This "Chevy guy" was going with what he had to say. Marketing told him to bolster Chevy.com and to get responses there. Nothing more, 'nor less. The Camaro will not be a FWD, V6 vehicle.

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Wow... :rotflmao:

I hear the Next Suburban wil be unibody and FWD too, and the next Corvette Z06 wil be powered by a Lexus DOHC V8 of undecided dispacement. :lol:

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RJB    0

Well if they came out with a Camaro like that GM might as well shut off the lights and close the door!! I don't think they want the option of shooting themselves in the foot right now, that would be total damnation to do that. What they need to do is speed up the process of introducing this car to market so the buzz does not go away too much.

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Newbiewar    1

with all you fokes in LA... you ought to give me some love at the dealership... come by and see me i'll show you my trans am... whatever shoot the $h!...

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bcarr22    0

My sign-up date is irrelevant. I'm not a shill here. Just a Chevy fan who would hate to see all the promise the new Camaro holds go up in V6/FWD smoke.

My first car was a '67 Camaro, 327, Powerglide. Loved that car and wish I still had it.

The Chevy guy was wearing a suit and had a Chevrolet name badge on. He was hunched over a computer at the desk when I approached him. He wasn't a car salesman. He was definitely farther up the food chain than that. (No offense to any car salesmen reading this.)

The guy stressed that V6/FWD would be a GM decision and not a Chevrolet choice. If it happened, it would be based on GM Marketing's research. I took that to mean focus groups, etc. He said the car guys at Chevy want to remake a muscle car in the Camaro. He said there is already a movement within GM to emasculate the Camaro before it even gets here. Stillborn is more like it.

Yes, he did try to get me to voice my opinion at chevy.com. But he said not to bother if I didn't care if they build the car or not. If we want to see the car built, we have to convince them to build it as it is.

Hey, I'm just trying to help. If you don't want to believe it, it's no sweat off my @$$.

BC

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bcarr22    0

Oh, yeah.

We talked about the success of the Mustang. He talked about how they have "every flavor from V6 to GT and Chevy would prefer to do the same." But GM calls the shots and they're *very* cautious about leaking any more cash. Nobody is ready to stake their career on the success of any new car.

Bottom line: Chevy's "car guy culture" wants to build the car (maybe even a Z28 derivative), but GM holds the purse strings.

Did you see that Kerkorian's mouthpiece said GM burns up $24M PER DAY!

BC

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Chazman    1

The guy stressed that V6/FWD would be a GM decision and not a Chevrolet choice.  If it happened, it would be based on GM Marketing's research.  I took that to mean focus groups, etc.  He said the car guys at Chevy want to remake a muscle car in the Camaro.  He said there is already a movement within GM to emasculate the Camaro before it even gets here.  Stillborn is more like it. 

Forget that guy. He's a nitwit.

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Newbiewar    1

My sign-up date is irrelevant. I'm not a shill here.  Just a Chevy fan who would hate to see all the promise the new Camaro holds go up in V6/FWD smoke. 

My first car was a '67 Camaro, 327, Powerglide.  Loved that car and wish I still had it.

The Chevy guy was wearing a suit and had a Chevrolet name badge on.  He was hunched over a computer at the desk when I approached him.  He wasn't a car salesman.  He was definitely farther up the food chain than that.  (No offense to any car salesmen reading this.) 

The guy stressed that V6/FWD would be a GM decision and not a Chevrolet choice.  If it happened, it would be based on GM Marketing's research.  I took that to mean focus groups, etc.  He said the car guys at Chevy want to remake a muscle car in the Camaro.  He said there is already a movement within GM to emasculate the Camaro before it even gets here.  Stillborn is more like it. 

Yes, he did try to get me to voice my opinion at chevy.com.  But he said not to bother if I didn't care if they build the car or not.  If we want to see the car built, we have to convince them to build it as it is.

Hey, I'm just trying to help.  If you don't want to believe it, it's no sweat off my @$$.

BC

Oh, yeah. 

We talked about the success of the Mustang.  He talked about how they have "every flavor from V6 to GT and Chevy would prefer to do the same."  But GM calls the shots and they're *very* cautious about leaking any more cash.  Nobody is ready to stake their career on the success of any new car.

Bottom line:  Chevy's "car guy culture" wants to build the car (maybe even a Z28 derivative), but GM holds the purse strings.

Did you see that Kerkorian's mouthpiece said GM burns up $24M PER DAY!

BC

no offense taken, i'm one of those lowsy salesmen that everyone dispises... haha i'm about the most no pressure salesman there is... lol if my managers knew what i told customers i'd be fired for sure :P

yea GM does probably burn 24 million per day... but if uaw went on strike... GM will lose about 1 billion per day...

so with that aspect... 24 million doesnt look so bad...

sooo when hearing the camaro concept cost gm cost gm 15 million... in GM time, thats a half days worth of work...

i wouldnt let focus groups worry lutz...

he's got his mind set... they would have made the solstice fwd and pink if they listened to focus groups...

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bcarr22    0

Cost of the Concept is immaterial. GM could pay for the entire development before lunch, no doubt.

But actually *building* the car is another story. It's exponentially more expensive than a concept. Now you're talking billions. Now you're talking about commiting to a path when you've got limited money and you're in the middle of a minefield.

Just look at how GM derailed development of a RWD platform so they could focus on bringing their newly updated SUVs (Tahoe/Suburban) to market. Historically, these have been really profitable vehicles for GM.

How were they to know that gas prices would surpass $3/ga.? It remains to be seen if GM made the right choice there. Only time will tell.

Given GM's current financial predicament, nobody wants to stake their career on the development of a single car. Veddy sceddy.

BC

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Petra    0

We talked about the success of the Mustang.  He talked about how they have "every flavor from V6 to GT and Chevy would prefer to do the same."

This I don't get. I mean, it's not as though GM has a shortage of competitive engines in their parts bin. In fact, GM has just come out with a slew of all-new or much-improved powertrains: The 3.9L. V6, the 2.8L. V6 (turbocharged in SAABs), the 3.6L. Cadillac V6. In V8 territory, there are the new and improved truck engines of various displacements, the improved small block, and the 6.0L. Corvette motor. Furthermore, at least half of these engines (and all of the V6's!) can already be had for a Manual transmission. So, if you ask me, the thought that Chevy doesn't have "every flavour" of powertrain is a complete and total cop-out.

I do agree, though, that if you love the Camaro, you need to let GM know @ chevy.com. Sorry C&G, but those are really the only responses they're going to pay attention to.

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NOS2006    11

lmao It's funny that you guys are even putting serious thought into this!

Obviously the guy was either mentally challenged or he was trying to flare your emotions to e-mail GM to produce this.

The concept was a V8 RWD car. :lol:

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z28luvr01    170

What Mustang said. Back in the late-80s when it was close to a reality? Sure, since everyone was going FWD then. But no, not today.

And when word leaked about the GM-80 FWD Camaro, enthusiasts went nuts. Think about how much worse it'll be this time around, with Camaro enthusiasts not having a Camaro for four years and counting. Yeah, what mustang84 said, GM is not that stupid.

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jry    0

seriously pulling of some leg here.

i asked someone at one of the displays about AWD and they almost didn't know what it meant. had to get a product specialist who, in turn, had to call a factory person on his cell phone.

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samuel    0

My sign-up date is irrelevant. I'm not a shill here.  Just a Chevy fan who would hate to see all the promise the new Camaro holds go up in V6/FWD smoke. 

My first car was a '67 Camaro, 327, Powerglide.  Loved that car and wish I still had it.

The Chevy guy was wearing a suit and had a Chevrolet name badge on.  He was hunched over a computer at the desk when I approached him.  He wasn't a car salesman.  He was definitely farther up the food chain than that.  (No offense to any car salesmen reading this.) 

The guy stressed that V6/FWD would be a GM decision and not a Chevrolet choice.  If it happened, it would be based on GM Marketing's research.  I took that to mean focus groups, etc.  He said the car guys at Chevy want to remake a muscle car in the Camaro.  He said there is already a movement within GM to emasculate the Camaro before it even gets here.  Stillborn is more like it. 

Yes, he did try to get me to voice my opinion at chevy.com.  But he said not to bother if I didn't care if they build the car or not.  If we want to see the car built, we have to convince them to build it as it is.

Hey, I'm just trying to help.  If you don't want to believe it, it's no sweat off my @$$.

BC

I think the point is that whoever you talked to was full of it. It's the same thing as "my buddy works at a dealership and he said....". I would not imagine that some guy working the chevy stand for GM really had a clue what was going on at a high level within GM.

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sciguy_0504    0

I can't even imagine what would happen if GM actually put out a FWD Camaro. I really hope it's not true but you never know with GM. We all know how good its marketing is! :unsure:

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And when word leaked about the GM-80 FWD Camaro, enthusiasts went nuts. Think about how much worse it'll be this time around, with Camaro enthusiasts not having a Camaro for four years and counting. Yeah, what mustang84 said, GM is not that stupid.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Didn't that turn out to be the Beretta IROC or Z26?

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mphmag    0

Guys,

forget this thread. Regardless of the future of the camaro this platform is heading straight for OZ and holden. A land that lives with RWD 24/7.

Holden needs a new platform. That is how GM will afford the Camaro here.

Easy enough.

If gas prices throw things off that's a different story. but the Holdens still need their new platform to simply exist.

This thread is just silly.

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fbodfather    0

Simply NOT TRUE.........

To whomever talked to the person at the Chevy Exhibit at Los Angeles.....I'd like a description of the person that said that.......hopefully you remember his name (as all Chevy Product Specialists wear name tags.....)

I can assure you that if indeed this was said, I need to have words with this person because it simply is NOT TRUE.

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Ghost Dog    1

Simply NOT TRUE.........

To whomever talked to the person at the Chevy Exhibit at Los Angeles.....I'd like a description of the person that said that.......hopefully you remember his name (as all Chevy Product Specialists wear name tags.....)

I can assure you that if indeed this was said, I need to have words with this person because it simply is NOT TRUE.

Eeek! Somebody may end up sleeping with the Fishes!

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